Don't Worry, (Happy will) be Happy
Jiri Hudler sucks so far. He's played 10 of Detroit's 12 games and has only 3 assists and a minus-6 rating. He plays on the Red Wings' 2nd power play unit and our PP sucks right now. The last two games, he's played in place of guys who had been on our PK unit and they've sucked in those games (7/10 effectiveness). For a guy that Babcock expected to score 70 points, he's on pace for about 20. My abacus tells me that number is a lot smaller and I trust my abacus, so that makes me angry. Everywhere Hudler goes, the Wings suck. Take him out of the equation and they're better.
If Jiri Hudler were a Roomba, the only areas of your carpet that would consistently stay clean are the low-traffic areas where there's not much dirt to begin with. Roomba Hudler would see carpet matted down by foot traffic and would turn around and bump into your coffee table seven more times. Justin Abdelkader in his place has been a Rug Doctor. You don't even use it in the quiet areas because it hurts to lug the damn thing around. You put it on the dirty spots and let it hit everything. It might leave things a sopping wet danger area for the next 24 hours, but it gets the job done. I don't need stupid metaphors to tell you this though. You've watched the last four games and you've seen what Abdelkader has done. Everywhere he goes, he leaves the place smelling lightly of citrus and sparkling like Edward Cullen's nipples.
So what to do with the $2.875 million Hudler who will never outplay anybody on our top two lines and isn't worth nine minutes he'll play with the fourth line if he's going to make our penalty killers suck? I mean, we can pretty well assume that, while he'll get better as he readjusts to the NHL surface and speed, he's a guy who just doesn't really fit in well enough anywhere. Hudler has never learned to backcheck and creates a fair portion of his points by cherry-picking in the neutral zone, which doesn't fit into the Wings' style of play. The question is whether we can afford to trade him.
Right off, I want to say I love Nick Lidstrom. I'd let him do things to me that I wouldn't let my wife do.* There's nothing I'd like to see more than Lidstrom raising his fifth Stanley Cup and second as Detroit's captain. I'll say it loud and clear that I'm willing to mortgage a bit of the Red Wings mid-term future if that will help make that happen. I don't think trading Hudler for draft picks is going to help Lidstrom raise the cup in the short run. Without trading him for picks, there's only a bit out there for talent in his price range, but we can't afford to take more salary. If you take out the strictly entry-level deals, here's a short list of players making less than Hudler:
Mikael Samuelsson
Tomas Fleischmann
David Perron
Every Islanders forward not named John Tavares
While Holland might be able to get a bite on that fourth item, he'd get laughed at by a bunch of GMs that aren't even on the same level as he is if he even bothered picking up the phone and offering Hudler for any one of these guys. If you're going to trade Hudler for a warm body, he's going to have to be either an unproven, a has-been, or another defensive guy. If you think you're frustrated with the play of Hudler after ten games back to get used to the NHL again, wait until we've got a guy who's played his whole life on the NHL surface sucking it up out there.
Finally, the scariest part is that the Red Wings are going to deal with injuries. While I'd like to think that guys like Eaves and Abdelkader can step into top-six spots if and when Franzen's hip flexor keeps him from doing the Electric Slide or Bertuzzi's spine prevents him from doing the Rockaway, the reality is that Hudler has more offensive talent than anybody left in the bottom half of Wings forwards, including Modano and Cleary. We can't just bench Hudler waiting for a spot to open up there among the five offensive forwards whose jobs he'd have to replace if they go down either. Hudler needs playing time. Trust me when I say that he doesn't suck as much as it seems. Just be patient with him.
* stop looking at me like that. I wouldn't let my wife throw lit firecrackers at me or drag me through a briar patch behind an ATV. Not everything has to be sexual, you know?
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This was great
Now I’m the one lowering my books to my mid region.
Agree completely
No one can say they’ve been happy with Happy so far, but to say that he’s never going to contribute is premature. We are exactly 1 month into the season, and the entire third line sucked balls so far this season.
I’ll tell you why people are ready to throw him out now, besides the obvious “his play has been awful” – they are still bitter about him leaving for the KHL. Our sense of loyalty and “family” was severely offended when Hudler dared to try and make more money in a different league getting more minutes and more opportunities. Whether he was right or wrong to do so is moot: he made the decision, and people have that in the back of their minds when they view Hudler.
If he’s sucking ass after another 10-20 games, then sit him down and get someone in there who will get the job done. But if the best coach in hockey thinks that Hudler is going to get it going, who are we to argue?
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You’re right Graham, and some people aren’t ever going to get over that, for whatever reason.
Also, when it comes to Huds, it’s all “What have you done for me lately?” Nobody cares that he put up 50+ points in his last NHL season, when he was far above average NHL quality. It’s all about who deserves to play this instant, whereas Babs is looking at a bigger picture.
