Pavelski outshines Pavel in Sharks 4-3 win
by Casey Richey on May 3, 2010 12:04 AM CDT
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PrintIn a game riddled with horrible officiating and calls on both teams that should never have even been considered, the Sharks capitalized on the chances given to them and took a commanding 2 game to none lead over the Red Wings. The Sharks' Joe Pavelski ended the night with two goals, an assist, 11 shots on goal, and won 13 of 16 draws.
Pavel Datsyuk opened the scoring in the first period with a great individual effort against two Sharks defenders. Datsyuk skated in alone and with a Shark in front and behind him, he curled to his left and then fired off a shot that found the top corner, over Nabokov's glove hand. San Jose got its first of 10 power plays in the game after a questionable goaltender interference call put Justin Abdelkader in the box. With the man advantage, San Jose's Joe Pavelski scored his 8th goal of the playoffs on a slap shot from the blue line. 1:31 later Ryan Clowe scored on a between the legs, spinning shot that beat Howard. Clowe received the pass from Pavelski and was skating backwards towards the net as he shot the puck, putting the Sharks up 2-1.
A huge glove save by Jimmy Howard stopped the bleeding for Detroit and the game returned to an even keel, instead of a Sharks dominated one. Tomas Holmstrom scored his third goal of the playoffs off a deflection on a Brian Rafalski shot. Dany Heatley was in the box for the Sharks when Holmstrom scored, ending the power play woes for the Red Wings.
Nicklas Lidstrom scored two minutes into the second period on a slap shot from the point that rang off the post and in. Lidstrom's 4th goal of the playoffs put the Red Wings up 3-2.
That's when things got a bit interesting. Todd Bertuzzi took a supposed holding call as Marc-Edouard Vlasic tumbled to the ice. With Bertuzzi in the box, Niklas Kronwall hooked Pavelski, giving the Sharks a 5-on-3 power play. Pavelski tapped home a loose puck on the power play for his 9th goal of the postseason and the game tying goal.
The game winning goal came off of a bit of a fluke play. With the puck coming back to the point in the Detroit offensive zone, Nicklas Lidstrom wound up for a shot. On impact with the ice, Lidstrom's stick snapped in half like a twig and Heatley took the puck the other way with a 3-on-1.5 (Lidstrom without a stick). Heatley snapped a shot off from close in on Howard and the rebound kicked right onto the stick of Joe Thornton. Thornton tapped home the rebound for his first goal of the playoffs and the clinching goal for the game.
A late flurry from Detroit was negated after a too many men on the ice penalty put the Wings in a position in which they couldn't pull Howard as easily. Detroit was outshot 45-31 in the losing effort and won only 26 of 69 faceoffs (37.7%) but the game was a lot closer than any of those stats would indicate.
Game 3 is back in Detroit on Tuesday.
Shocking stat of the night: San Jose had a whopping 10 power plays in the game. Detroit had a total of four. Even worse: the officiating.
Player of the game: Pavel Datsyuk. Datsyuk had a goal and an assist to go with 7 shots on net and two takeaways in 22:00+ minutes of ice time.
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painful
the refs were just calling everywhere. i have never seen the red wings struggle this much with penalties before…how is it possible that the red wings, one of the cleanest teams in the league, draw at least 10 penalties in one game?!
this is just ridiculous. sharks also got bad calls from the refs. slashing was a very popular call…i do not like the refs at all.
by forever_rednwhite on May 3, 2010 12:28 AM CDT reply actions
your post just got two minutes for hooking
never seen so many dives in my life. sj is the least likable team we’ve played in a long time. i wouldn’t want to cheer for a team that tries to draw penalties like they do.
by redwingxviii on May 3, 2010 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions
other the the flippula trip & too many men the calls tonight were some of the worst ive ever seen
game one 5 on 3 for SJ
game two 2 5 on 3 for SJ
even if your a sj fan how could feel good about these two wins
please let bil mcreary be one of the reffs on tuesday night PLEASE
hell id rather have don koharski come out of retirement then ever see that shit again
and what the hell is up with babcock just smiling it off how about call the officials over and let them know how upset he is and how they are making a mockery of an NHL playoff game
even if your a sj fan how could feel good about these two wins
If the situation was reversed and the Sharks were on the bad end of this terrible reffing and the Red Wings were up 2 0 are you honestly saying you wouldnt feel good about these two wins? As a Sharks fan I cant help but feel good as I find it hard to get mad after a win. Im not trying to troll or brag I enjoy reading opposing blogs for a different perspective of the game. I just saw this comment and wished to put my two cents in. Hypotheitcal good luck Tuesday
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Dont boo your team!
I’d suggest that we wouldn’t be upset about a win even if it was handed to us by the refs, but I don’t think anyone would agree that we have actually seen proper playoff hockey yet in this series.
If we lost fair and square to the sharks, I’d be upset but I’d get over it after a while, I mean its not like they’re the Ducks, Avs or Blackhawks ;)
But loosing because the refs decided to throw the series to the Sharks is just painful.
And yet
the Red Wings have had chances to win both games, despite the officiating. Playing ineffectively against a team they dominated all season is what’s doing it.
and yes,
playing your PKers for an entire period tends to wear them out. the effect of the horrible officiating is not limited strictly to the time spent shorthanded, it also makes the game much more stressful and tiresome for your key players.
No Limits.
How about this?
