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Game 3 Analysis and Reaction

Let's start with the big question shall we?

Everyone by now has seen the hit. The rumblings over the legality of it are all over. If you're a 'Hawks fan, you hate to see Havlat get knocked out like that. if you're a Wings fan, you hate to see Kronwall get kicked out like that. Shoulder meets head, feet leave ground after impact--that's as simple as it is. Havlat keeps his head up and we're not even talking about this right now. The guys over at Abel to Yzerman have the best shot of the hit:

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I don't know how to put it much better than the picture does so I'm gonna leave this one at this and move on. Unless there's a suspension, you won't see much else from me on this; and if there is a suspension you're going to see a lot more of it because that's ridiculous.

The next item up for discussion is how bad both teams played. In my opinion, it didn't look like we were watching two teams competing for a spot in the Stanley Cup Finals. None of the goals were really that memorable, or that skillful really, until Sharp's overtime goal. The chances on goal were pretty ordinary and in my opinion, the game was really only exciting after the Kronwall hit and when the Wings made their second period run. The third period was pretty dull and OT was a stinker.Hopefully for all of us, Wings and Hawks fans, Game 4 will be more exciting and active.

Both goalies looked pretty average and one was even pulled. And for those claiming that Huet "saved the Blackhawks' season"...give me a break. The guy faced 6 shots and maybe only 1 was a real threat to go in. Patrick Sharp saved the Blackhawks' season if anything. Ozzie gave up as many goals last night as he had all series, not good. Khabibulin looked like he solidified everyone's thoughts that he was sick as two of the three he gave up were stoppable.

The Wings surely missed Pavel Datsyuk in the game last night. It wasn't just his scoring threat but also what he does defensively and in the faceoff circle. Chicago won 55% and although I can't say for sure if Pavel would have been out there on those shifts, 3 of the 4 goals came off of shots from the point that he is pretty good at pressuring the shooter on. Hopefully he'll be back for Game 4 and at the latest the Game 5 we already know is happening in Detroit.

That's it for now. Rest up and relax because tomorrow's game will be intense.

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Mediocre Play

I’m glad I’m not the only one thinking this way. I’ve been exasperated with the Wings game this entire series. This is not Red Wing hockey, and to be honest it’s fortunate we’re up 2-1. Detroit has played Chicago well, but this series (and last night in particular) have been so far from our ability that I don’t know what to say at this point. We can’t keep playing mediocre hockey and expect to win the Cup, or even this series. Babcock looked thoroughly upset in the post-game last night, and it wasn’t only because of the ludicrous officiating in the first.

Here’s hoping the Wings finally show up tomorrow.

by Brobz on May 23, 2009 3:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Wings don't show up in the 1st period

When they do, watch out, but to date they seem to not start playing until the 2nd or 3rd period and luckily Osgood has been great to keep them in a number of games.

In terms of the hit on Havlat I thought the bigger concern was with Byfuglien throwing Kronwall’s 189 lbs back onto Havlat as he was on the ice. Who knows what kind of additional damage he could have caused.

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by WpgMikos on May 23, 2009 4:25 PM CDT reply actions  

no goalie was pulled

Khabibulin was not pulled. he did not return for the third period because of an undisclosed injury.

there was speculation (just like Pavel) that he was injured heading into game 3.

by torpedo0126 on May 23, 2009 6:43 PM CDT reply actions  

The hit.

First, I want to say I am a Blackhawk fan, so you might just take my opinion as b.s. but I want to get my point across. For the most part I thought it was a clean hit, I was at the game last night and was very upset about the hit, even though I was the only one in my section who saw who was the one that got “absolutely Kronwalled” but sometimes that term isn’t always good because last year during the playoffs Kronwall had many hits that should have been penalized, and had the players got injured I’m sure suspensions would have been handed out. Look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_sHnm-tn7s . At number 5, arguable elbow. At number 4, he left his feet. Number 3, good clean hit. Number 2, if you cannot see that he jumped you are blind. Number 1, amazing clean good hit. And on top of that he doesn’t answer his hits. Although some of them are clean, some of them are not, and you cannot argue that every one of those hits are clean. Number 2 is just blatant. He does not answer his dirty hits with fights, I’ve seen millions of players going to ask him to fight after hits like the one on Havlat. There is a code in hockey, and Detroit does not seem to abide by it. The Cleary hit before the winter classic on Kane, was arguably a high hit. And you might argue against that but nonetheless you are making a huge hit on the team’s best player, and numerous players on the Hawks asked Cleary to fight, to answer his hit. And he didn’t. That is what I don’t understand about this team. I have all the respect in the world for them for how great they are, the front office and the players. How they draft player after player that plays perfectly into their system. It is a great team, but I lose a lot of that respect when a team doesn’t answer the code. And if you’re denying the code, then you’re denying NHL hockey.