Agreed completely
Hudler ran off to get to play for the guy from the DirecTV ads who owns a miniature giraffe. He spent a year getting paid in ruples and poon, so it’s a lot easier on a person’s psyche to cast him aside when he doesn’t play well than it is to lose patience with anybody else on the team. We can write him off because he started it.
by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 8, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
We can’t just bench Hudler? Isn’t that what we just did? Listen, I know Happy was a great youngster before he left and showed great promise. But what has he done since coming back other than decimate everything he touches? Right now, our top two lines are damn near untouchable. The fourth line was firing on all cylinders and outplaying a lot of teams’ #2 lines when it was Eaves-Helm-Miller. Abdelkader stepped in for Huds and immediately the third line starts playing apeshit, Our PP improved, too.
Hudler is a liability right now. Yes, if he is just having adjustment jitters, the only way to work them out is to play him but can we really afford that? Take a look at the Central right now. The way things are going this season, the 2011 Central Division could shape up to be the single greatest division of all time. In a division that is going to be this tough, how exactly does Hudler help Lidstrom win #5? He can’t play on the second line if Franzen or whomever goes down. That has to be Cleary. Hudler can play on the third line in place of Cleary then, but even there I think I would prefer to move Helm up (new Goat line, maybe? Abdelkader-Modano-Helm could be an interesting combo…) and slot Drapes in when he comes back.
I’m not saying Hudler is going to forever suck as if he were a goalie not named Roy in Colorado. All I’m saying is that the first 20 count just as much as the last 20 and if he’s hurting us (and right now, he definitely is), we need to look at other options. We have 14 forwards on the team right now and even the bottom 4 or 5 would be serviceable on 90% of the league’s third line. If we can get a prospect and a fourth rounder for Hudler, get his cap space off the books, and call up someone in case of injury, it wouldn’t be much worse than what we are dealing with now. Hell, I’m sure a quick run down the hallway for Holland could convince Malts to come back if we really needed a player (and Malts would cost a fraction what Hudler is costing us).
And I will fully acknowledge that some of this may be pent up frustration over him leaving the team (if you remember the posts when he came back, I continually said I’d rather he stayed in Russia). However, I really don’t think any bias there changes the fact that Hudler is playing like crap.
Yes, if he is just having adjustment jitters, the only way to work them out is to play him but can we really afford that?
Yes, yes we can. Look up and down our lineup and then up and down St. Louis’ lineup and then tell me which team is built to keep this pace up all season. Hudler needs the time to improve and, when he does, he’s going to be very good.
Really, the only time I’m worried about how every member on the team is doing is going into the playoffs. first 20, last 20, whatever. if Hudler’s back to his old self by mid-April, then it’s awesome. That’s part of why I’d also like to see Franzen sit down a bit right now. We know what he brings in the postseason and we know we’re good enough to make the postseason. Nothing is fucked yet.
by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 8, 2010 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed JJ. There are 70 games left in the regular season…we’re far from a point where anyone should be panicking. Hudler played more minutes in the KHL, but is the KHL as fast and talented as the NHL? That was rhetorical, because, well…we already know the answer. The point is, what the fuck is everybody getting their panties in a wod over Hudler for? We’re 12 games in. I swear, if we were 13-0-0 people would still be bitching about something. Let him adjust, it takes time. It really does, and if you don’t think so, watch more hockey because you’re wrong. We’re doing wonderful this year…take what you can get. Anyone remember our record at this point last year? Game on tonight and whether you like it or not – Happy is in.
Oh my God
“If Jiri Hudler were a Roomba, the only areas of your carpet that would consistently stay clean are the low-traffic areas where there’s not much dirt to begin with. Roomba Hudler would see carpet matted down by foot traffic and would turn around and bump into your coffee table seven more times.”
I’m dying. That’s the best way I’ve ever heard someone describe an inept player.
Will somebody please pass the f**king asparagus?
Actually, the comparison confused me
Because the Roomba’s whole purpose in life is to suck, and in this case, it’s…umm…not sucking. I mean, I get it from the standpoint that it’s not doing its job properly in this scenario, but the whole, “to suck or not to suck” comparison has my poor little mind tied in knots.
I'm expecting 100% improvement from the Lions this season.
On the fence.
I loved him before he went to Russia because he always found the quite spots on the ice and could then rip one in with his amazing shot for a 3rd liner. He just isn’t finding the quite spots now which is worrying. I don’t want to sit or trade him yet, but I don’t see how finding the quite spots is going to be much different from KHL to NHL rinks. Yes size is different, but you are focusing on the other team more than how far off the boards you are. I still like Happy, I am just frustrated with him. That’s just my opinion though.
COME ON HAPPY, DO IT FOR OZZY!
nailed it on the head...
when you point out that the team would never be able to replace him with somebody with the same amount of talent.