If the situation were reversed and it was the Sharks getting 10 penalties to the Red Wings’ 4, you wouldn’t be pissed? We Red Wing fans would be hearing crap from the rest of the league like “the Red Wings get away with everything” and “they are the poster-team for the NHL, so of course they get a lot of PPs”. We’d be hearing crying and whining from every fanbase in the NHL, not just Sharks fans.
If the Wings were up 2-0 like this, I would be happy they were, but I would also realize that it was helped at least in part by the incompetence of the referees, and would feel like it was a gift. Despite the brutal calls (don’t forget the missed high stick on Franzen in Game 1), the Wings have been right there. Imagine if the refs actually call a good game?
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And for the record
I think the refereeing was brutal for the Sharks as well. The Marleau boarding penalty and the Heatley goalie interference penalty were brutal calls.
I will say this: it’s only the fans that are complaining. The Wings (from the quotes I have seen) have all said that they need to be more disciplined. Of course, maybe some of the Sharks could actually stay on their skates after being slightly touched. I swear I have never seen a team “fall down” as much as the Sharks have in these 2 games.
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I would
If it were the Penguins, Ducks, Avalanche, Flyers, any team, I’d be pissed if 10 penalties were called against them in a game, mostly bogus.
pardon the sharks fans
they’re not used to playoff hockey.
bring me back that ANA / DET series, which I think was the best hockey I’ve seen in recent memory.
If DET isn’t going to do it then I hope it’s the Canucks. At least they are fans of good hockey.
All I hear.....
Is how dirty the Ducks are the dirtiest team you guys know of.
How is a series against them considered the best in recent memory?
I just want to uinderstand the logic of that contradiction.
1 for 3 when scoring 3 goals
I thought the Red Wings learned last series that they can’t hold onto a one goal lead while letting the other team dictate play for the remaining eighteen minutes.
Is this the first game of these playoffs that the Wings have lost when Datsyuk scored?
The officiating was completely one-sided
I was able to attend the game and the sharks were slashing, holding, and generally interfering, and no calls. Thornton tried to undress Datsyuk behind the play and the ref literally watched it happen. And the high stick to Howard’s head and no call. Bull-shit
by NorthbayWingsFan on May 3, 2010 12:39 AM CDT reply actions
Thornton got away with some more BS though
Howard took a bit of a dive on the first one, i’ll admit it, but the second one on thornton’s ultra slow (probably as fast as that idiot can move) breakaway howard saved it and thornton took the liberty of just hacking at howard’s face. That kind of BS just shouldnt happen in a game, let alone go uncalled.
by hockeytownwest on May 3, 2010 6:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Horseshit
I was at the game too. The officiating has been bad on BOTH sides of the puck. They are calling stuff they shouldn’t and not calling what they should on either team. At least the officiating is consistently bad so far in this series.
And before you whine some more, are you going to tell me that Heatley’s “interference with the goaltender” was non-existent? Both sides were getting away with all kinds of holding and slashing. But I suppose that Blake’s stick getting snapped in half by, who was it, Cleary, wasn’t a slash really? Get over yourself, you Bay Area traitor.
Fact of the matter is, in both games, as the tempers of the Wings got the better of them, they have ended up more in the box.
North bay Wings fan? Guess what? Detroit can have you back, please pack up your stuff & head on back “home” to Detroit. We don’t need ya.
GO SHARKS !!!
by UltimatePredator on May 3, 2010 3:00 AM CDT up reply actions
This argument
is getting really old. We are ALL saying there were terrible calls on both sides. The Marleau call was awful, as was the Heatley call. But that doesn’t change the fact there were far more terrible calls against Detroit, and far more game-impacting calls. The Heatley and Marleau calls were probably makeup calls, as they both negated parts of Detroit penalties.
Not one person has justified those calls or thought they were legit. They were awful. Terrible. Should not happen. But they were also clearly attempts to even the disparity in the officiating. There were ten, TEN, penalties called on the Wings. Most of those were 1) accompanied by a diving SJ player, and/or 2) phantom, non-existent, and entirely bewildering. There were only a few calls that seemed legit, and most of those were borderline (Filpulla’s was legit, stick in the wrong place at wrong time).
Tempers has nothing to do with it. Tempers is a factor when players are running other players, not getting calls like tripping, slashing, etc. The few legit tripping calls were in large part Detroit players scrambling, given that they looked entirely gassed after having to kill so many damn penalties.
You were given a gift tonight. I’d shut your mouth, enjoy it, and hope the Wings won’t be able to overcome it.
dats crosscheck was legit
thats the only other one i remember being legit, but i also only saw a good 6-7 of the penalties called
Go fuck yourself!
We said the officiating is aweful on both sides. Do you know what hockey is, or how to type fearthefin.com? That’s a SJ Sharks blog, in case your wondering. I’m done with you. troll.
by BeardedPlayoffJesus19 on May 3, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Officiating
To start the game, the Red Wings had to kill a penalty.
Immediately after Datsyuk scored the first goal, Abdelkader was called for a penalty. The Sharks scored on it (the Red Wings still need to do better killing penalties) and quickly took the lead even strength.
With the Sharks in the lead for just under a minute, the Red Wings were given a power play, which they capitalized on, tying the game.
The Sharks got the next power play but were unable to capitalize before a Shark took a boarding penalty at the end the first, to even the power play.
The Red Wings scored just as the resulting power play ended.
With the Red Wings up a goal, the Sharks got two power plays in the second period, but were unable to capitalize.
