Would You Like Curly Fries With That? Red Wings 5 - Blues 2
by Amerinadian on Dec 15, 2010 10:32 PM CST
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There's something about a game against a divisional rivalry that gets the blood pumping, eh? The St. Louis Blues came in to the Joe with a depleted lineup, and it proved to be no match against the high-flying Red Wings, who pumped home 5 goals en route to a 5-2 victory.
The Red Wings opened the scoring when Nicklas Lidstrom scored his first goal of the night and 2nd in the last 13 games. The Blues got that one back a minute later when Carlo Coliacovo put a backhand past Jimmy Howard. Niklas Kronwall picked up his seventh goal of the season as a Red Wing power play expired. Dan Cleary put the Wings up 3-1 on the power play, and the Wings outshot the Blues 20-7 in the second period. Lidstrom potted both his second and the Wings' 2nd power play goal of the night a couple of minutes into the third, and we were all thinking about the same fast food treat at that point. Brad Winchester scored a power play goal of his own 4 minutes later, but as the game ticked down, there was only one thing on our minds: curly fries. In an awesome twist of fate, the puck bounced over Cleary's stick as he was about to score an empty-netter, forcing him to pass it to the point. Lidstrom ripped a slap shot, and as soon as it found the back of the net, I thought I heard thousands of voices cry out "Curly Fries" as one.
This was a great game by the Wings as they dominated most of the game against the Blues, keeping St. Louis in dead last in the division. Follow me after the jump for the analysis.
Something about a big win against a divisional opponent puts me in a great mood.
- Let's get to the most important thing: Red Wing fans all over the state of Michigan (and beyond, if they are so inclined), will be feasting on free curly fries tomorrow. Once again, tons of kudos to the boys over at TPL, as they spearheaded this mission to change the hat trick reward. Who would have thought that 4 days after the announcement was made, that we'd be benefiting? So we should all raise our paper fry holders in honour of the greatest defenseman who ever lived: Bobby.....uh, I mean Nicklas Lidstrom.
- In all seriousness, how good was the defense tonight? Lidstrom had 3 goals and an assist; Kronwall chipped in with his seventh goal of the season; Jonathan Ericsson was really throwing the body around and played another good game; and Ruslan Salei was also quite good, getting in lanes and playing the kind of positional defense we've come to expect from him. It's always nice to get a solid game like that from your blueline.
- Up front, Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg were all over the ice tonight. Z finished with 4 assists, and Datsyuk had at least 3 jaw-dropping moments. I think there should be a new stat called TP - "twisted panties". It's a safe bet that Pavel would lead that category as well. Truth be told, every forward on the Wings was good tonight, including whipping-boy Jiri Hudler. He's starting to get some good chances, and my gut tells me now that he's involved in the offense, pucks are going to start going in. The Wings' top players were their best ones, and it's the biggest reason why they won.
- However, when Hudler and Helm get on a 2-on-1 again, I want to call a Zach Morris "Time-Out" and insert 2 other forwards so that they would actually get a shot on goal. Just a thought.
- Were you like me when Lidstrom scored the first goal? Did several of your orifices all un-pucker at the same time? Yea, I thought so.
- The Blues sure are dirty. David Backes cross-checks Tomas Holmstrom away from the play, taking a dumb penalty that leads to the Wings' 3rd goal. Jay McClement slashes Darren Helm on the back of the leg, although there was no call on that. These are two of the supposed "leaders" on this team. It's no wonder the Blues have always been and will continue to be no better than mediocre. Oh, and McClement, remember when Datsyuk came back deep into his own zone to steal the puck off you when you weren't looking? That's what we call "Selke-worthy" defense. Maybe by the end of the year you'll be a + player and could actually garner some consideration for the award; you might even get more votes that Alex Ovechkin.
- Is there no greater sound in hockey than the "PING" of a goalpost after a shot by the opposition? Knowing that the hockey Gods were on your side for that one second is just a really great feeling.
- Good thing the Blues went out and got Jaroslav Halak: the Wings have now scored 11 goals on him in 2 games. And I say that as a guy who likes Halak and thinks he's the only player on the Blues worth anything.
- The Blues lost Erik Johnson to an injury in the first period (here's hoping he was driven around the building at some point in a golf cart). There are some Blues fans who can't believe the bad luck their team is facing, and some even mentioned that no team has ever had this many injuries at one time. If there are any Blues fans reading this who actually believe that, I refer you to Detroit Red Wings season, 2009-10. The Wings had 9 of their 18 regulars out of the lineup at one time. Half the team. The Blues are not even close to that yet.
- Player of the Game: Your captain, Nicklas Lidstrom.
This was a great bounce back game for the Wings after failing to score on Jonathan Quick. Divisional points are going to be at a premium, and the Wings took advantage of a short-handed Blues lineup. Next up is Little Brother, who is going through a bit of an injury stretch of their own. Keep this in mind: if the playoffs started today, the Hawks would not even have the chance to defend their title. It's ok: I'm laughing too. We'll be here, hoping to see Chris Osgood earn win number 400.
Enjoy your curly fries everybody!
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caught the 3rd period
Lids continuing to play like hs is 20 love it!…Go Wingss
LETS GO RED WINGS!
2011 will be the year....better be....
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I believe a good rip a SLGT should be in the future
Just read their “recap” of the game, which pokes fun at all the empty seats at the Joe. What douches.
