Horrible officiating tarnishes otherwise great game
by Casey Richey on May 3, 2010 1:00 PM CDT
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PrintLet's get this out of the way right now: no, I am not blaming the officiating for the Red Wings loss to the Sharks. Got it? Good.
What I am blaming the officiating for is horrible calls, both ways, in a very important game. There was the "goaltender interference" on Justin Abdelkader in the first, the "boarding" on Patrick Marleau in the first, the Todd Bertuzzi "goaltender interference" in the second, the "interference" on Brad Stuart in the second, the "holding" on Bertuzzi in the third, and the "goaltender interference" on Dany Heatley. Count that up an it's at least 12 minutes of the 28 minutes of penalties that were called that were bogus whistles.
How is the NHL supposed to build a fanbase when both teams are called non-stop for what used to just be hockey plays five years ago? The league is turning into European soccer, players diving all over the place and embellishing plays because they know that sure enough, the man with the striped shirt will show up and call a power play for his team.
I know that this is professional sports and refs will blow calls but enough is enough. The fanbases around the league suffer from stifling whistles in games like this and the flow of the game is horribly interrupted. Players don't even want to make a normal check because they might get called for interference, cross-checking, or boarding. In games like this, players are handicapped in what they can do and it hurts the integrity of the game while also making it horribly lopsided at times.
Get a clue, NHL. Crack down on the officiating or more and more fans will lose interest in the sport.
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didnt you hear?
wings fans take it to another level because we think our team is perfect. we are blaming it all on the refs or we would have won. everyone says so, despite what you just said, for probably the fifth time. now, cue the opposition who need to police an OPINION
I got a different impression today................
than I did listening to The Ticket 97.1 on Friday, I heard a lot more excuses Friday than I did today.
Of course there was plenty of complaining about the reffing, and very deserved and understandable.
But, most people agreed that that wasn’t the reason for the loss, as Casey stated above.
Most identified the obvious penalty discrepancy, and the face-offs as being the biggest keys.
I heard more about the Wings lack of dicipline than I did about inept officiating(close anyway, lol). And I heard props for the Sharks converting when they needed to.
One of the afternoon talking heads said that was the worst overall 3rd period of the season played by the Wings(at least in the playoffs he later went on to say).
So, as a Tealhead, I definately did not get the impression that Wings fans were giving a bunch of excuses today. More like venting. And trust me when i say, I’ve een there.
I know I started off on the wrong foot with some of you guys due to the fact that I started commenting about the whining I heard on friday and not much credit to the Sharks.
Different story today. Much different impression.
its all good
heat of the moment…. but yeah i listen to that station all the time. i feel they do an excellent job (as much as they can at least, they are human) at being impartial with what they say. and i do agree that was a horrible third. i even had hope that they could capitalize at the end, but they just couldnt get their act together and ended up with too many men.
Most of the penalties on the Wings in the third period were legit. The only bad one was the Bertuzzi holding call. The Kronwall hook was iffy only because of the way Pavelski fell. But that wouldn’t have happened without that awful call on Bertuzzi.
I just want to see a playoff game where the players are allowed to play. If it’s a penalty, call a penalty. Just because a guy falls down, doesn’t mean it’s a penalty.
5 Powerplays in the 3rd for the Sharks
Officals ruin the game
"I have to carry out another fine moment before I die."
-Tatsuya Kawajiri-
can we please go back to just accusing the sharks players of diving?
i think i hate the sharks more than the Penguins, if that’s possible. I know we are #1 on many of these lists, but here’s my current.
1) Blackhawks – for their bandwagon fan base
2) Sharks – help, i’ve fallen and i can’t get up
3) Penguins – I hate Crosby like everyone else, but maybe they’re just good.
4) Avs – for old times sake
who’s on your lists?
HA
Blackhawks fans for sure. All the fans seem to forget the last 5 years. The Pens are good, but man they get SO MANY breaks. Officals, luck bounces, etc. Maybe they are just good…
"I have to carry out another fine moment before I die."
-Tatsuya Kawajiri-
Seriously?
No one hates the Leafs? I still want to jam that water bottle down their trainers throat from the 93 playoffs. After them it’s the Pens, Sh!thawks, Habs and everyone else.