To start the third period, the Red Wings were given their third and penultimate power play of the game, lasting just shy of two minutes, before it was negated by the first of two penalties called against Red Wings players in short succession, giving the Sharks a 5 on 3 for over a minute.
The Sharks scored on the first 5 on 3 and were rewarded with another 5 on 3, albeit for 8 seconds.
The Red Wings killed the remaining two penalties and the referees did not call anymore penalties until a fluky play gave the Sharks the lead again. The Sharks were given a power play and it was taken away just as quickly. Not surprisingly, neither team scored on their 11 seconds of power play time.
With the Sharks up by a goal and 1:04 remaining, the Sharks were again given a power play, but could not score when the Red Wings were finally able to pull their goaltender for some 5 on 5 time to end the game.
In the beginning, the calls went back and forth: a goal for the Wings equaled a penalty for the Wings, while two goals for the Sharks equaled a penalty for the Sharks. Near the end, though, with the Sharks leading, the stakes were too high to give the Red Wings a real power play chance.
Time shorthanded (assuming I did my math right)
Red Wings: 17:22 (28.9% of the game)
Sharks: 5:11 (8.6% of the game)
you arent going to win when you are in the box that much
i dont think you can blame the wings special teams that much. they killed EIGHT powerplays, and one of the PP goals was a 5-3. so i think they did good in that phase, granted you can always improve. either way there were bad calls on both sides of the team, more so the wings (shark fans cant disagree with that).
hopefully officiating will be better, after all thats all we can do. and seriously, can brad watson give us anymore reasons to fucking hate him.
and another note, i dont blame the sharks for diving, obviously the refs are blind and arent going to call it, so why stop?
Because it makes them look like douches
Part of me wants the Wings to start diving, but my more diehard side thinks something in me would die a little if the Wings started doing that consistently. Jimmy’s flop was funny at the time (if only because it exaggerated the absurdity of that game), but I wouldn’t want to see that on a regular basis. Hasek drove me nuts with that stuff. I think there’s a difference between selling a call and a flat out dive.
yeah well like i said, they are doing it because they get away with it
im not saying i want to the wings to do it, because it annoys me as well. just pointing out, obviously they dont care and they are going to keep doing it till it gets called.
Don't get me wrong, i agree with what you've said
and that’s why part of me wouldn’t be upset to see the Wings even up the score with some dives of their own. But then we probably would actually get called for diving. And, like you said, I don’t really want to see that become a consistent part of the Wings game anyway.
I’m honestly shocked by what I’ve seen form SJ so far. I never, never, never thought of SJ as divers. But now it’s like there’s a sniper in the building and when a Red Wing gets near a Shark player the sniper snipes. POW! Sharks player falls to the ice in a heap. And the rolls around, trying to locate the wound….and then gets up and is entirely fine.
And Nabokov, really? Geez.
From a CBC article
The Sharks were aided by a surprisingly undisciplined Red Wings team
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/stanleycup/Wr2-1/story/2010/05/02/sp-wings-sharks.html#ixzz0mtg1Ay9X
Of course the Sharks fans feel great because their team has been helped to a 2-0 lead in the series and they hope to actually shake their playoff choker reputation.
I still hate them all. And the philosophy of the league that permits this kind of incompetence to persist with the lame excuse “well, it’s the same for every team” when it isn’t.
Easier to win when you are on a power play for a third of the game.
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A Letter to My Love
Dear NHL,
I feel like I don’t know you anymore. We used to be so close. I know you’ve gone through a lot lately. Heck, no one could expect you to be the same, I guess. But we loved you and this is how you’re going to let it end? In 1994 you only lived up to half of our expectations (48 games to be exact). You worked things out and were supposed to have it all fixed by 1998, but you didn’t. You begged and begged for a second chance, and you got it. We gave you until 2004 to address the issues in our relationship. Again, you failed us. That cost us an entire year of being with you. Still, you managed to claw back from the brink, although you just haven’t been the same since. We’ve steadily witnessed you cross us again and again. First, you stopped showing up for our regular dates. We just couldn’t see you anymore without having to go out of our way. Then you stopped getting physical with us. We used to love how you didn’t take no crap… Now any little thing gets called out. You used to be so dirty. What happened? Now all you care about is scoring. What happened to the “foreplay”? We feel like maybe you’re seeing other people. There seem to be a lot of pretty “ladies” hanging around with you these days and we don’t like it. We’re willing to give you one more chance, but that’s it. If you let us down again, I’m sure we’ll still see you around but the spark just won’t be there. Shhh…don’t speak. We don’t believe you anymore. Actions speak louder than words and action is all that can save US now. I hope you’ll listen to what we’ve had to say and realize that all those “pretty girls” you’ve been letting have their way with you lately are just pretty faces. We may not be “Hollywood”, but we’ve been here through all the hard times. This is it! If you can’t get it right then we can’t be with you anymore…
Love,
The Fans
-Note-This “letter” is meant to address the complete breakdown of what the NHL/NHL playoffs is supposed to be about. It is in no way related to the most recent Wings game. It is a humorous concept that I have been working on for some time. Yes, I am a Wings fan, however I have witnessed many a team and it’s fans suffer because of this destruction of our sport (most recently Ottawa). The NHL has become a league of “Hollywood” primadonnas. Pavel Datsyuk doesn’t dive or bitch when he doesn’t get a call. Mark Messier never cried like a little baby when things didn’t go his way. Rest assured that if Wendel Clark ever took a run at someone he could expect to receive a fist or two in exchange. This league used to be about MEN playing the most physical ad at the same time skilled sport known to man. Now it’s about selling advertisements to Reebok to regrow the fan base that the league itself pissed away. I guess the league is also interested in paying the salaries of some of the WORST cameramen I have ever seen in professional sports (thanks Versus!!) Way to pigeonhole yourself NHL. ESPN had some of the best coverage of any sport I have ever seen. This letter is meant to represent all FANS of hockey…so if you like it, feel free to post it on your team’s blog or your facespace or mybook or whatever! It’s time we, the fans, let the NHL know that we want our sport back. We’re sorry you screwed up, but don’t fundamentally change our game because you don’t know how to run a business. Don’t sell us out to Joe Sunbelt (no offense Phoenix fans…not that you’re reading anymore). You know, the only diving Bobby Orr did was in game four of the 1970 Stanley Cup Final. Where the hell is Darren Pang? Why is there some weird trapezoid behind the goal? When can the players expect to be tasked with shooting the t-shirt cannons during intermission? You know what NHL, let’s just add a few more awards. For starters we could have the Greg Louganis award (read into that what you will). It’s time to stop pandering to fairweather hockey fans and give us the game that we love…
good season wings
I hate to be a pessimist but it comes naturally.