I respect but hate Kronwall because he is a Redwing, and you may or may not respect him but I’m sure you hate Havlat because he is a Blackhawk. Players are going to be asking Kronwall to answer his hit, and if he drops the gloves, I will be very, very surprised.

by Kyle McGann on May 23, 2009 8:58 PM CDT reply actions  

fighting?

Are you kidding? I agree that there are too few fights by Red Wings: fan favs and fighters Darren McCarty and Aaron Downey haven’t played much this year. What do we have, a fight (if you can call it that) by Hossa and one by Ericcson, and a couple attempted fights by Lilja and Kopecky — the chosen Red Wings roster doesn’t include fighters. And Red Wings fans like fights as much as any other hockey fans, arguably more than some.

But checking does not, should not, and never has required a fight. In my opinion, there are very few cases where a fight is even acceptable as a result of a check, and never with non-fighters (look where that got us!). Checking is part of the game — moreso than fighting — and if a player takes offense and wants to fight right away, they probably shouldn’t be playing hockey.

by bleep bloop on May 23, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Okay.

In no way am I trying to disrespect Detroit fans when I’m saying this stuff, I want to hear your guy’s perspective because I’ve been thinking about it for a while.

bleep bloop: You don’t understand what I’m saying. There is a code in hockey fighting, you may not know about it because a lot of players don’t talk about it but there was a book written about it, and I suggest reading it. The main purpose of fighting in hockey (and one of the big reason it remains) is it is a way for players to police themselves.

When a big hit happens a person should answer for it if called upon. That is part of the code, especially if it was against a big time player. If Brian Campbell (only based on the hit he put on Umberger in the playoffs a couple years ago) delivered that hit on Zetterberg, you would think and want redemption expected in the form of a fight. And Brian Campbell did answer that hit that he put on Umberger when Umberger asked him to fight a season later. And in no way is Brian Campbell a fighter, or Umberger for that matter. And that monster hit Stuart put on Umberger in the first round, I’m sure Umberger will come knocking next year, and I’d like to see what happens. What I’m saying is, if clean, if dirty, there is a code in hockey that the Wings seem to avoid, and I don’t understand why they do. My biggest peeve is with the Kane hit. Again arguable, from one angle it looks like an eblow, from another it just looks like a high hit. I’m not saying Cleary should have been suspended, maybe penalized, but he did not answer the hit when called upon, and I’ve seen it on instances other than Cleary with your team.

In saying this I am not taking anything away from checking, For the most part I dislike the huge hit, then fight sequence we see almost every night in the NHL, because clean hits are apart of the game. But if a guy is injured like Havlat, or Kane, or go back to when Lemieux hit Draper there should be an answer. Lemieux didn’t answer right away (cowardly) but he eventually did fight McCarty again.

I understand that Kronwall is a big part of your defensive core, and I do not expect him to drop them here in the playoffs when the wings need him to be in the game, but next year I would like to see him drop the gloves, but in all of the catalogue over at hockeyfights.com there is not one fight from Niklas Kronwall.

This is from the inside cover of the aforementioned book about The Code:
Hockey is and always has been a sport steeped in a culture of violence. Players have learned, however, to navigate the escalating levels of physical contact by adhering to an honor system known simply as “the Code.” As mysterious as it is sacred, the Code is an unwritten set of rules—the bible of hockey sportsmanship, if you will—that has been handed down from generation to generation. Although the Code has been around since the game’s inception in Canada, it remains a taboo subject, so much so that many players are simply unwilling to talk about it publicly—until now, that is.
Author Ross Bernstein spent two years researching and conducting extensive interviews with a broad spectrum of players, and he was able to get them to talk freely about their most intimate feelings about fighting and retaliation. What he learned and shares in this book is truly fascinating. While some players relished opportunities to drop the gloves and others simply dreaded it, they all had one thing in common: they did it when they had to in order to protect themselves as well as their teammates. The Code features extensive quotes that detail everything from the legal and cultural issues between the North American players and their foreign counterparts to how the players are able to turn it off when they leave the arena and go home to their kids. Most importantly, this book reveals what really goes on between the players while the fights are on.

