Boston, Detroit, and "Adam's Ribs"
There's an episode of M*A*S*H* called "Adam's Ribs," in which Hawkeye is subjected to the same two choices for meals for 10 straight days. On the tenth day, he snaps violently (but comically, of course), and starts leading the entire mess tent in the chant "WE WANT SOMETHING ELSE! WE WANT SOMETHING ELSE!"
I mention this because two weeks ago, after lousy weather kept me in "beautiful" Nashua, New Hampshire on a Thursday night, I drove (or, more accurately, raced) down to Boston to catch a Bruins game at TD Banknorth Center.
By luck, it was the Habs in town, so the crowd had enough red white and blue in it to keep it honest. But I'm here to tell you something, folks, after spending two hours at the rink (the racing didn't help: I got there 10 minutes into the first). And allow me to be as polite and kind as possible as I say this, and know that I mean no disrespect.
Red Wings games suck.
No, I'm wrong. To borrow a line from Bart Simpson, "I didn't think it was physically possible, but it both sucks *and* blows."
I cannot remember the last time I paid for Red Wings tickets (though I've gone using other people's tickets). And after going to the Bruins game, I can't think of a reason I'd pay for them again.
So...why?
Joe Louis Arena: I could spend a much longer time explaining how the poor Joe has managed to skip the "treasured old barn" stage and gone directly to "horribly outdated smelly municipal facility." But I'll pick just one topic.
My seat for the Bruins/Habs game were on the club level ($110). TDBNG (I'm sorry: the only building worthy of just being called 'The Garden' was demolished in 1997) has three concourse levels. The game did not have a dramatic ending (you knew who was gonna win with five minutes to go), so there was no mass rush out of the building. And yet, as I walked out of my seats, at no point did I break a reasonable walking pace except on the escalator down.
Think right now about the last time you went to a game at Joe Louis. That concourse can barely handle the original capacity of around 19,000. Now put such things as statues and Little Caesar Crazy Bread stands and other crap in the middle of it, and I double dog dare you to leave your seat at the end of a game and *not* be stuck in pedestrian traffic, even before you hit the gerbil tubes.
The fans: Admittedly, it was for a division game against the Habs, but you know what? That building was into it. It was into it for a full 60 minutes (I'll assume they didn't wait for me to show up). A loud, boisterous, pumped full of energy crowd.
And it was a smart crowd, too. They applauded good play that doesn't make the highlight reel. I sat next to a couple of long-time Bruins fans and struck up a conversation, and they were talking about how the team had been doing, and actually had followed the Wings as well. For a team that they would see once, they knew about some of the line shifts that Mike Babcock had been dealing with (more so than even I did with my travel).
With Montreal in town, there was even that sense of edge that makes a game feel extra special. You don't like the other team's fans, but at the end of the night, you'd buy 'em a beer anyway.
Finally, there were the fans in the top two rows of Section 307. They were standing. They were yelling. They were chanting. You were so glad not to be in front of them, but you were also so glad to have that energy in the rink.
The in-game entertainment: Yes, they have Ice Girls. Yes, they have a mascot of some dopey kind. What they also have is a video board and presentation that looks absolutely incredible. Ribbon displays around the front of the "balcony" level. Two more ribbon displays around the overhead scoreboard. Four high-definition display boards over center ice. Out of town scores constantly displayed (someone want to drop a memo to Mike that no other arena keeps a broken piece of technology in the building?). A great mix of music, most of which came from after 2000.
But, for no other reason, the game presentation rocked because of their second-intermission game. I want to share this with you, and it should immediately be stolen and replace Score-O in every rink on the continent.
Two contestants. Each stands on one corner face-off circle. Three pucks.
The object is to shoot the pucks into the opposite corner face-off circle. They don't have to land on the dot itself...just stop anywhere in the circle.
When they announced it, I thought (and you can picture the line from Monty Python And The Holy Grail), "THAT'S EASY!"
After the first one, I realized how difficult of a task this was.
After six shots, not one finished in the opposite faceoff circle.
Really: we've seen Score-O since the first one required shooting frozen dinosaur poop between two rocks. It's time to tuck it into bed nicely, then smother it with another pillow.
The fight: Milan Lucic and Michael Komisarek dropped gloves in the third period. Watch the fight below.
When they went, that building exploded! When Lucic was motioning to the crowd after taking down Komisarek, oh, man...it's why we love the sport. And that building stayed buzzing for a good five minutes of real time afterwards. And they kept showing the highlights of it during media timeouts, and every time, the crowd came back to life.
