Time to break up the Eurotwins?
Are Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg getting the job done as a pair on the top line or does there need to be a change? In a team that has struggled to find offense this season, the question is more than reasonable to ask. As these two are both fan favorites, this could be a debate between fans throughout the next few weeks so why not start it right here?
This isn't an overreaction from the 6-0 loss at the hands of the Islanders that spawned this post, but just rather some musings and thoughts through my own head as to why the two are together on the top line. I understand you want to put your best foot forward but there's also needs to be a distribution of wealth so to speak. If Holmstrom or Franzen were in the line-up, I would have no problem with the Eurotwins being on the same line. But they're not. With that said, I think Henrik Zetterberg and Pavel Datsyuk need to be split up and here's why.
Datsyuk and Zetterberg are known to have great chemistry together but the times this year in which they've been paired on the same line, they've struggled to find that chemistry. For example, excluding the power play, Zetterberg has only scored one of his 10 goals on which Datsyuk assisted; and it was a secondary assist too. Datsyuk has only scored one of his 11 goals with a Zetterberg assist at even strength. Are these numbers a little skewed? By all means, yes. The two haven't been paired together all season long but in my mind it does still show that their chemistry just isn't working this year.
The solution? After the jump of course.
Call it Todd Bertuzzi if you want but in my mind its the selflessness to a fault that has somewhat doomed this pairing. Zetterberg has 10 goals and 22 helpers while Datsyuk has 11 and 23--nearly identical numbers and further indication that they are pass first. I've noticed several times where one player will defer to the other who will defer to the other until the scoring chance is lost. So what gives? With Marian Hossa in the line-up last year, Zetterberg and Datsyuk had the ability to pass to a guy that was trigger happy and it had huge success. But with that true sniper gone who will take the shots?
Datsyuk and Zetterberg of course. Splitting them up will make them the premium shooter on their respective lines. It's undeniable the amount of skill they have shooting the puck but when they try too often to make the perfect pass to set up a shot, the shots just don't end up happening. The teams around the league are onto the Wings style of play and the passing plays just aren't there that often this year.
Valtteri Filppula has proven that he's a very capable passer and shooter. Even more so, he's a great face-off guy and a true second line center. If you put Zetterberg on his line, there could be instant meshing. Zetterberg is more than okay with playing the wing position (I mean, look where he is right now) and Filppula actually has a better face-off percentage than Hank. On the Filppula line, Zetterberg would be the sniper of the line and there'd be no confusion over who is the finisher. Fil is a great set-up man, close to being as good as Datsyuk, and can set up Zetterberg for quality chances and as the top shooter on the line, he'd have more inclination to fire than dish.
Putting Zetterberg with Filppula would make the need for a player to be pushed to the top line. Why not Dan Cleary? He's as hot of a scorer as anyone right now and could bring some good balance to the top line until Holmstrom returns. Miller could stay on the second line and the bottom two lines would be the same too.
Proposed lines:
Bertuzzi-Datsyuk-Cleary
Zetterberg-Filppula-Miller
Draper-Helm-Eaves
May/Leino-Abdelkader-Maltby
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Theoretical Line Combos are Stupid
Mostly because I can’t do them. HA. Here’s my take….
Val Filppula is not a third line kind of guy. He’s absolutely a top six player on this team, and he has been for years, even though he’s been relegated to the third line, to keep Z and Pav both at the dot…
Let’s pretend everyone’s back in the lineup:
Franzen — Pavel — Holmstrom
Zetterberg — Filppula — Cleary
I know Bertuzzi isn’t on that list – and that’s because he doesn’t belong there. Anyone can net 12 goals in 45 games with Pavel, so imagine what Franzen can (continue to) do.
On that second line, Cleary’s in the corners digging it out and feeding. Z does likewise (the feeding), because he’s allergic to shooting this year.