In spite of what’s happened over the last couple of games I still think the Sharks have the ability/talent to win a game or two over the Wings without help from the refs, but they haven’t had to do that yet and are already up 2-0. I’ve also already remarked elsewhere that our season is over if we can’t win at home, so my guess is we’ll either be swept or go back to San Jose down 3-1.
Someone should give Mike Babcock a(nother) medal, I would have started throwing shit on the ice by the time that game was done. I don’t know as I can really say all that much about the penalty situation that hasn’t already been said (and I know I’m biased) but frankly, someone should lose their job for this.
I was still kind of upbeat after Game 1, since we played well and the winning goal hinged on a questionable call the likes of which I had stupidly thought San Jose wouldn’t be able to depend on for the rest of the series. Now its happened again and I find it difficult to take this series seriously anymore. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a game called this tightly (especially against only one of the teams) in the 12 years I’ve been following hockey, and CERTAINLY not in a playoff game. IIRC, this is something like 25 penalties over 2 games, which is downright ridiculous no matter who you are. There is no place for reffing like that, especially not in the Stanley Cup Playoffs.
No Limits.
of course the Sharks have the ability to win a game on their own
That’s why only fans high on crack were predicting a sweep; most had this as a well-played entertaining 6 or 7 game series, not an artificially-shortened referee shit-fest.
And never assume the officiating can’t get worse. 10 penalties is one thing – I have no doubt they are capable of calling 15 and ejecting Zetterberg for a hit as well. They don’t toss players from games for hits to the head that should call for it, so why not toss a player for something that doesn’t? Symmetry.
Every offseason I wrestle more and longer with what a waste of time the NHL is. This display might be enough to put me over the edge this summer.
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not over yet
just need lidstrom to score from center ice, right?
Only thing worse...
Than the officiating, was the camera work… and that’s saying a lot.
My wife got pissed at me
because I kept yelling “stop f-ing zooming in! you’re doing way more work than you need to and I can’t see what the f is going on!”
between that terrible camera work and those idiot announcers (“I think franzen got cut by setoguchi’s visor”), I can’t wait to have Ken and Mick and the rest of the crew at FSN Detroit back. Those guys know how to broadcast and call a hockey game
by hockeytownwest on May 3, 2010 7:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Man what a crazy series..
I’m over here from FTF and i’m actually kinda impressed by some of you guys. While every single man woman and.. [mostly] child are bitching about the ‘one sidedness’ to the refs in other places, you guys in here are actually pretty damn on top of things and realizing its not all the refs fault that the Sharks are up 2-0 in this series.
Game 2 was marked with some of the most blatantly terrible calls and non-calls i’ve ever seen, on both sides… and I’d be spewing utter crap to say that the wings were not getting at least 2 or 3 of those calls yesterday called out of line… both bertuzzi calls (as much as I think he should be in jail – just IMO) were pretty bad, and the GI on Abdelkader was pretty poor – i’ll even admit that Nabokov probably embellished a little of that one…
That said, the call on heatley was so bad, that had that happened to a Detroit player, I would have surely called that crap myself… however… it at least probably made up for a no-call or 2 earlier in the matchup, so eh.. what are you going to do.
- * * *
I personally think that had the wings done better on faceoffs, and played with a bit more speed out of the gate, they could have taken this game still… they cycled the puck well and got mostly quality shots on Nabokov that he had to really try to save. Holmstrom was pissing me off most of the 2nd period with how well he was screening Nabby… surely frustrating, and it shows how skilled Detroit is at the little things. so it’s just an attest to how evenly matched this series is, and how i’m still very nervous about these next 2 games at the Joe… I definitely do not want to drop 2 at the joe and come back to California in game 5 needing 2 more wins… but it’s not out of question to think that might just happen. I’m very confident when I say that the Sharks need at least 1 win under the Octopus to take this series…
Some of my homies are calling for a sweep. My broom’s staying in my garage even if the sharks actually pulled off such a feat. I See this game ending in 6 or 7 games almost no matter what… and I’m excited to see how it all goes.
See you in a couple of nights Detroiters. Go Sharks.
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well said SC87
unfortunately it is too level headed and fair for a reply, most of the wings fans on here only reply if you call them out for making excuses for their team losing to a better team the last 2 games! ah well, what can ya do?