Compare that to four nights later, when Darren McCarty and Zack Stortini went at it.
Lemme tell you (and this is no disrespect to McCarty, who hasn't had to buy a meal in this town since 1996): it's not the same. Not even close.
In fact, as I was doing research, take a look at this video. In particular, the first 13 seconds:
Note the scoreboard. Note the ads over the entrances. Other than replacing the video wall, nothing in that building has changed in 12 years! The only things that would tell you that this video wasn't from 2008: Gary Thorne's voice, ESPN's graphics, and Steve Yzerman taking the faceoff.
Four bonus reasons:
The cool hats the security people wear.
An actual sense of not just Bruins and Celts history, but Red Sox and Pats history as well.
Hot dog "buns" that are actually just weirdly cut bread.
Now, here's the dirty little secret that I've actually known for years, but I'm going to share it with you.
Olympia doesn't care.
Really. They don't care. They have a history of not caring (if you think this is a flaming post, ask me what I think of what Illitch did to Tiger Stadium, but hide the flammables beforehand). And I'd like to say that not going to the games will encourage them to somehow care, but it won't. Remember: these are the people who have guaranteed that you will not see an over-the-air regular season game unless it's on NBC or CBC for the next nine years. Don't have cable? Too bad! Good luck picking up the signal on 97.1.
The fact that the phrase "Hockeytown" is still painted on that rink just shows how clueless they are.
The fans deserve better. They should have something else.
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Remember: these are the people who have guaranteed that you will not see an over-the-air regular season game unless it’s on NBC or CBC for the next nine years.
Whoa, I didn’t know this. How have they done that?
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
by PPP on Nov 27, 2008 3:12 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It was announced earlier this year that Fox Sports Detroit signed a ten-year deal to be the exclusive local broadcaster for not just the Red Wings, but the Tigers and Pistons as well. So unless the game is picked up by NBC/CBC, FOX, or ABC (respectively), if you don’t get cable, you don’t get squat.
As for how the offer went down: in the immortal words of one Herschel Krustofski, “They drove a dump truck full of money up to my house. I’m not made of stone!”
by joehass on Nov 28, 2008 7:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s brutal. What’s the coverage range for FSN Detroit? The Leafs have been sneaking more games on LeafsTV lately which means that you have to live in their broadcast region to see the games or buy the online service or you can go to a Cineplex to watch it. Needless to say fans aren’t happy with that.
Pension Plan Puppets: A Toronto Maple Leafs blog and a group therapy session.
by PPP on Nov 28, 2008 9:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe it’s very good: covering most of Michigan, plus parts of northern Ohio.
by joehass on Nov 29, 2008 10:27 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
“Red Wings games suck” …Christy, how can you let someone (who is actually the WIM editor, pretty strange choice if you ask me) post an article like that on your blog??? hopefully Bill from Abel to Yzerman took care of it in a sweet way :))
by yannick on Nov 29, 2008 9:31 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the comment.
Yannick- Thanks for stopping by and leaving a comment on WIM.
Joe isn’t saying that the Wings suck or the Wings fans suck, he’s giving his own opinion on the atmosphere at the Joe in comparison to another one. Although, he did go see a Bruins-Canadiens game, which isn’t a fair comparison to let’s say the Wings-Blue Jackets. The games against Toronto and Montreal at the Joe were pretty fun and loud crowds this season. :) Plus, the crowd at the Joe in the mid-1990s before we won the Cup in ‘97 and even right after was ridiculous. My dad remembers going and his ears were just ringing after the game because of the crowd noise. I think when you compare the Joe crowd to crowds where teams are Cup-hungry because they haven’t won in decades, you’re going to see a difference and it’s kind of hard to fault the Wings on that just because they’ve been consistently successful for so long.
I don’t think most people will argue with the view that the crowd at the Joe is not what it used to be. After winning for so long, fans only stand for a fight or a goal and the cheering isn’t the same as that you’d get at let’s say Yost Ice Arena (yes, I realize college hockey is a different breed). But I do not agree with everything Joe blogs about nor does he agree with everything I say, a blog is all about opinion and Joe merely gave his. FYI, editor = blogger.
I do agree that Wings fans are not the rowdiest group of fans in the arenas across the NHL, but I think we’re smart, knowledgeable, and we do love our team even if the crowd at the Joe doesn’t necessarily show it all the time. However, I love that the Wings don’t have Ice Girls or a mascot. We’re an Original 6 team. We don’t need those marketing ploys to get butts in the seat. People come because of the strong product we put out on the ice every night.