Hockey’s rules of engagement can be summarized in three categories: protection, intimidation, and retaliation. If one player challenges another player, that second player must answer the call and “show up” or else face the humiliation of being considered dirty, or even a coward. Worse yet, if that player refuses to right what was wronged and defend his actions, he risks having that incident escalate to a higher level, involving additional teammates. That is when the enforcers come off the bench to keep the peace, and that is also usually when the crowd goes wild. By the time two heavyweights drop the gloves, there may have been up to a dozen events between several different players that led up to that fight. That is all a part of the intricate matrix that makes up the Code. And this book will help to demystify that matrix for you.

I’m sorry if anyone is taking this as disrespect. I’m not here to say DETROIT SUCKS, or any b.s. like that, I respect you guys for your love for your team I just want to hear your perspective on this subject.

by Kyle McGann on May 24, 2009 2:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dated

I can’t make authoritative statements on “The Code” like that author who spent two years researching it did because — like the author — I’m not a hockey player. That excerpt seems largely feasible for hockey 30 years ago, though a quick web search makes me think “The Code” is largely sensationalism, especially considering Ross Bernstein’s other book “The Code: Baseball’s Unwritten Rules and its Ignore-at-Your-Own-Risk Code of Conduct” (spelled wrong on the author’s website). This seems like the author’s gimmick than anything else. That, or baseball is far more nefarious than I’d ever have thought…

by bleep bloop on May 24, 2009 5:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

disagree

I am also a Blackhawks fan

 and I have read the book your talking about. In my opinion it is a poorly written book that recycles the same loose thesis over and over again.

If ‘The Code’ were strictly followed then there would be no hitting in the NHL because supposedly any hit will be answered by a punch to the face.

Just because a player delivers a HARD hit does not mean he should have to drop the gloves. Why should he or she have to worry about getting punched if they played the game legally?

For the Kromwall hit…I don’t think Kromwall had ANY intent to injure Havlat. He just is a gritty hockey player trying to put some intimidation in and make a good play. Just a few points from my end to consider (pros AND cons)

-Havlat had his head down
-Kromwall left his feet AFTER the collision

-Havlat had not played the puck
-shoulder/forearm to the head

Now, I don’t know if a shoulder to the head constitutes a penalty, but I do know that the league is trying to eliminate plays like that.

by torpedo0126 on May 24, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

uhm...?

The “code” is for enforcers or fighters to abide by, not other players. Kronwall doesn’t fight, and he’s not an enforcer. I could understand if he was known throughout the league as a fighter (like McCarty or Aaron Downey) and he didn’t answer for his hits, but he’s not known for that. In fact, I can’t recall Kronwall ever really dropping the gloves against anybody.

Enforcers have a role on the team, which is to play physical and try to throw the other team off their game, which includes fighting, if necessary, to defend star players. Skilled players are out there to score goals. Checkers are out there to hit. I’ve played hockey, and I know exactly the point your trying to make, but trying to fight a non-fighter that lays a big hit is like trying to fight a goal scorer that lays a big hit… it’s not gonna happen.

The Wings are notorious for not fighting very much because they’re coached that way. They play between the whistles and leave the stuff after the whistle for the other team to be upset about, which is why you see teams take dumb retaliation penalties against the Wings. The Wings play for the score on the scoreboard, not who won the last fight or who hit who and needs to be repayed, which is why they’ve been so successful post-lockout. Not to mention the Wings are composed primarily of European talent, and they don’t play with the same mindset that North American players play with. They don’t run around looking for fights and looking for revenge on big hits… they play to win, it’s as simple as that.

by Swan3983 on May 24, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

sorry

I realized after posting I spelled Kronwall’s name wrong

by torpedo0126 on May 24, 2009 10:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Is it just me...

or does Kronwall remind anyone of the Vladinator, I haven’t seen such textbook checks, since the viscious precision of Konstantinov. I’m not quite sure he’s on the same playing level, but in time, I think he will….lovin it. I must admit, I was kinda sad to see Probert drop the puck in a ’Hawks uniform & sidin with them. The Bruise Bros. got me into hockey, back in the day. Of course, I guess, since they gave Chelli his #.

by LTownDown on May 24, 2009 3:14 PM CDT reply actions  

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