Go Sharks.
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
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by Jay Fin Anderson on May 3, 2010 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions
intentional assault > stupid drunken mistake
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
"He (Iginla) thinks he’s a pretty tough guy, so why not?" ~ Ryan Clowe
by Jay Fin Anderson on May 3, 2010 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Stupid drunken mistake doesn’t make it any better. And if memory serves, he was below the legal limit but still drove like that.
i guess it is a tale of 2 evils
one is a malicious intent to injure sort of thing while the other is a reckless careless act (or series of actions).
both are great hockey players though, and fun to watch.
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
"He (Iginla) thinks he’s a pretty tough guy, so why not?" ~ Ryan Clowe
by Jay Fin Anderson on May 3, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
either way
in both cases, bertuzzi was not like “gee i hope i break this guys neck and end his career” just as heatley wasnt like “gee i hope i end up crashing and kill someone due to extensive injury”
Haha.
Damn you for making me like you. You’re killing my vitriol, brah.
Not becoming of Detroit fans
Sheesh, the Sharks outskate us, out shoot us, and take two thirds of the faceoffs…. We get out muscled most of the game. We get a “too many men on the ice” at a crucial point in the 3rd, wack a stick in half in the 3rd… and all I see is this pathetic whining that the ref’s stole the game from us.
I read the blogs from Colorado during the last series they had with the Sharks, and we sound exactly like them.
Suck it up, weenies. We’re getting outplayed. It’s not the ref’s.
Someone noticed that Babcock and the Wings are not crying about the ref’s… only the fans. Maybe there’s a lesson here.
by Albo's Journal on May 3, 2010 9:43 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
arkanfel is right
Plus, no one is letting the Wings off the hook. But I thoroughly disagree that the Wings have been outskated and outmuscled. We’ve been talking about faceoffs (especially defensive zone faceoffs) frequently here. And I maintain, we have been the better team 5-5 in this series. SJ has outplayed us at times 5-5, but overall when both teams are at full strength I think we’ve been better. And I thought we were able to overcome the weak calls and dives in the first period. Going into the third, and coming out all over SJ, I figured we’d get that 4th goal sooner or later. Instead, they make that holding call (how the hell is that holding? at least make the penalty sound reasonable) on Bertuzzi with 15 minutes left in the third, that leads to a 5-3, and the eventual shit-fest we saw for the rest of the third.
The only way to gauge the extent to which refereeing effects the outcome of a game is to watch what the calls do to the game. The calls in the third dictated the flow of the game, the momentum of the game, and yes, eventually the outcome of the game. Were there opportunities where the Wings could have put themselves up further, and maybe that 5-3 would not have hurt as bad? Absolutely. Could we have avoided a goal or two against by winning faceoffs? Absolutely. The refs are not the reason the Wings loss this game, but they certainly are one of the reasons why the Wings didn’t win. I’ve never seen a game called like that. Ever. Period. And so one-sidedly.
easily half of the posts on this post game
are directly aimed at bitching about the reffing. Albo makes a good point, this board is sounding like a fanbase who cares more about making excuses than about talking hockey right now.
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
"He (Iginla) thinks he’s a pretty tough guy, so why not?" ~ Ryan Clowe
by Jay Fin Anderson on May 3, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
almost as much as our fan base hates excuses.
at least the wings captain gets it:
"We put ourselves in penalty problems again and they got the tying goal on a five-on-three, so we have to do a better job of not being in the box. We have to keep our sticks down and keep moving our feet," said Lidstrom.
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
"He (Iginla) thinks he’s a pretty tough guy, so why not?" ~ Ryan Clowe
by Jay Fin Anderson on May 3, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
"both teams played hard"
the post-game interview is a great source of information!
by redwingxviii on May 3, 2010 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
oh my bad
for assuming the guys who actually played the game had a better perspective than mr. fan.
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
"He (Iginla) thinks he’s a pretty tough guy, so why not?" ~ Ryan Clowe
by Jay Fin Anderson on May 3, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
dude
albo is not even a regular. he just made his account to pose as a wing fan to talk. are you the opinion police? want an editor position? i read a lot of comments saying PPs were not THE reason we lost. please, ignore what he said in which you are replying to to continue the facade that we are blaming it all on the refs. we all know this is a strong matchup. wings and sharks have a history going back to that dark year of 1994. all i can say, is that if the sharks had 10 penalties to the wings 4, i can guarantee a lot of comments about how lucky the wings are to be buddy buddy with the nhl. being 0-2 means shit with a matchup like this.
funny enough
i think a majority of the sharks fan base is fairly jaded, and would not so much blame the reffing as the sharks doing their yearly collapse.
thats the difference between these 2 teams and their fans- we are used to losing when it matters, because our players have failed to step up. detroit is used to winning when it matters because your players have stepped it up. it is easier for detroit fan to blame the ref, as his players usually win, and how could the winged wheel lose?
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
"He (Iginla) thinks he’s a pretty tough guy, so why not?" ~ Ryan Clowe
by Jay Fin Anderson on May 3, 2010 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
You've GOT to be kidding me...
All I ever hear from opposing fans when I go out to watch a game is how the wings get all the calls, the refs are on their side, blah, blah, blah…If the shoe was on the other fin you’d be crying like sidney crosby about how it just isn’t fair…
I pretty much agree with the below statement that diaspora intimated earlier.The last line could have been ommited
i think a majority of the sharks fan base is fairly jaded, and would not so much blame the reffing as the sharks doing their yearly collapse.
thats the difference between these 2 teams and their fans- we are used to losing when it matters, because our players have failed to step up. detroit is used to winning when it matters because your players have stepped it up. it is easier for detroit fan to blame the ref, as his players usually win, and how could the winged wheel lose?