Back off man, I'm a scientist
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there fans are always douchebags
i expect nothing else from them
LETS GO RED WINGS!
2011 will be the year....better be....
Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."
by TuLoRocks2008 on Dec 15, 2010 10:47 PM CST up reply actions
It's all good
When your team shits the bed on the ice, the only thing you can do is make fun of the opposing fans. I’m guilty of it. The difference is that my venom is out of boredom, not out of bitterness and jealousy.
by Amerinadian on Dec 15, 2010 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
I know many companies buy chunks of season tickets and rarely use them
Dow for example buys a lot of tickets and they rarely get used every game. It’s also Wednesday, lot of people have things to do, like jobs.
Back off man, I'm a scientist
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It is what it is
Wasn’t there also a storm there?
There’s no need to justify it. The only thing that matters is what occurs on the ice, not how many people watched it in the stands.
by Amerinadian on Dec 15, 2010 10:58 PM CST up reply actions
I know
I just hate pettiness.
Back off man, I'm a scientist
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Speaking of pettiness..
Also called the Homer hit a dive. I didn’t see it so I have no idea…regardless the Blues player was dumb in taking the cross check anyway.
In any event, why do so many opposing fans think Homer is such an avid diver? You stand in front of the net for a living and see how often you fall down…also, have you seen Homer skate? Not exactly the most graceful out there. Sure, he may be prone to falling easily, but it’s hardly diving.
In fairness...
Homer does dive more than any other Red Wing.
However, I think that even without the Blues-colored glasses on, they might be calling this thanks to how much Darren Pang went on and on about it in calling it an embellishment. I still really like and have a lot of respect for Panger, but watching him pull that all night brought that down a peg for me.
by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 15, 2010 11:56 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah I like Pang too...
He usually stays pretty objective. Guess he decided to be a homer tonight. (Homer made Panger a homer?)
Homer does dive some, but not as much as others would think…that’s what I meant to say I guess.
Wow...uhhhh...Darren Pang?
Are we all talking about the same guy? I’ve been living in the Blues FSN broadcast shadow ever since Pang joined. I also remember his performances three years ago when Detroit would face off against the desert dogs. In that time I have found him to be THE most partisan hockey hack in all the land. Last night he went on and on and on about Holmstrom embellishing. After they came back from the commercial break they focused on Homer getting treatment on the bench and Pang went to far as to whine “That’s not even the side he got hit on!” Later in the game when Helm drew a penalty, he implied that Helm was also a diver of the first degree. In the previous Detroit shellacking of the Loo this season, Panger spent the second half of the third period raging against the Babs for not calling off the dogs when the game was clearly in hand. Late in the game he said something along the lines of “Let’s just go home. The heck with Detroit.”
I remember games in Phoenix where he was every bit as bad. He grouses for a penalty every time a player on the team that signs his paycheck hits the ice. Meanwhile, every time a player for the opposition draws a call Pang suggests that it was either a bad call or an obvious dive.
I watch a lot of hockey, and a lot of Blues hockey in particular. Pang is the worst in the game. Worse than the crew in San Jose, and worse than the Florida Panthers crew (they’re my top three most one-sided playcalling teams). You want to listen to a group that rivals Ken and Mickey, tune in to an L.A. or a Vancouver broadcast. But Pang? Objective. Seriously. The guy is a douche of the highest degree. And then there’s this…
http://nhl.fanhouse.com/2010/12/08/darren-pang-apologizes-for-unfortunate-slip-of-the-tongue/
Sure, sure, honest mistake, could happen to anyone, blah blah blah. Pang is a dick.
by LeftWingLocked on Dec 16, 2010 7:04 AM CST up reply actions
Disagree
Steve Yzerman disagrees too. He’s usually very complimentary of the Wings as well.
I hate the Vancouver broadcast crew.
by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 16, 2010 8:22 AM CST up reply actions
If I remember correctly...
…Pang was Yzerman’s best man, no? So he’s not exactly an unbiased observer.
There are concrete examples above of Panger’s obvious homerism. Your only evidence is because he’s pals with Yzerman?
I watch the games. I listen to what Pang says. Complimentary of the organization in the pre-game chat? Maybe. Complimentary of the play and players during the game? Not so much.
by LeftWingLocked on Dec 16, 2010 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
To be fair
He’s on the Blues broadcast; just as we expect Mickey to “root” for the Wings to some degree, Pang is going to do that for the Blues. Watch him when he’s on TSN: he’s one of the best colour guys on there.
When it comes to opposing colour guys, I want one thing: if the Wings are playing well, show them the proper respect. I also want a colour guy to be honest about the home team; if they’re playing poorly, or a guy looks like he’s floating, call it. I don’t watch Pang a lot when he’s doing the Blues games, but I get Olczyk during the Wing-Hawk games (like I will tomorrow night), and he’s the same way: he fawns all over the Hawks and slurps their knobs. The difference is that I expect that on a Hawks broadcast. It pisses me off when he does it on NBC.
The difference...
…as I see it, is when Mick is calling a game and a bad call goes against the opposition (or an obvious infraction by a Red Wing is missed), Mickey points it out. He doesn’t just look the other way. He calls it straight.
Edzo is interesting. I also live in Chicago’s broadcast shadow, so I watch a lot of Hawks games. He drives me nuts with his Edzoisms (the period of the long change, active sticks, happy human, etc.), and yes, he slobs Hawk knob. But I don’t recall him slagging the opposition and the officials to the degree that Pang does night in and night out on Blues telecasts. Talk up your team, that’s fine. But calling the opposition divers and questioning every call that doesn’t go your way is petulant and the cowardly way to call a game.
