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Wait, DON'T let them score on the power play? Got it.

Jimmy taking a nap while Patrick Eaves has guard duty.

Normally I hate resorting to bullet list analysis but it keeps me from rambling so here we go.

  • It's not like the penalty kill was getting worked over with continuous shots and pressure. It was a simple case of a few good shots and more defensive lapses than I would like to think. Example 1: On Yandle's goal from the point, Howard had Doan in front of him and was there any Red Wing defender even bothering him? Nope. Howie got caught trying to peek around Doan, 1 for 1 on the PP. Example 2: Wojtek Wolski gets free and no defender pressures Yandle on the pass and no defender is home to stop Wolski, 2/2. Example 3: The final power play goal comes off of a lost face-off and a falling Darren Helm can't make it to the point to defend the shot.
  • Well hey, at least no one was a minus in the game! Unfortunately. 
  • Johan Franzen, Henrik Zetterberg, and Pavel Datsyuk have to be the top guys for Detroit. I know it's hard to judge them on one game and I'm not doing that either. Simply stating that with the smothering way that the Coyotes are forechecking, they need to be the guys that step up and take care of the puck and create offense.
  • If there's anything good to take away from last night's game its' that other than the man advantage, the Coyotes couldn't really do squat on offense. They had a handful of chances but it was nothing compared to the even strength chances the Red Wings had. If the Wings can play better on the PK, they might not have all that much difficulty with the Phoenix attack.
  • Brad Stuart seemed to be the only one that cared about hitting back last night. Stuart had a couple of rattling hits in open ice while everyone else just stood around and let Shane Doan bowl them over. Wings can't let that old thought process of being bullied out apply to this year's version of the team. 
  • Following up on that last part, get Abdelkader in there over Williams. Gator will at least hit people and be active instead of not really doing much of anything as Willy did last night. 
  • Wonder how much further Shane Doan will have to push to get a push back?
  • Last night's loss wasn't the end of things. There's plenty of time to turn around things and no need to panic. Completely erase the memory of last night's game and start over. Babcock will get these guys readjusted and get them to move better through the neutral zone and once they're in the zone.
  • Jimmy Howard looked solid last night but was hung out to dry by the PK unit (as discussed before). He didn't give up that many juicy rebounds and didn't really looked to pressured by his first NHL playoff game. Expect Howie to keep his mind in this game but he needs some help around him first.

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Completely agree

With the Gator over Williams idea. The Wings need to play their style when the top 2 lines are out there, but the 3rd and 4th have to establish some kind of presence.

by Brion on Apr 15, 2010 9:41 AM CDT reply actions  

Williams

Was a non-factor. I don’t like him on the PP, and he brings nothing to playoff hockey. Get Abby in there and let him bang some guys around. We also need Kronner to throw his weight around. Maybe Doan will think twice about head-hunting every Wings player.

by Ghat on Apr 15, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kronwall was a half step

from completely destroying a Coyote but the guy saw him last minute. I think you’ll see some big hits from Kronner, Stuart, and even Ericsson in the next game.

by Casey Richey on Apr 15, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

If your going to use Willy on the PP, don’t use him at the point. Use him like Samuelsson or Shanahan and set him up for one timers at the circle. I have never understood why the Wings never use this setup ever. They have good shooters, but still only use the point shots. These one timers from the circles will create rebounds. Have another player sit on the weak side and wait for rebounds. The point shots are old hat and EVERY team knows it’s coming and they just try to block shots. They got lucky with Lidstrom’s goal, because usually with that much traffic the shot will be blocked. Just mix it up and be patient.

by dewman8810 on Apr 15, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

agreed

I like the idea of putting his stick closer to the goal for two reasons. 1.) as you said the shot is very predictable and 2.) he’s not as accurate from far out and seems to miss a lot completely.

by Casey Richey on Apr 15, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Williams isn't Samuelsson or Shanahan

I just don’t see that level of hockey IQ in him that Shanahan absolutely had and Samuelsson expressed on many occasions.

Another problem is Bryzgalov doesn’t give up a whole lot of juicy rebounds.

by john.kmiecik on Apr 15, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wanted that

In the very first game, honestly. I don’t hate Williams any more than you can hate vanilla – it’s just kind of there all the time – but I just like Abdelkader better because I think he can be more effective within the minutes that would be available for either him or Williams.