We are very accustomed to losing
and to winning. Game 7 last year? C’mon, we are well aware of the humanity of our team. The wings loss in game 2 was aided (undoubtedly) by the lopsided calls. That shouldn’t be disputable. Is that why the Sharks won? No. Is that why Detroit loss? No. Did it help the Sharks win and help Detroit lose? Of course. That’s really all that needs to be said at this point. Bring on game 3.
rec'd
come detroit. act like you’ve been here before.
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
"He (Iginla) thinks he’s a pretty tough guy, so why not?" ~ Ryan Clowe
by Jay Fin Anderson on May 3, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
we have been here before
“here” being the 2nd round of the playoffs. welcome.
btw many of us like Stevie Y a lot simply because he played hockey with broken legs and broken feet. Compare him to Devin Setoguchi, who is the biggest joke in the league. That’s not hockey.
Your 2010 sharks: Take the fall! Act hurt! Get indignant!
by redwingxviii on May 3, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Give me a break
All athlete sell calls, it’s part of the game and attempts to gain an advantage in the game.
Draper’s “collapse” in game one leading a call against the Shark was not a sell job right.
"All athletes sell calls"
It can be part of your game.
I don’t want the Wings to play like a bunch of pussies. If Draper takes a dive, I hope he gets called for diving.
I’m in favor of the diving penalty, which apparently they had to institute a few years back because of fans like you that want this shit in the game.
by redwingxviii on May 3, 2010 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
well good for you.
>_< mmmmmmmmm. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
close your eyes and pretend it doesnt happen on every team in hockey.
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
"He (Iginla) thinks he’s a pretty tough guy, so why not?" ~ Ryan Clowe
by Jay Fin Anderson on May 3, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Neither the Sharks nor the RWs
are “dirty” teams but many players sell call. The most blatant are soccer players followed by NBA players (even great ones like Kobe and Michael). Hockey and football player do the same…many a hockey players have “fallen” as soon as they feel a stick on their legs…Sharks and RWs included.
really? really?
apparently sarcasm doesnt translate, or youve never heard that expression before. i know detroit has been here before, thats all i ever hear detroit fans crowing about. (until now, when all i see is whining about how bad the ref’s are).
everyone likes the gladiator players, we have a few on our side as well, clowe, pavs, malhotra, marleau, murray… but to site one players as an example of how all “good” players act is ridiculous. franzen flailed in game one to draw an interference. howard has been flailing. it is part of competition, looking for an edge.
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
"He (Iginla) thinks he’s a pretty tough guy, so why not?" ~ Ryan Clowe
by Jay Fin Anderson on May 3, 2010 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
there's a difference
there’s a difference between it happening (howard tried to draw one) and cheering for it.
red wings fans are fine with losing, for the record. no one thinks this is the best red wings team, and the sharks are plenty good. no one disputes the red wings should have better pks, should be better in the face off circle, etc etc. might you win this series? of course. would have said that before game 1. it’s possible. i’m just disappointed i have to watch your pussy team flail all over the ice. i sincerely hope the red wings don’t resort to it.
btw “malhotra the gladiator” is the dumbest post i’ve read on this website. i’m not bothering visiting your page.
by redwingxviii on May 3, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
What?
Which Shark fan is cheering for it? Go show me one post on FTF where such “cheering” exists. We are only having this discussion because the RW fans here (and elsewhere) are playing victim and screaming about how the refs are stealing games away.
You are telling me that if the situation was reverse (which I anticipate will happen in game 3), you would come back here and decry how the ref was so awful and that the RW did not deserve to win? Of course not…
i wouldn't be on your website arguing we won in a respectable manner
that’s the difference.
by redwingxviii on May 3, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah, in fact if you read a bunch of the stuff people are saying the officiating is horrible and the Sharks calls were not legit either. Read the context buddy.
by Casey Richey on May 3, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
hadnt watched malhotra much before this season,
he has been a warrior all year for san jose though.
our “pussy team” is beating the red wings.thats the bottom line.
that san jose is moving their feet more, playing the physical game and wearing down the wings is probably a larger factor in the disparity in calls than anything.
“and cheering for it” who is? can you site an example?
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
"He (Iginla) thinks he’s a pretty tough guy, so why not?" ~ Ryan Clowe
by Jay Fin Anderson on May 3, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually
Phoenix was more physical, and quicker than SJ has been. So I don’t think that’s the problem.
or
could the fact that san jose plays a similar puck possesion game to detroit, which usually forces the defense into the kind of penalties detroit has taken lately, while phx plays more run and gun style? though phx is a faster team, and was really throwing th body around, their style of play allowed the wings to sit back and control the puck, not getting drawn into bad situations caused by extended puck control by the other team.
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
"He (Iginla) thinks he’s a pretty tough guy, so why not?" ~ Ryan Clowe
by Jay Fin Anderson on May 3, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Again
Phoenix’ style frustrates puck possession hockey. Their incessant forecheck didn’t allow us to sit back and control the puck. So again, I don’t think that’s the problem.
You don’t have to justify the disparity. It’s been good for you, bad for us, not much else to be said. If I were you I’d stop trying to justify and just be happy that it has at least helped you get up 2-0.