The TSN argument is a spurious one. I’m not questioning Pang’s hockey I.Q., knowledge of players and the game, or his connections in the league. His role on TSN is an analysist and is a totally different beast than calling games. If he brought that knowledge and level of analysis to bear in the booth for Blues telecasts instead of his incessant whining when things aren’t going St. Louis’ way, I’d have a hell of a lot more respect for him. But he don’t so I won’t.
by LeftWingLocked on Dec 16, 2010 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
Fair enough
Look, we may have to agree to disagree here. I normally like Pang and what he brings to the game, but I’ll admit that I don’t watch him on Blues’ broadcasts a lot (mostly because I have the option to avoid him). Maybe next time I will watch the Blues feed and see for myself.
Curious question for you: do you only watch Pang when they are playing the Wings, or do you watch him when the Blues are playing, say, the Predators or Stars? I ask because I know I am much more sensitive to what the opposition announcers say about the Wings because they are my team, whereas I could give a rat’s ass what they say about a team I either a) don’t care about or b) outright dislike.
by Amerinadian on Dec 16, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
I am a hockey fan first...
…and a Wings fan second.
I watch a lot of Chicago and St. Louis hockey because I followed Jonathan Toews and T.J. Oshie during their tenure at the University of North Dakota. Over October/November this year, I attended NHL, WCHA, and USHL games in several different states. I try and catch Kings and Lightning games whenever I can online. I also generally watch the Versus/NBC games regardless of who is playing (unless it conflicts with a Detroit game). I tune in to most Blues and Blackhawks games. I see a lot of Pang and Olczyk, and both are the same, regardless of who their respective teams are playing.
In fact, I don’t even know that Olczyk attends the games. I’m pretty sure they just have an Edzo Soundboard that they use. But I digress…
I REALLY like watching Central Division hockey, because they have elite talent in the game (and some of the best coaches in Babcock and Trotz). Nash is the real deal. Weber and Suter in Nashville are tremendous defensemen. Oshie and Backes are throwback, Howe-esque players. The Hawks are the defending champs. And Detroit is the greatest franchise in professional sport. So yeah, I watch a lot of central division hockey, regardless of who they are playing.
And Pang is the same guy, game in and game out, regardless of the opposition. Sure, he’s complimentary of the players he should be complimentary of (Nash, Weber, Toews, Datsyuk ,etc.). That’s to be expected. Where he loses me as a hockey fan is his incessant bitching about officiating, as if there is a conspiracy against his team. He was like this in Phoenix, and he is like this now. Last night was a prime example. The Holmstrom and Helm calls were two of the most glaring examples of this, but he also threw a tantrum about the missed delay (clearing the puck over the glass in the defensive zone) penalty until an obvious make-up call was made against Kronner. Pang will start bitching about Tootoo when they play Nashville before he even touches the ice (and yes, Tootoo is brutal, but at least lay off the guy until he does something that warrants it). He makes every game sound as though the NHL officials are all colluding against whatever team signs his paycheck. And when a blown call works in STL’s favor, it gets no mention, no replay, nothing.
It also drives me nuts that he can’t be troubled to research the opposition. His butchering of the other team’s player’s names aggravates me to no end, but I understand that that complaint is digging into minutiae, so I’ll let that go.
We can certainly agree to disagree. I think Pang is one of, if not THE worst color men in the NHL. I don’t care if he makes Yzerman laugh on the golf course. The guy is brutal in the booth. That’s not to say that he doesn’t know hockey. He does. And perhaps that’s why his awful color work is so grating.
I’d advise keeping an eye on scores. Next time the Blues are down by a few goals going into the 3rd. Then he really seems to lose it.
by LeftWingLocked on Dec 16, 2010 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
Fair enough
Like I said, I don’t watch him on Blues broadcasts, so my views of him are based off of limited exposure.
I understand the repeated knocks against the refs and the other team; we used to deal with that in Toronto back in the day when Jim Ralph was the colour guy for the Leafs. He would actually say “what a bad call” and continue to rail on it for minutes, even if something happened in the interim. Looking back, I would have called Ralph the “Ron Santo (RIP)” of Leaf announcers. It certainly didn’t help that I was (and still am) a huge anti-Leafs guy, so I was sensitive to those things.
I am making a pledge that the next time I have the opportunity, I will sit and watch a Blues broadcast against another team (not the Wings), and see for myself. I may find myself agreeing with you, or I may not. Either way, I’m at least seeing what the fuss is all about.
And Terry Crisp is worse than Pang. So is Brian Hayward for the Ducks.
by Amerinadian on Dec 16, 2010 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
I admit I don't watch much Pang when it's not the Wings/Blues
But yeah, the good friends with Steve Yzerman and all of the wonderful things he says about the Wings every time I’m forced to watch a Blues broadcast against the Wings are reasons I still like the guy.
You see more of him than I do, so you’ve gotten the opportunity to get sick of any antics you perceive. Calling Homer a diver for the rest of the game was one antic for me. If he keeps doing that in telecasts I actually watch, I’ll change my opinion of him.
It’s funny about the concrete examples because your bias about a biased guy is ultimately biased.
I don’t think Pang is the worst in the league. I don’t even think Pang is the worst in the division, as he’s worse than the previously discussed Edzo and I think he’s worse than Terry Crisp in Nashville.