Agree.. great read.
Anymore whistles and there is going to be a free throw line.
by bond021 on May 3, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Blame Gary Bettman
Remember the hash mark that used to be between the circles? That’s gonna makes its way back into the game and instead of serving penalties they’ll shoot two from there.
Lousy write up
Clueless Casey, I am blaming the officials for the loss. The Wings were winning before the 5 crap calls that blew a close game. Pavelski didn’t outshine Pavel Datysuk either, with 5 against three any mediocre player can score. Furthermore, Mr. Clueless, Pavelski isn’t half the player Datysuk is and never will be. Pavelski is a decent player but he is no Datysuk. Your stupid comments are about as silly as the refereeing in that game—which should have sent both of those idiot refs back to the minors, or gotten them both canned, and you writing that slop, grow up!
In total agreement....
Detroit lost this game, there’s no questioning that fact. They were out played in all facets of the game, especially in the face-off circles. But, Brad Watson and Kevin Pollock need to be fired from NHL Officiating.
I never thought of comparing the NHL to European Soccer, and all the embellishment and diving, but from the amount of dives I have seen in recent games, it looks to be going that way. I love hockey, but its getting really bad and it’s not just going against the Red Wings. You can watch every game of the playoffs and question calls. When did it become a hooking penalty when you touch another player with your stick?
NHL Rule 55.1 Hooking – Hooking is the act of using the stick in a manner that enables a player or goalkeeper to restrain an opponent.Touching another player with your stick didn’t restrain a players movement 50 years ago and it still isn’t restraining a players movement today.
Lastly, I am sick of the double standards that seem to effect the outcome of a call or suspension. For instance, Alex Ovechkin pushes Brian Campbell in the back and gets a 5-min Board Major and a Game Misconduct, then gets suspended 2 games by the NHL; while Marian Hossa commits the same crime against Dan Hamhuis and only gets a 5-min Boarding Major. Colin Campbell said the reason was that Hossa wasn’t a repeat offender and Dan Hamhuis didn’t get injured. REALLY? We have to see our players get hurt by a repeat offender in order for them to be suspended?
Sorry for going of on a tangent, but this has really been irking me for a long time, and after last nights penalty parade, which had I known was taking place I’d of set up chairs and taken my daughter to see, I couldn’t help but express my dislike.
Continuing your tangent...
The repeat offender talk is BS…the “repeat” part has to start from somewhere anyway! Who cares if it was Hossa’s first incident? And I love the guy as a hockey player and agree he obviously wasn’t looking to injure, but by that same token neither was Ovie. This league needs to look at incidents like those and ask two simple questions, “Do we want that type of play in our game? Does it look good to the public if we don’t suspend him?” If the answer is yes to at least one of those questions, then place the suspension. All this “intent” and “repeat offender” is BS. Just call it for what it is, a nasty play that should never happen, and wouldn’t happen again if you’d simply enforce similar incidents in the same manner. Stop dissecting it for more than what it is.
...
Here’s another; Matt Cooke on Marc Savard. The hit resulted in a serious injury to Savard (concussion), which resulted in Savard missing an extended period of time (It was nice to see him get the game winner in OT the other day.) but Colin Campbell said he couldn’t find anything wrong with the hit to warrant a suspension. Mind you, Matt Cooke is a repeat offender, multiple times over, and he clearly led with an elbow to the head resulting in the player to be taken off the ice on a stretcher and spending time in the hospital. So, if this hit didn’t warrant a suspension then why did it warrant a rule change by the NHL, NHLPA, and the owners to vote unanimously to add the rule change?
Because Cooke is a Pen.
Bettman loves the Pens. jk… kind of
"I have to carry out another fine moment before I die."
-Tatsuya Kawajiri-
Yup, I agree
That was a far more egregious error than the Hossa incident. Far more. ON the surface, the decision to suspend seemed automatic for that case…but oh no, Mr. Inconsistency himself, Colin Campbell, would have none of that…what’s it called?…..oh yeah, COMMON SENSE.
All I ask is whatever it is they decide for each type of hit, make it consistent for each case, stop dissecting each case more than they need to be and take a step back and view it as “is this good for the game of hockey?” Simple as that. Blindside hits from the side or behind = no, whether the player being hit had his head down or not.