"cheering for it"
cheering for it is going onto this site and pretending that your team plays in a respectable fashion. your only argument so far is that “every team does it.” Did howard do it last night? Yes. If we win a game that way, I’m sure plenty of wings fans will say “we won do it horseshit calls on acting jobs.” I don’t think we’ll be arguing the warrior-like mentality of some nobody that never fulfilled any of his hype.
and i think for the most part, red wings fans are blaming the sharks players for diving more than the refs. Were the Marleau and Heatley calls bad? Yes. But the Wings weren’t acting like they were shot after those plays. Which is unlike pussies like Nichol that barrel roll into the cage to sell a call. Check that play out, he knew he was going to fake it before he even got hit.
So again – the refs make bad calls. They made bad calls both ways last night. The Sharks are a good team and did many hockey things right, and better than the Wings in many instances too. I don’t know what the score “should have been” or what the series “should be.” We’re down 2-0, perhaps deservingly.
But what I don’t like is that the Sharks look to be goading the refs into making bad calls. That’s why the diving penalty exists, and hockey was a sport that did without it for many years. Your “every team does it” is a pathetic response from a hockey fan. That’s my point.
And just to reiterate, I know that Howard tried to sell one yesterday and I don’t want him to be a pussy either. I want the Wings to win because they are a good hockey team, or I want the Wings to lose to a good hockey team. I’m not supporting Euro soccer or NBA like play.
by redwingxviii on May 3, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
hmmm
cheering for it is going onto this site and pretending that your team plays in a respectable fashion.
a few guys embellishing penalties to make sure they are called doesnt negate the fact that san jose, detroit, pittsburgh, chicago, etc etc also play legit respectable hockey. of course i would like to be a purist and pretend no one does sneaky shit like call out the other team in the media for diving to sway the ref’s favor in future games- but that is how professional sports goes. every competitive edge possible is pushed to its limit. most of the time when a guy gets kicked off the faceoff, he was cheating. it happens. the best are the best because they find any and every way to win.
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
"He (Iginla) thinks he’s a pretty tough guy, so why not?" ~ Ryan Clowe
by Jay Fin Anderson on May 3, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd even go as far as saying....
that bitching about a missed/blown call did Babcock no favors.
Babs didn’t take a similar approach last night, even though complaining about the officiating was more called for than after game 1.
I couldnt
get on here for awhile this morning. I had to go buy a new remote this morning. This is absolutely terrible. No other series got stuck with these piss poor refs. Every other series the officials are letting them play.. Remember how the playoffswere suppose to be? You can argue they should have won more faceoff.. yes they should have, but however that didnt create the outcome.
No team can win a game or a series when they have 10 pk’s, im impressed that they keep it within one. You would think in a tight third period they would let the teams play, nope douche bag could stop blowin… this isnt the NBA dont predict the outcome.
Cries of "unfairness"
After seeing all the RW fans’ complaints about the calls…I went back and looked at a number of penalty calls against the RW. Tell me why I should for the RWs?
Video:
TSN: http://watch.tsn.ca/nhl/clip296902#clip296902
0:25: Abdelkader’’s interference call in the 1st period: Clearly interference-crosses the crease and knocks Nabokov over (even the commenter agrees)
1:25: Bertuzzi interference…clearly extends his arm and pushes Nabby causing Nabby to fall over…a little of a sell job by Nabokov maybe but not that much of one.
1:50: Bertuzzi holding in the 3rd…Some embellishment by the Sharks player but Bertuzzi got his stick in between the Sharks’ player’s legs…easy call
1:55: Kronwell clearly puts his stick between Pavelski’s legs and hooks…another easy call.
NHL highlights: http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?hlg=20092010,3,232&navid=sb:highlights
6:49: Flippula’s trip in the 3rd: Also an easy call…shove stick into legs/skates.
Legit calls not on video:
Cleary’s slash in the 3rd: Easy call-Blake’s stick shattered
Too Many Men: Easy Call
Non-calls on the video
TSN Video:
0:59: Cross-checking on Ericsson not called
1:06: Holstrom’s screen of Nabby is borderline interference but no call → RW goal
NHL Highlight:
6:19/6:33/6:43: Holstrom hooking of Clowe
Non-calls not on video:
Stuart’s mugging of Pavelski after the Sharks’ third goal
Bad calls against Sharks:
Marleau’s "boarding" call in the 2nd (goal by RW)
Heatley’s "interference" in the third
Conclusions:
5 of the 10 RW penalties were obvious and clear calls
2 of the 10 had some Sharks embellishment but 1) don’t put your stick between people legs (like extending your arms for an NFL OL), 2) don’t stick out your arm to shove people, and 3) do not do 1 or 2 if you are Todd Bertuzzi.
(don’t know about the remaining three calls…no video and did not see)
At 4 non-calls that could have gone against the RW (3 were blatant)
At least 2 call against the Sharks that were not good (esp. the Heatley call)
Do I think the refs are great? No but they are not horrible either. The RWs are clearly a step behind the Sharks at time and using their sticks to slow down Shark players (i.e. sticks between the legs).
i was hoping you would post this here.
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
"He (Iginla) thinks he’s a pretty tough guy, so why not?" ~ Ryan Clowe
by Jay Fin Anderson on May 3, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Do I think the refs are great? No but they are not horrible either.
Really?
As for borderline interference on Holmstrom, yeah not so much idiot.