Hell, compared to Bernie Federko, who used to be the color guy, Darren Pang is a godsend. Federko spent all of his game bitching about how much the Blues sucked, the refs sucked, and the league sucked. He was Mickey Redmond on downers.
Like I said, the only problem I had with the way he worked the color analysis last night was with the homer issue. Other than that, I specifically remember times when he went on rather longer than I thought he should have about how good Pavel & Hank are, how great it is that the Red Wings have kept a team like their together and about how the Blues simply can’t GIVE the Red Wings that many opportunities. I actually don’t remember any whining about the refs or the Blues last night.
by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 16, 2010 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
Fair enough, but...
…a couple of things.
1.) EVERYBODY gushes about Hank, Pav, and Lidstrom. That shouldn’t be a metric, I’d say.
2.) The Homer thing was the worst, but certainly not the only instance. He called Helm a diver in the 3rd for a blatant trip in front Halak. He also started going off about the missed delay of game call in the 1st and didn’t quit until the make-up call on Kronwall. There wasn’t just one isolated incident last night.
3.) I still don’t see why his personal relationship with Yzerman should give him a pass for being bad at his job.
Other than that, sure, I’m biased. I think Pang is an awful color guy. Fortunately for me, he provides ample evidence each and every game. But if you enjoy listening to him and think he does a good job…more power to ya. I won’t think any less of ya. ;-) But on the flip side of that coin, I’m not going to start enjoying the work he does.
I will try to listen with a more open mind next time I take in a Blues game, though.
by LeftWingLocked on Dec 16, 2010 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
Sounds fair
in fairness to the missed delay of game call where he didn’t quit talking about it until the Kronwall penalty, that was roughly 10 seconds between the time they showed the replay and Kronwall took the penalty on the ensuing faceoff. If I remember correctly, I think Pang even hinted that the ref called Kronner as a tacit admission that they should have called Salei.
Maybe it’s a cart-leading-the-horse thing with the Yzerman relationship, as it probably doesn’t outright give him a pass, but it makes me less likely to think he’s doing a bad job knowing that he does have a ton of respect for the Wings. It likely causes bias in my interpretation of what constitutes whining on his part. To be honest, I still can’t believe how hated Mickey Redmond is by non-Wings fans for being a “terrible homer analyst”, and I think that’s probably working on the same concept.
Just a thing though. I’m glad that we can at least disagree respectfully.
by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 16, 2010 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Obviously
I’m glad that we can at least disagree respectfully.
It’s because we’re so classy.
by LeftWingLocked on Dec 16, 2010 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
It seems like an honest mistake to me.
They are similar sounding works and people get tongue twisted.
it was pretty blatant
came up and cross checked him in the ribs, far away from the play. it was a dumb hockey play and we got a goal off of it.
I Like Pie
That might have something to do with the three-day argument I had with them after the last game when they started talking shit on empty seats and I reminded them that the Wings had better attendance at home (by numbers, since 96.5% of 20,066 > 100% of 19,150) and that the WIngs are the best road draw in the league, which is why they don’t play another Saturday at home until January and played three home openers this year while the Blues play every Saturday in December and most of their home games on days when people are more naturally inclined to come out.
by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 15, 2010 11:58 PM CST up reply actions
It's not worth a response
Honestly it’s childish prodding attempting to provoke and they don’t care what the answer is, same as the Detoilet/Detwat/whatever. The team is wildly successful, a goldmine, wins games and awards and championships, draws tv ratings regardless of who they play… why should I care if 500 people didn’t go to the game?
I wouldn't worry about it
I mean, we’re all dicks because one Red Wing troll went over to SLGT and talked shit, even though Kjell and ahtrap both distanced themselves from him. I know that I’m such a jerk for going over there to ask about EJ, and JJ was too for defending Holmstrom. What a bunch of assholes you all are.
I guess when your team has wavered between mediocre and outright garbage for the last 43 years, seeing another team have sustained success makes you bitter and sad. It’s ok; they’ll all go back under their bridges until the next Wings-Blues game, when they will emerge angry, furrowing their brows as they attempt to come up with yet another excuse why the Blues are not as good as the Wings are. (Now that’s being a dick).
I deserve that
Not that it makes things better, but I put way to much gas in the bus (whiskey) and went over there after reading Ryan’s comments to see what the deal was.
After reading the usual Wings are euro/soft nonsense I thought I should post. The message I got when I signed up for the boards was that people on the board talk tough and the weak shouldn’t apply / if you’re a Wings fan, lookout we’re mean!
Apparently that message wasn’t reflective of the boards. One bad joke later, I’m a huge dick. Fair enough, although at the time I gotta say I didn’t know Carnie was a she. She took things personally, I got banned before I could apologize. I sent the moderator a message to the effect of, “hey, didn’t realize she’d take things personally, tell her I’m sorry.” Anywho, lesson learned, sorry for being “that guy” with WiiM in my profile.
by André Boillot on Dec 16, 2010 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
You did
Your comments crossed a line, and despite your excuse, they got you banned. I completely understand the frustration that you were feeling, because I had it too, but after the whole fracas with FtF, we’re trying to ensure that if we are going to other team’s boards, we keep it hockey-related, which you didn’t do. Had you done that around here, I’d ban you, too.