Great write up
These are two great teams, and it would be nice to see them go at it 5-on-5. The officials are getting in the way of what should be an epic series. Let the players on the ice decide the game.
As an aside, I do NOT want to see any “make-up” calls in Tuesday’s game. Call the game on its merits. The discrepancy from last night should have no carry-over to tomorrow.
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Exactly...
No make-up calls, just let the game be played. I prefer the games the refs put their whistles away and the game be played.
And it has been fun hockey to watch
San Jose possesses the skill to seriously take it to Detroit. But the refs are tarnishing these games with BS calls, and rather than special teams being an “important factor” in deciding the outcomes of games, they are instead being THE deciding factor, because whoever wins special teams wins the games now, given that 30 minutes of the game is spent with at least one man down on either side.
The Heatley penalty was a makeup call.
The refs made themselves look even worse after the attempt at a makeup call on Heatley’s goalie interference play. I didn’t think it was possible, but it obviously was. That penalty was the icing on the cake to one of the worst officiated games in history. If you are going to do a makeup call, do it when it can actually help… and also call a penalty on something that actually could somewhat resemble a penalty.
is it tuesday yet?
im just ready to continue this series, everyone is blowing this shit out of proportion. its annoying, fustrating, whatever but it happened. the nhl wont let us replay game 2 so everyone get over it and hope the nhl cracks down on this shit. i doubt the calls will be this bad in game 3, at least for the wings, those fans will serioiusly riot if they pull that shit again.
lets hope the nhl realizes that are potentially ruining a GREAT series and fixes this bullshit
by dhall25 on May 3, 2010 2:11 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
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dhall, I am also ready to continue this series and let bygones be bygones.
Like, Amerinadian said, As an aside, I do NOT want to see any "make-up" calls in Tuesday’s game. Call the game on its merits. The discrepancy from last night should have no carry-over to tomorrow.
yeah, its over and done with. lets move on
i dont think there will be make up calls, but yeah those 10 pp are definitely not going to fly at the joe. fan would be livid.
i wonder if there is a way to get brad watson banned from reffing wings games hahaha
couldnt agree more.
to be honest i am embarrassed by some comments from our camp… heat of the moment. but come on, hatred toward the sharks on this level is just inexcusable.
I must have missed that day in school
They’ve added power-plays to European Soccer?
by André Boillot on May 3, 2010 2:21 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
No...
The comment was made that the NHL is going by way of European Soccer with all the dives and embellishment, so as to induce a penalty (or card in soccer).
My sarcasm font wasn't working.
Sorry about that.
by André Boillot on May 3, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
lol...
Hmm….got my mind running about how to create a sarcasm font…lol
Now you guys know what we've been going through...
I know exactly what you guys are going through, but don’t worry, the hockey gods will help you for AT LEAST the next two games…
Ever since the Edmonton series, (anyone remember that Raffi Torres jump on Milan Michalek?? No, well here it is… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0KC91Wuz2k …. how is that NOT a intent to injure…) we Sharks fan have been calling for new refs…
If anyone read the Puck Daddy’s blog about the refs yesterday, he never added any comments about what the Sharks people thought about it.
To be honest, I thought the calls were atrocious (For Detroit and San Jose), but to call the Sharks “divers” may be a bit extreme. Everyone’s going for the puck a little harder, and all you need is a little extra push to take that guy down. A lot of times, (I’ve noticed this in a lot of other series, mostly Pittsburgh last year) people jump to push that puck forward, not necessarily to get the call, although they get the call as well…
All in all, lets hope we have some NORMAL (hear that Bettman? It’s not only us now…) officiating for the rest of the series…
What... u got something to say to a Middle Schooler???? Well.... that was very mean.... you hurt my feelings
i agree with you about diving
attacking the sharks as divers on the level people have been is just funny
Perhaps they just have a higher propensity to fall?