Players slump, its a long season. Happy just happens to be slumping early, and its somewhat expected after being away from the NHL game for a year. And lets face it, its not like Modano or Cleary were really playing any better or doing anything to help Hudler’s numbers. Any 3 of those guys could’ve had the same fate. I’d argue Modano needed to sit, but seems like Babs won’t go there out of respect (even though he has the built in excuse of “keeping Mo’ fresh for the long haul” if he were to scratch him.
Simply put, yes, Hudler has not been good at all so far. Its almost certain other players will go through a similar stretch this season and it just won’t stick out as much because it wont be the beginning of the year, when we tend to put a little too much weight on early numbers & results.
And when other slumps happen, or the injury bug bites the top 6, trust me, we are all going to be happy (excuse the pun) that Hudler is around.
Don't trade him
Bench him for 2 games. Have him work his ass off. Rinse and repeat.
Everybody gets in a slump, he’ll get out of it.
Go for it
I’ll re-post this here, because it’s the appropriate thread. Yesterday, I wrote:
I realize that Mike Babcock knew more about hockey by the time he hit puberty than I’ll ever know. But I don’t like Babcock’s decision to not ice his best lineup last night. He said himself that in the Edmonton game Hudler didn’t mesh well on a line with Helm and Eaves – two speedy, high-energy players. Hudler has a goal-scorer’s touch and a way of finding open space in the offensive zone, but it seems to me he’s not fast, high-energy, nor very good defensively.
So what did Babcock do against the Canucks? He sat Eaves and played Hudler with Helm and Miller – two speedy, high-energy players. Helm and Eaves are the Wings’ most-used pair of forwards on the penalty kill. So, Detroit went up against the Canucks’ League-best power-play without one of their top penalty-killers. They might not have given up two power-play goals if they’d had Eaves last night. Then, Babcock used the ice-cold Hudler on the second power play unit in place of Filppula or Bertuzzi.
I understand: A confident and effective Jiří Hudler can mean 20, maybe 30, goals for the Wings this season. And he’s certainly been good on the power play in the past. I just think that 1) This was not the right game to play with. Vancouver may be the best team in the conference, and I thought of it as a measuring-stick game for the Wings. Babcock should have waited for a lesser opponent for Operation Jolt Huds. 2) Hudler may be one of those players that can thrive only on a scoring line. I love Darren Helm, but he’s not the sort of playmaker that Hudler needs get him the puck when he suddenly finds the open spot on the ice in the offensive zone. This wasn’t giving Hudler his best chance to succeed.
I think Babcock should have waited to put in Hudler, or sat Franzen and put Hudler on the 2nd line. Franzen could maybe have used another day to rest the hip injury that he aggravated against Calgary. Hudler has had a lot of success with Filppula as his center before, this would have been a better chance to get him back on his game than playing on the 4th line, and given Franzen a bit of a rest if Franzen wasn’t feeling 100%.
I hope Jiří appreciates the lengths Babcock is willing to go to get him rolling.
I wasn’t offended when Hudler left for Russia. I actually wanted him to go, because, based on his play the previous year, I thought Ville Leino was going to be better (he was) in that spot for the Wings (he wasn’t).
I think Hudler should be benched until the sadly inevitable injury on the top 3 lines (Okay, Franzen. There, I said it.) or someone else slumps and needs to sit. Hudler can work out his issues then. Right now he’s getting his suck all over the lineup.
I don’t disagree that I would have rather seen Franzen sat. I do think his hip is bothering him and I’d rather he be healthy, but I’m not in the dressing room and don’t know how much the flexor is really a problem.
As far as the measuring-stick game, I don’t know about that. Considering our recent schedule, I think it did prove that we have a team that can beat Vancouver in a long series. All credit to the Canucks for taking advantage of a game they probably should have won, but a playoffs Detroit team doesn’t make those kinds of mistakes.
by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 8, 2010 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
But how hurt is Franzen, exactly? The Wings have never been a team to rush players back from injury, I doubt anything is seriously wrong with Franzen physically. As a precautionary measure, it would be nice, and even if he is on a cold streak, a benching would do some good. I wish the Wings wouldn’t be so secretive.
As for Hudler, there is a nice warm seat in the press box for him, at least for a few games. He does not deserve to be in the lineup the way he has played recently, especially because eaves and miller have been so great. He will eventually figure it out, but Babs is trusting him too much as of now.
Maybe Hudler would benefit from playing a few games in Grand Rapids. Get him some quality ice time on the big ice surface again, get his confidence back.
Problem
Hudler can’t be sent to Grand Rapids without clearing waivers. He most certainly would get picked up and placed in the lineup of one of the 29 teams out there for half of his cap hit (Detroit would keep the other half). We’d be doing worse than giving him away for nothing by trying to send him to the Griffins.
by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 8, 2010 4:22 PM CST up reply actions
Holland Just Called
….and guess what? Toronto wants him!! hahahahahaha
Anyway, keep Hudler anywhere but on the ice. This season is shaping up like parity has hit home, we need all the points we can get, no time for experiments. He can work out his problems in practice. Wasn’t there a problem with him in training camp?

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