Having said that, if they see fit to un-ban you, then good. At least you understand that you were out of line. However, I’ll also admit that they had a lot of the “I can dish it out but can’t take it” mentality last night, but you picked a bad time to make personal comments (right after a loss to the Wings).
by Amerinadian on Dec 16, 2010 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
That wasn't the point
Apologizing had nothing to do with getting reinstated over there, I mean, it’ll be real tough but I’ll carry on you know? It had everything to do with making sure that Carnie knew it was nothing personal, that I had misjudged the tone based on the intro message, and that I was sorry I hurt her feelings. That and for sullying the good folk here, to an extent, by association.
by André Boillot on Dec 16, 2010 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
Understandable
You gain my respect from admitting a mistake and trying to own up to it.
I hope that they get the message to Carnie, and wish you luck on that. As for us, we’re good; we’re not responsible for your (or anyone else’s) actions on another team’s board. What’s unfortunate is that everyone will get lumped together based on one isolated incident. But, that’s what we get for being fans of the Wings; we’re arrogant dicks, remember? ;)
by Amerinadian on Dec 16, 2010 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
yea seriously
Blues fans have nothing else to say but go on about some empty seats…oh no that is going to affect me and the Wings being 20-7-3 and the Blues continuing to be our little sister
LETS GO RED WINGS!
2011 will be the year....better be....
Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."
by TuLoRocks2008 on Dec 16, 2010 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
ah...the captain got us curly fries for tomorrow...what a nice guy
From the little parts I watched (which I saw 4 out of the 5 wings goals…take that exams) they looked strong. No exam will keep me from the game friday…looking forward to a little brother beat down…GO WINGS!!!
Also, did Babcock announce Osgood will be starting in Chicago? I figured he would get the start against Dallas on Sunday…
MMM i think Lidstrom finally getting th Hatrick is what gives this such a good feeling
:) great feeling @ the end liked the performance top to bottom
I want a jamocha shake or jr roast beef not frikken fries :( sigh
Osgood
The biggest thing I love about Chris Osgood right now is how much he annoys people, there are so many idiots out there trying to figure out a way to keep a goalie who will have over 400 wins, 3 stanley cups (2 as a starter) and very good GAA and save % numbers out of the hall of fame.
by gyldenlove on Dec 16, 2010 1:17 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Three things
1. As touched on in the recap, Detroit is currently fielding the deepest blue line corps in hockey. Lidstrom has to be THE favorite for the Norris at the moment (and SHOULD be in the conversation with Crosby for the Hart), Rafalski isn’t making mistakes out there, Kronwall has been brilliant offensively, Stuart was really laying the wood to cats last night, Salei is rarely out of position, and Ericsson…well I think a lot of folks should consider sending him a letter of apology. For all the disdain he garnered in the pre-season, he’s been steadily stellar on the back end. His confidence seems to be amplified with every minute he’s on the ice. He’s playing the best hockey of his young career and has shown, once again, that Holland and Babcock are goddamned geniuses.
2. Darren Pang is a dick. (See above)
3. Jiri Hudler played his best game of the season last night. He was active, strong on the forecheck, got dirty in the corners, and made a lot of things happen on the ice. Adding Helm as his center really opened things up for the 3rd line and they were all over St. Louis from the opening face-off. However, as much as I would like to see that line continue to click, the changes were detrimental to the 4th line. I thought that Draper, Abdelkader, and Eaves were not just the worst line on the ice for Detroit (which isn’t a big knock when the first three lines played extremely well), but downright bad. They were severely outplayed by the Peoria Rivermen for the first 40 minutes of the game. They have to play better. The take home point, though, is that apparently Helm is the straw that stirs the drink on Detroit’s bottom six.
I'm gonna print out that boxscore
and head to my local Kansas City Arbys and DEMAND my Curly Fries!! After all, I pay my $$ to DirecTV for my Center Ice Package, so I should be entitled to all of the benefits that are offered!, right????
On the other note – I usually like Panger as an announcer, but he was WAYYYY over the line last night. Loved the “wasn’t even hit on that side” comment….I think the FSMW guys are all over the top for their team. The wide eyed dude, Bernie Federko and Panger all go overboard for the Blues – I’d bet that Mgmt wants it that way, in some strange way, it probably fuels the fans fire if they think they’re getting jobbed by the refs too, in addition to not being a very good team.
I’ve been to enough Blues games to know that it’s not an incredibly well-educated fan base. I’m watching plays develop and they’re still cheering the 5 seconds previous big hit and looking for Reed Lowe to start a fight with the other team’s goon.
Smitty
I remember the Blues game I went to last year (Blues jumped on us early, but we fought back to tie it late and Bert won it in a shootout for us).
When the Blues scored their 2nd goal, the entire arena erupted into their taunting “OOOSGOOOOOD” chants. The only problem was that Jimmy Howard played that game. I laughed my entire section into shame. It wasn’t like this was an example of a last-minute goalie change either, this was during the very public heated part of the Ozzie/Babcock media comment mini-war that had been going on when Jimmy was starting most of the games. It was truly hilarious.
Also, I think you’re right about the management. I’m almost positive they moved Federko to the studio because he was always so negative.
by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 16, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
Abnormally broad brush...
….Blue’s bloggers has it.
Dancing Datsyuk Decidedly Dazzles Dainty Defensemen
TPH, TPH...
When Lidstrom retires, I think I’ll just lock myself in a room and watch film of old games, pretending that Lidstrom will play for eternity. I love that man.