Really, though, I notice that with Red Wings players too…they fall a lot, they’re focusing on other things, likeprotecting the puck and may fall in front of it from being shoved by a defender. But I don’t think everytime a player falls like that a penalty should be called (like, duh). The refs so far in this series seem to think so though…
Maybe
I’ll give you the full benefit credit if San Jose mans up the rest of the way, but (pardon the spelling) Nabokov, Settiguchi, and Nichol have all taken ridiculous spills over the past two games.
Yes, I know Howard did, and someone said Draper did too, but since I’m a homer they only did it in “reaction” (even though they shouldn’t do it). I’m partly kidding…
I’d like to see a clean, no diving, no bullshit call game. I know you want the same. May the best team win.
Setoguchi in Game 1 and Nabokov in Game 2
Especially Nabokov, those were world class dives and no one can deny it. But as I say this, my criticism would be players like Setoguchi and that “interference” call on Stuart. Those are dives. The Vlasic one… Ehh, maybe or maybe he just lost his balance. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. As far as Nabokov… he did what EVERY #$#$ goalie does in this league. It bugs me so much to see these goalies flopping all over. Hasek used to do it, and it usually burned him. Goalies are protected enough in the NHL, they are rarely called for penalties (although of course Howard got one in Game 2 (I didn’t get to see the replay, so I really don’t know how bad it was). I think goalies need to get called for diving a lot more, especially when they are the ones that jump out of the crease with the purpose of initiating contact, then flop when they bump a guy.
Clueless Casey...
Clueless Casey, I am blaming the officials for the loss. The Wings were winning before the 5 crap calls that blew a close game. Pavelski didn’t outshine Pavel Datysuk either, with 5 against three any mediocre player can score. Furthermore, Mr. Clueless, Pavelski isn’t half the player Datysuk is and never will be. Pavelski is a decent player but he is no Datysuk. Your stupid comments are about as silly as the refereeing in that game—which should have sent both of those idiot refs back to the minors, or gotten them both canned, and you writing that slop, grow up!
4-2
Thats the break down between which ways the bad calls listed went four to the wings and two to the sharks. The officiating in the series has been horrible both ways but the Wings are getting the shorter end of the stick and a lot of the time it has resulted in 5 on 3 opportunities for the sharks.
by Tony Preston on May 3, 2010 4:40 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm more bent out of shape over the number of 2-man advantages per game.
10-4 happens. But it used to be that to get a 2-man advantage in the playoffs required bloodshed.
by CPT Hoolie on May 3, 2010 5:10 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
But I argue that 10-4 doesn’t happen. The Sharks are masters of the early exit and they just got 10 power plays. I don’t remember one game in the last 20 years of playoffs for the Wings where they had a game with 10 power plays.
I miss the old back and forth standard of calling penalties.
I agree but...........
I also don’t remember a game where the Wings were soooooooo undiciplined, and even flustered at times in the last 20 years.(I haven’t seen them all like you guys tho)
Not saying they couldn’t have swallowed some of those whistles, but some of those penalties were brainfarts.
Babcock even intimated a similar statement in the postgame presser.
Good points sir. They had some good points on this subject on Yahoo earlier today, too.
I personally think that the Heatley call was the refs perhaps trying to make up for effing up the Bert call so bad. It sucks that his #44 has such a reputation that a player just falls from a bump, Bert gets called. LAME
Things I like to see happen
The Refs from last night to never ref a wings game ever again be it regular season or playoffs, they were bad in every aspect of the game that firing them from the nhl doesn’t sound that extreme of a reaction, but I may be still bitter about them to take it to that extreme
To never having to watch 2 games in which 25 Power Plays are given between the two of them. It’s not hockey and if this is the new NHL count me out I want nothing to do with it.
To never see another Shark dive for the rest of this series, the wings for that matter as well. I said it before and I will say it again I hate diving it has no place in hockey it represents everything bad about sportsmanship. And I’m talking about the obvious diving being done. I think I have it at sharks 5 wings 2 this series, the numbers are probably a little more for each side which makes it worse. PP being 5 for sharks 1 for wings. It should be 0 for both teams
The wings need to be better at the face-off as well, in last nights game I really think that’s the only part the sharks were out playing the wings at. I think/believe the wings out played the Sharks last night and should have left with the win. What bothers me about the refs from last night compare to Game 1 is in Game 1 the Wings were outplayed and collapsed on themselves defensively.