"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero

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by Baroque on Apr 15, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ugh, every single year in the playoffs there are a few games where I doubt Ken Holland

Which I know is stupid. But just one time I wish we would draft a power forward. Like, just one time.

I know we’ve won without one, but man, having a guy over six feet that can go into corners, knock a guy over, and then bowl his way through people would be awesome.

Franzen is big, but he’s not like, Rick Nash powerful. That’s my one wish.

And that we didn’t all of a sudden revert back to last year’s penalty kill. I can’t handle that again.

by eight_legged_freaks on Apr 15, 2010 10:02 AM CDT reply actions  

But....

we’ve got Todd Ber…..never mind

by Ghat on Apr 15, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

exactly :)

"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero

Science nerd and proud of it!

by Baroque on Apr 15, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

the problem with that

Is that big skilled power forwards are extremely rare and thus very much in demand, and aren’t normally available for any team drafting out of the first 5-10 spots – plus they take a while to develop, so even if he did draft one it would be a few years before he could contribute. And that is assuming no injuries, setbacks in development, or that he wasn’t traded for a more immediate need. I can’t fault him for that.

Rick Nash alone doesn’t do squat, and the team around him would be expensive, too expensive under a cap system.

They are trying to fulfill all the same functions of the classic power forward with multiple players, and that gives them more flexibility, which is needed with a salary cap.

"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero

Science nerd and proud of it!

by Baroque on Apr 15, 2010 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Did Gary Betman Overrule the On-Ice Officials?

When Nick Lidsrom had his tooth brutally removed by the stick of a Coyotes player and a 4 minute penalty was not assessed, did Mr. Bettman overrule the On-Ice Officials? How was a penalty not called on this play. It would have resulted in a 5 on 3 situation with the Redwings pressing the Coyotes. Also, Darren Helm was obvious to anyone that has played ice hockey, interfered with severely on the third goal!! Any comments?? Oh yeah,
Redwings fans I warned you prior to the series that something stinks in DEnmark and it is Mr. Bettman!!

by Marcmargolis on Apr 15, 2010 11:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Really?

See, this kind of conspiracy theory crap is why people hate Wings fans. Do you honestly think the league commissioner called down to the ice somehow and told the officials not to call something?

Referees, umpires etc. miss calls all the time. This doesn’t mean they’re being malicious. They’re human. It’s part of the game. It sucks, but oh well.

by john.kmiecik on Apr 15, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Used to be a rule that a linesman could call a high stick penalty that resulted in an injury. Is that the case anymore?? I have a hard time believing that none of the 4 officials saw it.

by dewman8810 on Apr 15, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

All four officials convened after Lidstrom was hurt

For a while now officials have been able to convene to discuss a call, and that happened last night. No one apparently saw the high stick, so we played on.

This doesn’t mean the league commissioner called down and told them not to call it.

by john.kmiecik on Apr 15, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

There’s a quote from Nicky saying that the refs told him that it was Val’s stick that hit him not Fiddler’s and he was really pissed about that.

by blee27 on Apr 15, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

This

Honestly, does anyone think Bettman and the rest of the NHL are even competent enough to pull off something like that? This isn’t the NBA.

by Rob Rogacki on Apr 15, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

i knew

it was coming. it’s just convenient for us fans. last year it was buttman’s pens, this year it’s buttman’s yotes. we get so into it sometimes we feel the need to place blame on SOMEONE or else our heads will explode, so who better? at least thats what i like to believe :) BS calls happen, and no calls happen. what can ya do about it?

by mikerlz on Apr 15, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

This was covered well in last night's overflow.

This game isn’t on Howard. It’s on an anemic defense during the second half of the game and a godawful PK. I don’t expect to see that team again these playoffs. If I do, our run will be short.

by john.kmiecik on Apr 15, 2010 11:35 AM CDT reply actions  

The worst part of the second goal is that noone, and i mean noone, was even close enough to contest Wolski’s shot.

by Casey Richey on Apr 15, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

One thing I forgot to note

how about the blatant interference by (you guessed it) Shane Doan on Morris’ game winning goal. Hits Helm right off the face-off and knocks him to the ice, preventing him from getting out to the point.

by Casey Richey on Apr 15, 2010 11:48 AM CDT reply actions  

you cant play by the rules and still beat the wings, duh! well, usually, if we’re on our game. shit happens. i am still confident. howard is strong. no goals that werent on a power play, i think we’ll be fine in this series. i like this matchup. it’s not overbearing, but it’s not a cakewalk either.