By the way, is SLGT always that vitriolic? I ventured over there to see what all the hub bub was about…first time over there. They rival Second City Hockey in their Detroit hate. But, being a Red Wing fan and therefore a dick, I probably just didn’t understand what was being said. I only speak in “Dickish” (variant of Elvish).
i cashed in my first ever free curly fries today
in houghton, michigan. They accepted it without question, but were going to give me the damn jr. roast beef! i let them know that times had changed and that curly fries were back on the menu. Thus, free curly fries.
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I could come over here and be a jerk...
…like several of the posters in this thread did at our board.
Or I could come over here and just shake my head in amazement at how many people on this board seem to live vicariously through the success of the Red Wings.
You’ve got yourselves some quality hockey players there; you also have some talentless, washed-up schmoes. Just like 29 other teams in the NHL. I’ll let you guys figure out who’s the former, and who’s the latter.
By the way, I see that Jonathan Quick shut you guys out a few days ago, and the injury-depleted “Red Wings’ little sisters” rang up five on him tonight, plus an empty-netter.
Just sayin’. No matter how many times in a row you draw an ace when you’ve got two kings in the hole, sooner or later, Lady Luck drops a deuce on you. Literally and figuratively.
Good evening.
"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."
-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851
http://futurenotes.blogspot.com
by Tomorrows Blues on Dec 17, 2010 3:27 AM CST reply actions
I could come over here and be a jerk…
Mission accomplished
Dancing Datsyuk Decidedly Dazzles Dainty Defensemen
by Robocop on Dec 17, 2010 7:07 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
maybe all of you
should stfu about stupid crap like omg look at all the empty seats omg detriot is a shit hole…“fuck detwat…fuck detroit!” omg omg and talk about actual hockey and when it comes to that the Blues really have not done much against the Wings especially since i have been watching hockey from 1993 on….the only come back some of your people have is that you won 4 of 6 last year congrats take those regular season wins and put them on your mantel….but anyway you guys have some nice young talent but just don’t score enough even when you are fully healthy and will need Halak to play like he did in the playoffs last season…good luck trying to fight and claw into the playoffs.
LETS GO RED WINGS!
2011 will be the year....better be....
Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."
by TuLoRocks2008 on Dec 17, 2010 9:24 AM CST up reply actions
I could come over here and be a jerk...
And here you are. Nice to see you drop down to the level of those people you condemned so much over on SLGT. But we’re all just a bunch of dicks, so I guess we should expect the same courtesy in return, eh?
You know, you guys over there are sure quick with the slings and arrows at Detroit, and not just at the team or even the fans (which I feel are fair game). The one commenter who crossed the line was dealt with by your mods, and even here it was noted that he went too far. He’s apologized, but that’s between him and your people.
Good on you for putting 5 goals past Jonathan Quick. I’ll say that he was probably still tired from stopping 51 shots against the Wings, but then again, maybe the Wings will be tired tonight from pumping 4 past Halak.
I guess if the recap over there had focused on anything beyond “OMG WE’RE INJURED”, “HOLMSTROM IS A DIVING PUSSY” and “DUR, LOOK AT ALL THE EMPTY SEATS IN DE-TOILET”, then you’d have people going over there to talk hockey instead of getting up in your shit. We’re far too classy over here to engage in that kind of talk, and actually analyze a game rather than just display our bitter tears for all to see.
Thanks for stopping by!
If you think for one second that I've said anything in my post above...
…that drops me to the level of someone who personally insults a 20-year-old girl, or who has nothing to say in their visit to our site besides “look at all our Cups,” as though said poster actually had anything to do with said Cups…
…well, then I guess I’m just a jealous, bitter Blues fan. I think I can live with your displeasure.
And if Quick was “still tired from stopping 51 shots against the Wings” two days prior to last night’s game, then I’d question his conditioning and preparation. Steen and Sobotka and Brewer and Cole, among others, didn’t seem any the worse for wear last night after each played 20-plus minutes vs. Detroit the nght before.
Enjoy your time at the top while it lasts. Unlike people who point with pride to their having watched games since 1993, I’ve been watching games for considerably longer, and remember well the time when the Red Wings were the laughing stock of the league.
Every dog has his day, and no dog’s day lasts forever. For my part, I promise that i won’t be here kicking Wing fans when they’re down, the way some of your people seem to like to do on our site.
Thanks for having me.
"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."
-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851
http://futurenotes.blogspot.com
by Tomorrows Blues on Dec 17, 2010 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
Oh, but before I go...
We’re far too classy over here to engage in that kind of talk, and actually analyze a game…
•The Blues sure are dirty. David Backes cross-checks Tomas Holmstrom away from the play, taking a dumb penalty that leads to the Wings’ 3rd goal. Jay McClement slashes Darren Helm on the back of the leg, although there was no call on that. These are two of the supposed “leaders” on this team. It’s no wonder the Blues have always been and will continue to be no better than mediocre. Oh, and McClement, remember when Datsyuk came back deep into his own zone to steal the puck off you when you weren’t looking? That’s what we call “Selke-worthy” defense. Maybe by the end of the year you’ll be a + player and could actually garner some consideration for the award; you might even get more votes that Alex Ovechkin.
•The Blues lost Erik Johnson to an injury in the first period (here’s hoping he was driven around the building at some point in a golf cart).
The “class” and savvy game analysis just drips off of those statements.