If I had to pick the Joe or a new arena, I would choose getting a new arena. But I’d be sad to see the Joe go especially with all the history we’ve made over the last 30 years. 4 Stanley Cups. Yzerman Jersey Retirement Ceremony. It will be a sad day.
by Christy on Nov 30, 2008 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And to be clear, Christy: the mention of the Ice Girls and Mascot was done in derision.
I’d hesitate with the bravado of the Original Six mentality. I harken it to new Cubs fans who have only known a Wrigley Field as a tough ticket: it was only 10 years ago that, outside of the Cards and White Sox games, you could walk up to the box office and get two great seats 20 minutes before first pitch. During the Dead Wings era, you couldn’t get 12,000 for a Wings game (“What time does the game start?” “What time can you get here?”). The Wings over the past two years have made it abundantly clear that their focus is on the higher-end fans (with the opening of the Legends Club and the ticket price increase). I could easily see that building becoming emptier and emptier in the next few years unless they make adjustments in their lower-end ticket prices.
by joehass on Dec 1, 2008 9:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yannick: nice job of stripping four words out of 1,266 and using that against me.
Allow me to clarify that I love the Wings, but that the atmosphere of Wings home games is tantamount to a neutral site. And (this borders on another post) I think the fact that going to Red Wings games are tedious will come back to bite the Wings in the future as the next generation of potential hockey fans think of Wings games as bland as plain yogurt.
by joehass on Nov 29, 2008 5:13 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
i could have picked up a bit more than 4 words sadly… personally, i am just a european fan of the Wings for a bit more than 10 years, so never been at the Joe or any of the US rinks, but it does shock me when i read a post like that from someone who is a Red Wings fan… you could make a point of “modernizing” the arena without throwing in stupid things about the the wings fans and Mc Carty (remember his SC goal in 97?). And from what i read, lot of people like the old rink atmosphere of the Joe, and i personally have the same feeling on this topic, if i compare for example the modern Sazka arena of Prague (in Czech Republic where i’m living and where the Rangers – Lightnings games were played at the beginning of the season) and the old hockey arena in Brno, the old one is ten time better in my opinion. But no hard feeling, and at the moment the Wings are losing 3-0 at your nice Boston rink of yours so i do like this arena at all ;)
by yannick on Nov 29, 2008 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But the catch, Yannick, is that the fans are extremely apathetic in that arena now. I agree that they’re still a pretty smart group, but when it comes to the energy in that building, there is none. They cheer when the display tells them to cheer, but when it stops, they stop. I was at the Wings/Rangers game earlier this year: a real barn burner, an Original Six matchup, on a Saturday night, but the atmosphere at the Bruins game was better by a country mile. And that has to do not just with the physical plant of the building, but the feeling and atmosphere in the rink as well.
There’s an analogy that you probably won’t get if you’re not from around here, but it’s not unlike what it was like going to a Lions game in the 90s. The Lions played at the Pontiac Silverdome, a behemoth north of Detroit that had the charm of a hospital operating room. The building was owned by the city of Pontiac; the Lions were effectively leasees. In the last 10 years the Lions played there, the city put absolutely no money into the building. There was no effort to modernize or improve it. And that’s exactly what’s happening here.
by joehass on Nov 29, 2008 8:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Thank you for your answers & comments Christy and Joe. I personally do not agree that a new arena will automatically give the fans something to cheer about. For me, all the atmosphere in an arena is linked to the team you support so it does not matter if you are seated on a comfortable armchair or a wooden bench. Christy, i think you get a point about a team who is improving vs a team who is successfull for a long time (it´s probably why there is such a buzz in Boston at the moment, as basically their team was under-average since the Joe Thornton trade and they now get a pretty good team leading the East). Concerning the Wings, the current team is arguably the best you can get within the cap, so it is pure joy to watch them skate (they do seem to fly sometimes…) and make plays, so i think we are pretty lucky to be fans of such a team (even if obviously there are always things to improve -defense & goaltending come to mind, dunno why ;))
by yannick on Dec 1, 2008 6:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yannick: you’re absolutely right that there’s no correlation between the success of a team and the atmosphere at its facility (see Wrigley Field). And I agree that simply swapping out facilities does not guarantee any sort of improvement (see Ford Field). The Red Wings are, IMHO, one of the best teams in the Big Four over the past five years, and that’s one of the reasons I love ’em (and am planning to drop a significant amount of cash to go to Wrigley Field in a month).
And I agree with Christy: thanks for writing!
by joehass on Dec 1, 2008 8:51 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

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