In Game 1 the Sharks shouldn’t have had the 4th goal which came from bad penalties which would have lead to a 3-3 ties at the end of 3. And in Game 2 The Wings shouldn’t have had their 3rd goal (came from the sharks “boarding” call at the end of the first) but at the same time the sharks shouldn’t have had their first or fourth goal of the game since they stemmed for just as worse calls against the wings. The result in a 2-2 tie after 3. Now we could be still looking at 2-0 lead from sharks with all this said in done, but the point is both games should have went to OT both games didn’t and the bad penalties is the reason why (if for no other reason then goals being scored off them)
some food for thought
Posted this one over on the Colorado blog where they are seeing a repeat of their series over here with Detroit:
Yeah, sounds looking at those numbers you guys weren’t offered lube either. Just for shits & giggles I went and looked up regular season stats.
Team/ Total PIM/ Avg/gm
DET / 707 / 8.8
COL / 1001 / 12.5
SJS / 1137 / 14.1
And playoffs:
DET / 123 / 13.9
COL / 63 / 11.2
SJS / 66 / 8.2
So in a matter of 9 games Detroit has almost doubled their PIM/gm and the sharks have cut theirs in half? Numbers don’t lie. Looking up SJS’s numbers for the last few years they’ve never had lower than 13 minutes per game average. They are not all of a sudden a cleaner, better playing team. Whip out the tinfoil hats, as this one can feed conspirators for ages.
by Winger in the desert on May 3, 2010 9:09 PM CDT reply actions
And for the last few years.....
We (Sharks) have had such a good showing due to all of those above described favors
sacrasm
Sorry
But you’re missing a big factor. That big factor being that the avs just weren’t very good. The last 40 minutes of the very strangely ending game 3 looked like a 40 minute power play (with the PPs being pretty average). The puck hardly ever left the zone. So yeah, less penalties, because when you’re in their zone continually, they’re the ones who’ll be taking the penalties.
Throw out the old data
Look at the amount of power play and shorthanded situations of all the teams in the playoffs. EVERY team has a PP and SH differential of less than 4 with just a few exceptions. The Penguins have 6 more PP’s than SH’s, thus Ottawa has 6 less PP’s than SH’s. The Red Wings have 6 less PP’s than SH’s, many of which are very short PP’s. The Sharks have 18 more PP’s than SH’s. EIGHTEEN MORE POWER PLAYS!!!!!!!!! Thus of course Colorado has 12 less PP’s than SH’s. The Sharks are the least penalized team in the post season, but had the 6th most amount of times shorthanded. Maybe it has something to do with the Sharks usually having the puck in the Colorado series, but something seems a little fishy to me.
too many Sharks around
I’ll have to make myself scarce until after the series, maybe. Ugh.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
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There's no point in arguing that the officiating went both ways
because everyone is still spinning it like we’re saying the only reason the Wings lost was because of the refs. It wasn’t. Wings got dominated in the faceoff circle (again), which led to a goal, and just had some plain bad luck with the Lidstrom broken stick goal. The refs had the biggest impact no doubt, but it was a series of other events that led to the loss.
Back off man, I'm a scientist
nice write up for being spot on
but one thing that makes absolutely no sense is back when bettmann (who I cant wait to see go he has done more damage to the sport than anyone) & the NHL implemented all the new obstruction interference & hooking rules which was intended to make the NHL more fan friendly by allowing the stars to shine and have goal scoring go up.
the reasoning behind all the new rules was in most part to damage control that was caused by the lockouts
what baffles my mind is how the hell in the 80’s and 90’s when you had the true NHL with all the hooking and grabbing and interference did you have the stars at the time scoring 60 & 70 & 80 goals per year guys like yzerman, hull, selanne, bure, lemuix, gretzky
fast forward to today with all these neat new rules were you can barely touch the opposing player which was suposed to speed up the game so the stars can be stars yet the top three goal scores stamkos, crosby, ovechkin barley break the 50 goal mark
not only that but the yzerman, hull, selanne, bure, lemuix gretzky had dam near 200 pt seasons yet todays stars barely break the 100 pt mark
some one please explain that to me
also defensive systems improved
New Jersey trapping, better scouting for defense, etc.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
Science nerd and proud of it!