Saved the best for last, though…
There are some Blues fans who can’t believe the bad luck their team is facing, and some even mentioned that no team has ever had this many injuries at one time. If there are any Blues fans reading this who actually believe that, I refer you to Detroit Red Wings season, 2009-10. The Wings had 9 of their 18 regulars out of the lineup at one time. Half the team. The Blues are not even close to that yet.
When the Wings have their entire top forward line, and their three best defensemen, out of the lineup at one time — and out long-term, at that — do let us know, won’t you?
"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."
-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851
http://futurenotes.blogspot.com
by Tomorrows Blues on Dec 17, 2010 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
Interesting
You mean like last year when the Wings were missing 2 forwards off their top line, 2 forwards off their second line, 3 of their top 6 defensemen, and 2 other forwards? Half the team. And 3 of those forwards (who would be top line players on almost any other team – Franzen, Zetterberg, Filppula) missed significant time. Are the Blues hurting right now? Absolutely. But I chuckle at the melodramatic way that some fans are dealing with the rash of injuries.
You sure can engage in some trash talk, eh? I guess as long as it occurs on your site, then it’s all good. It’s a freaking joke. You guys beat the Kings: congratulations are in order, as they are a good team. The Wings have scored 12 goals in 2 games against one of the supposed best defensive teams in the NHL. Some teams play others tougher.
We can’t control Wing fans from talking shit on your site, and as I said, the one commenter who went over the line was banned. SLGT does a good job of dishing out the trash talk, but it seems that you may have some trouble getting a dose of your own medicine (and I’m not talking about the one idiot that went way over the line – I’ve discussed him already).
Nice of you to cherry-pick a couple of items out of the recap. Do you deny that those were 2 dirty plays? Did you read your own game thread where some of your fans were openly wanting some Wing players to be injured by the Blues? The “class” thing is an inside joke around here. I guess that it’s ok for you guys to joke around about the Wing being old, soft or diving pussies, but heaven forbid we turn the tables a little. And if you’re going to have an entire section devoted to McClement winning a Selke, then expect me to ridicule him when he is schooled defensively by the reigning-winner while being a -12 (at the time of the writing).
Congrats on being a long-time fan. If and when the Blues do win a Stanley Cup, you’ll be all the more happy because you’ve suffered through some rough times. We’ve been hearing for 10 years how “next year” is the year the Wings finally fall, but it hasn’t happened yet. We’re enjoying the run, and there are those of us who understand there will come a time when the Wings are not the top dog. We’ll deal with it the same way that most other teams discuss the Wings: by talking a great deal of shit about them to make ourselves feel better.
A sincere “good luck” on the rest of the season. I truly hope the Blues can get back to being healthy and make a run for the playoffs. Despite what you may think, a competitive Central Division makes every team in stronger.
by Amerinadian on Dec 17, 2010 10:32 AM CST up reply actions
well, then I guess I’m just a jealous, bitter Blues fan.
What would ever make us think that?
Enjoy your time at the top while it lasts. Unlike people who point with pride to their having watched games since 1993, I’ve been watching games for considerably longer, and remember well the time when the Red Wings were the laughing stock of the league.
Every dog has his day, and no dog’s day lasts forever. For my part, I promise that i won’t be here kicking Wing fans when they’re down, the way some of your people seem to like to do on our site.
Ridiculous. This is hilarious about how YOU personally won’t be pulling this shit that a couple guys have after a Wings victory over the Blues. I can guarantee that if our situations were reversed, you wouldn’t be posting “oh, but I remember 20+ years ago when the Blues sucked, so I won’t say anything bad about the Red Wings on my own site”, which is part of the problem you’ve pointed out here. Yeah, perhaps YOU personally wouldn’t take it to another site, but there are Blues fans who would. Just like YOU could handle the issue of Wings fans coming over to your site to rub it in with better tact than coming over here and vaguely accusing the majority of us of doing this.
You don’t like the fact that two of the leaders on your team get frustrated and take cheap shots at the opposition? Take that up with John Davidson. You’ve been watching so long? You should know that petulance by the on-ice leadership tends to trickle down through the lineup and create a team attitude that’s poisonous to the kind of consistency that wins championships. David Backes lost his shit and cross-checked a guy in open ice directly in front of the ref during a very close 2-1 game. I don’t want to get into a correlation and causality argument, but I’m hard-pressed to say that this stupid decision by Backes did not have a lot to do with how the remainder of Wednesday’s game progressed.
Also, the Jay McClement for Selke argument is hilarious and deserves derision.
by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 17, 2010 10:33 AM CST up reply actions
Why thank you good sir
The "class" and savvy game analysis just drips off of those statements.
Apparently you have missed our sportive usage of “classy” at WIM here the past few weeks. No worries kind sir, I myself was almost absent from the gaiety given I’ve been out having my top hat mended, and my monocle studded with jewels.
Seriously, though, don’t talk to us about injuries as if we haven’t experienced what you are right now. The first half of last year every game was simply Russian roulette, and our best players seemed to have earned the ire of the hockey gods. We get it. And, as you astutely point out, given that all we have to live for is the success of the Wings many of us were clinical dual personalities much of the time.
Course, even with all the injuries we still finished ahead of the Blues in the standings. A whole 12 points to be exact. I can understand why you’re so angry.
Congrats on beating the Kings
If we hadn’t played twice so far this season and put 11 goals up on Halak, I’d say that the sports rule of transitive victories would make the Blues a better team after jumping out to a two-goal lead on the Kings in the 2nd period, only to give it back and finally net the game-winner in the last three minutes.