by mikerlz on Apr 15, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought the interference was pretty obvious but since no mention was made by even the Versus announcers I assumed I was being extra-sensitive. But in watching replays it’s pretty clear Doan’s interference is what makes possible Morris’ entirely uncontested shot. I don’t see how that’s not immediately called back and a minor penalty issued on Doan. But what can you do. Bad calls didn’t lose this game for us, albeit they didn’t help us get back in the game. Ultimately, a seemingly lethargic, timid, or something team is what lost the game. If this Wings team shows up tomorrow they hardly need to play to know the outcome of the game.

by Brobz on Apr 15, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Third Period Tiredness

I think that Rafalski and Stuart looked super tired in the 3rd. Also they need to stop throwing the puck to the front of the net in our own zone on the breakout. One bad bounce and there’s a quick goal for the yotes.

by blee27 on Apr 15, 2010 12:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Rafalski should have been tired

29 minutes last night. 29. more than anyone on either team, even more than Lidstrom.

But yes Rafalski was tired by the third and it showed with some bad passes and turnovers. He’ll get straightened out i’m sure and start to play better if they give him more reasonable ice time.

by Casey Richey on Apr 15, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Poor play not the officials fault.

The officiating was atrocious both ways. The goal that Morris scored which was the eventual game winner, was interference as Doan stepped into Helm as he was going to cover the point. That would have been a moot point had Detroit won the draw, however that is still a penalty. It was called all season and should continue to be called in playoffs. Then they have a make up call on Vrabata who barely touched Cleary with his free hand as the puck is almost out of the zone. Call the first penalty and let insignificant things like that go. Then to miss Lidstrom getting high sticked is uncalled for. There are 4 officials on the ice you see a slight clutch away from the play but not a blatant high stick on the puck carrier…. I heard the Colorado game there were a couple double minor High sticks missed as well.

Im not calling for a conspiracy theory or anthing like that. Things get missed. Ive played my whole life and understand that. Simply do your job and make the right calls the first time.

Bottom line the wings need to play better. They need to win faceoffs at key times, and play with some passion there were too many players not finishing checks and floating around in the defensive zone. Hopefully this loss is a wake up call.

by Alex Evers on Apr 15, 2010 12:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Officiating was terrible all around, I agree

It’s somethign i’ve noticed over the past few years, but especially this season…how bad the officiating has gotten in this league. I mean, my god, you could see that high stick a mile away, I have no idea how in the heck you’d think that WASN’T the Coyote player’s stick? And all four of them decided it wasn’t. WTF? But the officiating was bad all around. I saw plays where a Coyote would get dumped, and thought “oh, we prolly got away with one there.”

It’s been a season-wide problem, the refs decide that the most blatantly obvious aren’t actual offenses, so they “make-up” for it with some ticky-tack “hooking” call, yes in “quotes” because nowadays a hook is defined by your stikc being anywhere near the players midsection, even if it isn’t impeding the player.

Awful, just awful. It’s like this league in an attempt to get more offense decided to call every thing that could even remotely be called a hook/hold, but they forgot about that whole obstruction and interference stuff.

The Wings can’t worry about that stuff, they need to play better than they did last night. There wasn’t enough grit from them in the 2nd half of the game. They don’t need to beat the ’Yotes in number of hits, but they do need to give them a taste of their own medicine every once in awhile and start dictating the play more for the entire game.

by tehGOALIE on Apr 15, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

PK

I think we miss Maltby on the PK – that was his forte. He has 21 career SHG, not to mention how he draws penalties on the opposition.

(not to get negative, but does anyone else get the feeling that Babcock treated Maltby, Draper, and Osgood like second class citizens this season? )

Tippett is a MUCH better coach than the so-called Great One was. Doan may be causing the Wings to change their game plan and focus – which is a benefit to Phoenix.

by wowjimi on Apr 16, 2010 8:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Detroit's been solid

on the PK (if not better to be honest) since Maltby went on IR. I think it was just more of a case of Phoenix having a good night and the Wings having a bad one.

As for Babcock, I wouldn’t call it treating them second class citizens. They’re at the point in their careers where they know their roles are going to be diminished and it just happens that we have guys that can play better than them at this moment in time.

by Casey Richey on Apr 16, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

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