Ever see old replays of the 80's??
There was so much room to shoot on those goalies. They barely took any space in the net with those tiny pads. These early superstars just walked around them to score. You put a guy like Datsyuk, Ovechkin, or Crosby and they would have 300 points in a season. Defensive systems also played a part, but the big thing is the goalie pad size and their athleticism. I really believe that you take any forward in the NHL today and send him back to the 80’s… every single player (minus maybe a few enforcers) could score 50 goals and then some, no problem.
Game 3 wishes
First off, the refs need to let the teams play. There’s no excuse for many of the calls being made. And I’m not just talking about Wings-Sharks, that disallowed goal against Washington in game 7 was horrible. Stop calling every little thing and just let the game play out. San Jose and Detroit could be the best series in this years playoffs, and it’s becoming unwatchable due to the officiating (anyone else reminded of last seasons baseball playoffs?)
Second, something needs to be done about the freaking dive-fest that’s going on right now. Either the players need to stop doing it or the refs need to start handing out penalties. I’ve got nothing against the Sharks (I actually like them as a rival) but watching people like Setoguchi (Just an example. Howard was guilty of it as well) flop around on the ice whenever someone on the other team bumps into him is just painful.
Game 3 wishes
Play the whole game
Score early and score often
Play better defensively and do not give up too many goals
Improve every game thereafter
All goalies dive.
Yes Howard dove, not as bad as Nabokov… nor did he draw a penalty. All he really did was fall backward slowly because of a stick to the face, don’t know whose stick it was either. Nabokov was trying to be Dominik Hasek out there with his two dives.
Pavelski with 16 shots
on goal in 2 games. You can’t give 1 guy that many shots. Its time to make some adjustments. I don’t like the officiating, but this is a situation in which the Wings can control that by moving their feet. I have a feeling that enough complaining has been done to where we will see at least 1 diving unsportsmanlike penalty called in tonight’s game. Wings aren’t playing their game at all.
Great article!!!!
The last game was so bad that I turned off the TV and waited to get the final score posted on the internet. All I want to see is a GOOD GAME played without the bad refs calls!!! I hope the Red Wings win, but more than that, I want to see a good game played. Fire the bad refs! Hockey is no longer a sport when the refs go to “crap”.
I just want to see the diving stop.
As much as the refs were at fault because they took the bait, it has more to do with the divers than anything. They are the ones making the referees look bad out there. It’s difficult to differentiate between a dive and a real penalty in real time, but they do need to do a better job.
The Wings need to support eachother better too. Also I really think something has to be done about the Zetterberg line. It’s getting stale. I also think Bertuzzi should be playing with Datsyuk, and Franzen with either Zetterberg or on a separate line with Filppula. Putting Flip back on his own line could do wonders for their third line. Flip/Franzen/Williams, Dats/Bert/Homer Zetterberg/Cleary/Miller Helm/Draper/Abdelkader.
Just for the record, everytime I call out the Zetterberg line, they have a good game… prove me wrong again boys.
I have never in my life seen such horrid and biased officiating in a hockey game since last years final against the Pittsburgh Penguins.
The two goalie interference calls must have been hallucinations on their part, because surely anyone with eyes could see that there was no interference.
The Sharks actually should have been penalized for all the bad acting they did when diving on every other play and playing it up for the camera. They will never win any Academy awards but they sure fooled the referees huh?
It was truly pathetic and disgusting and it made me sick to watch the game unfold.
It’’s impossible to win any game when the referees are that biased. Anytime penalties are as lopsided as they were in this series you know some sort of fix is in. I really think something needs to be done about this seemingly new problem. This is the 21st century and we have the technology to fix this problem. Can we not look to other sports that have turned to instant reply? Yes, I know they use it on “questionable” goals, but why not take it a step further. Why not go to a red flag system like football where when a really bad call is made the coach can throw out his red flag and have the play reviewed? If they were wrong then the penalty stands and they lose a flag, but if they are right, the penalty goes away and they keep their flag.
This seem reasonable to me. Perhaps one or two red flags per period?
But something surely must be done. If this keeps up you will lose fans who keep this sport alvie.
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