I want names of which of the “several” posters in this threads were acting like jerks at SLGT. We’ve discussed the banning. He thought that it was a back-and-forth banter that your 20-year-old girl just happened to get offended about, despite your own site’s rules talking about how you guys talk tough. I’d have banned him for pulling that shit here, but that looked like a situation of being able to dish it out, but being unable to take it, so quick acting like she got victimized by such a horrible thing. The guy trolled, he got banned, end of story. You’re not making anybody here feel badly about that. If you’ve got “several” names, I want to see them. Was I acting like a jerk?
by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 17, 2010 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
Some perspective
I don’t know about other Wings fans commenting on SLGT, but to take me as an example of the general population here at WiiM is silly. I’ve posted 8 times here, two of those addressing my comments on SLGT. So, to use me as an example just doesn’t work.
I shouldn’t have said what I did, no doubt. I also didn’t know that Carnie was a girl when I said most of what I did. But lets not pretend like what I did was like walking up to a five-year old and slapping them. Everything on SLGT pointed to a group of tough-talkers including, as I noticed later, Carnie’s profile. When I realized that I had hurt her feelings, the first thing I tried to do was apologize on the boards, by that time I’d been banned. So the very next thing I did was email the moderator to see if he’d pass on the apologies.
In the end, this has nothing to do with WiiM. I’m not a regular here, and there’s no reason for this to reflect on them.
by André Boillot on Dec 17, 2010 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
I’ll rec that for honesty, and for admitting your mistake. I know that you sent your email, and I believe the apology has been passed on to the other person. You’ve done your part.
by Amerinadian on Dec 17, 2010 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Unlike people who point with pride to their having watched games since 1993, I’ve been watching games for considerably longer,
Man…I’m such an asshole for not watching games before 5 years old. I should give up now.
by Casey Richey on Dec 17, 2010 2:46 PM CST up reply actions
Damn Bandwagoners....
….can’t even find the time to be fans before conception. It’s disgusting.
Dancing Datsyuk Decidedly Dazzles Dainty Defensemen
yea seriously
kill me for starting to watch sports when i was 7
LETS GO RED WINGS!
2011 will be the year....better be....
Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."
by TuLoRocks2008 on Dec 17, 2010 5:15 PM CST up reply actions
Living vicariously
Or I could come over here and just shake my head in amazement at how many people on this board seem to live vicariously through the success of the Red Wings.
Sure as hell beats living vicariously through the lack of success of the Blues. Are you always this bitter and angry, or just when talking about Blues hockey?
Shit, I forgot to address that too
Thanks for the reminder, Brobz.
Always funny to see this little bit of bitterness come out from the losing side – the accusation that nobody here has anything going on in their lives other than the Red Wings and that outside of our one great shining beacon of a team, we’re all miserable shits with no hope for redemption.
I mean, it’s true in my case, but I wouldn’t dare assume that about any of you.
by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 17, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
So let's recount the stupid arguments
1 – one person came over and trolled. I have since ignored every piece of logical evidence that it was one person. Instead, I waited a whole day until the Blues won again to feel confident enough to call out the Red Wings fanbase because their ambassador-who-isn’t-an-ambassador bothered me.
2 – We can dish it out and talk a really mean game, but we can’t take it.
3 – I’m hockey royalty. This makes me a better fan than the peons who weren’t lucky enough to be born into fandom.
4 – ALL of you act in a certain way while I promise I won’t.
5 – You like talking about the Red Wings on a website about the Red Wings. This must mean that you live vicariously through the Red Wings and have nothing else going on in your lives because lord knows that websites are like ancestral streams. Every person only has one that they ever visit.
6 – blah blah blah “class”. Again, an argument made excellent by the earnest inclusion of the word class in a discussion that involves the word “fanatics”.
7 – Things aren’t exactly the same, so the similarities are meaningless.
8 – The Wings got beaten by the Kings, who got beaten by the Blues. Therefore, the Blues must be a better team.
9 – broken card playing metaphor that (I think) says sometimes the Blues will beat the Red Wings, despite nobody denying this is a possibility.
10 – Remember, I’m like you, but I’m not anything like you. I’ve never engaged in back-and-forth banter with somebody I didn’t know was going to be horribly and suddenly offended. WE ARE THE VICTIM HERE AND YOU SHOULD RESPECT THAT! ATTICA! ATTICA!
Have I missed anything or would you like to add some new half-reasoned trolling to the mix?
by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 17, 2010 1:00 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
You folks slay me...
Have I missed anything or would you like to add some new half-reasoned trolling to the mix?
No, I think you’ve managed to very nicely misrepresent everything I said.
I’m sure we’ll see you at “Game Time” on Dec. 23, Rumpelstiltskin. Wether we see you there on Dec. 24 depends on any number of factors.
Must run; wouldn’t want to be late for the coven meeting where we boil some sacrificial Detroit-born children in a cauldron filled with our collective tears of despair. We’re having Little Ceasar’s pizza after the ritual.
"If we do not prepare for ourselves the role of the hammer, there will be nothing left but that of the anvil."
-- Otto von Bismarck, 1851
http://futurenotes.blogspot.com
by Tomorrows Blues on Dec 17, 2010 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
Feel free to correct any errors my point of view, hockey royalty.
by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 18, 2010 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
From whence comes your superiority complex?
We are humbled you have graced us with your insight and derision.
Continue to play the victim good fellow. Given the team you root for there is little else.
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