I’d really like Miller to stick with the team, but it’s hard to find an appropriate place when everyone’s back (and these lines are my brain working, not necessarily appropriate matchups):
Franzen — Pavel — Holmstrom
Zetterberg — Filppula — Cleary
Miller — Williams — Bertuzzi
Draper — Helm — Eaves (have to keep this together)
Maltby / Leino
Abdelkader probably goes back to Grand Rapids
May goes anywhere but near my lineup
But we all know that it isn’t wise to assume everyone will be back at the same time. But, after March, it’s certainly possible.
by Michael Petrella on Jan 13, 2010 12:06 PM CST reply actions
agreed that Bert turns 3rd liner
And to be honest, he might have better numbers there. He’s more than capable of scoring, but I just don’t know if its against the top lines of every team anymore. Playing him on the third line against the third/fourth lines of other teams could make him more productive.
I think Franzen and Holmstrom are with Pav like you have it, gotta put them on the top line.
by Casey Richey on Jan 13, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
I really hope they keep the eaves helm and drapes line together
They have been great for us, they always play hard and know thier roles pretty well. plus i think eaves and helm have great potential, as may and maltby are pretty well done.
But what do you think they will do with leino and abby? abby maybe to GR, but what about leino, id like to see him traded, i think it would be better to keep guys like helm eaves and abby and let him go for something in return we could use
Split them up, Babs
Datsyuk and Zetterberg worked really well together when they were actually playing together, hm, let’s see, two years ago? I still don’t understand why Babcock broke them up last season when he seems not to like changing things that work.
So split them up for a season and expect them to start playing amazingly as soon as they are on the same line. Well, neither Datsyuk or Zetterberg are exactly on fire right now (most likely why they were put back together) and together or apart does not seem to matter much. Still, they can always find each other with the puck, which would be very handy if either of them could find the net with any consistency.
How long did it take for Bert-Pasha-Holma to start working? And after three games you’ve already decided Sasha-Pasha-* doesn’t work?
to me its more along the lines of they could be better if they were split up more so than that they weren’t working. Like i said tehy both pass a lot because they’re both selfless players but they rarely actually shoot because of their inclination to pass. I think if they’re both isolated as THE sniper on the line, they’d score more goals.
But agreed, splitting them up to begin with was a little dumb and expecting them to be back at top form without them working together in camp was not the smartest move by Uncle Mike
by Casey Richey on Jan 13, 2010 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
I’d heard a few people bring it up in the past week but I didn’t buy it. After last night I’m on board. It’s not that they aren’t scoring, it’s that they don’t even look dangerous.
We’ve seen tons of different line combinations this season, and Eaves/Helm/Draper is the only line that’s actually been a hit. I don’t hate the ideas posted above, but I’m still praying for Babcock to just mix everything up and try things that haven’t been tried before. Disperse the energy throughout the lineup
Abdelkader – Zetterberg – Bertuzzi
Leino – Datsyuk – Eaves
Helm – Filppula – Cleary
Miller – Draper – Maltby
Something like that. I spent very little time doing that, because the lines that Babcock has been spending a lot of time on just don’t work. Just try ANYTHING different, and pick and choose from there what’s working and what isn’t working. Obviously these lines don’t transfer to the powerplay, but clearly keeping scorers on scoring lines and checkers on checking lines isn’t working. Each like there has some skill, grit, and hustle. They look strange, but remember that one of Detroit’s most successful lines in the ‘90s featured Darren McCarty. These players can succeed when given a chance. I’d be willing to beat Eaves’ big shot could make him useful on Datsyuk’s line.
We Need Speed
I love the eaves-helm-draper line, but if you had the speed of helm up front with bert and datsyuk, he could start the rush on dump ins and help set up the snippers in bert and datsyuk in front. i like:
helm-datsyuk-bert
cleary-filppula-zetterberg
I like the idea of filppula feeding zetterberg and cleary cleaning up on rebounds down by the goal as well
this is a good idea
the only problem i have with it is that Bert is slow as molasses.
by Casey Richey on Jan 14, 2010 10:03 AM CST up reply actions

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