As for Stuart/Pavelski thing, I guarantee you if it were the other way around and it was a Shark doing that, you’d go “YEAH! THATS THE WAY TO PLAY HOCKEY!”
What you Sharks fans don’t get, no matter how many times it is repeated—is that we’re saying the officiating is horrible BOTH WAYS! The interference calls on Bertuzzi and Heatley were practically identical in terms of the “harm” done yet you call it a bad call on Heatley? It’s called seeing things in your own team’s favor. If you want to talk Sharks, go to Fear the Fin. If you want to bitch more, stay here but expect to be hounded.
by Casey Richey on May 3, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Hound away..
I didn’t come here to feel good about myself
Re Stuart/Pavelski…okay but it’s still a non-call that is arguable a penalty.
Bertuzzi’s interference is not like Heatley’s…Bertuzzi actually extended his arm and basic push/punched Nabokov in the face. Heatley took the puck the front of the net and then got pushed into Howard by a RW player. How is that the same?
umm because the Sharks player is the one who made the primary contact with an already off balance Nabokov.
by Casey Richey on May 3, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I will disagree with you
But assuming your statement is true…the two calls even themselves out. Where is the outcry regarding the RW being shafted by the refs.
because the Bertuzzi one lead to a power play goal maybe?
by Casey Richey on May 3, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Hindsight
The effects of a penalty does not change the legitimacy of that penalty being called.
The Marleau “boarding” call also lead to a goal.
Yeah but you asked why we were upset about the call did you not? And the call on Bertuzzi lead to another penalty that in all likelihood would NOT have happened because the puck wouldn’t have been in the Detroit zone on a power play for SJ.
As for the Marleau penalty, if you read the game thread the majority of people did NOT agree with the call.
by Casey Richey on May 3, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Hindsight again
You can’t argue that the second penalty (which was legit) would not have happened but for the first…that’s playing the what if game.
My point on the Marleau’s penalty is that it evened the perceive bad call for the Bertuzzi interference which lead to a Sharks goal.
Umm yeah I can argue the second penalty
Would you really say that the second penalty would have happened if the first one wasn’t called? Hindsight, sure, but the fact is that the penalty on Bertuzzi put the Sharks on the advantage and thus the reason for Kronwall’s penalty.
by Casey Richey on May 3, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Of course you can argue that
The Kronwall penalty occurred on the PK. That entire situation is avoided if Bertuzzi doesn’t go to the box with a phantom call. It’s as simple as recognizing that games unfold as they do because particular actions occur. That is why makeup calls are such BS. The context of the game has already been changed in a way that makeup calls can’t account for.
No Bertuzzi penalty, no 5-4, that play doesn’t happen because the conditions for it happening never occurred.
That’s not hindsight. It’s basic logic. And even if Kronwall committed another penalty at some point in the third, it doesn’t make it a 5-3 like what happened last night, where the Sharks score the game tying goal. These are big, big moments that the zebras are giving the Sharks 5-3s. Big moments.
No, it's revisionist thinking
you guys are saying as if teams/players are expected to commit penalties once they are on the PK…so most 5 on 4 should turn into 5 on 3 because players are placed in a bad position by the first penalty.
The second penalty is largely an independent act…yes the RWs were on the PK but PKs are part of the game. PK players are not expected to commit penalties…they are expected to kill penalties.
yes, but what we are saying more or less is that it should not have been a 5 on 3. you can argue the second might have happened, but without the first bogus call it would have just been 5 on 4. is that good enough for you?
by Casey Richey on May 3, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
It's similar to Game 1
Setoguchi high sticks Franzen, but no call. So the Sharks get a PP, where Setoguchi draws a penalty. Now, had the initial call been correct, Setoguchi would never have been out on the ice to draw another penalty. Also, it would not have been a PP, so there would have been no 5-on-3.
The initial missed call sets in motion a chain of events that resulted in the tying goal. The first call has to be a good one, which it was not. That led to the succession of penalties because the Sharks were able to control play. Puck possession = less likely to take penalties.
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Keep the two separate
Game 1 is game 1…game 2 is game 2
As I said…you are playing a what-if revisionist history game…bad penalties happen all the time…PKs are part of the game…that’s why PK players get to clear the puck without icing so to give them some assistance to kill penalties…
According to your logic…most PK should end up being 5 on 3 because it is expected that a PK player will commit a penalty on the PK…which is simply not true. Kronwell got caught out of position and hooked Pavelski…it’s largely an independent act.
It's separate
but similar situations. That was my point. I have no problems with either penalty that was called once the RW were on the PK. Both were bad penalties. But the initial penalty that put them in that situation should have not been called. If you can’t see that the first bad call set up the circumstances for the second penalty to happen, then there is no discussing this with you. That’s the point we are making.
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That isn’t what their logic is saying at all. Due to bad calls, they are down one player, then due to a good call, they are down two. Yes the penalty may be an independent act, but they wouldn’t be down two if the refs were doing their job properly.
The bad calls aren’t just happening with this series tho. Take a look at the other games going on – everyone is complaining. It is what it is. And you just have to hope your team can adjust to it.
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I don't know why this is difficult to get
You are not understanding at all what we’ve said. No one said that players are expected to commit penalties once they are on the PK. What? Where did you get that?
The second penalty was an independent act, but the condition that made it possible was the Bertuzzi penalty. It’s like the basic time-travel movie. Guy goes back in time, changes one little thing, and it changes the entire future. That’s all I’m saying. That a bogus penalty changes more than just the next two minutes of the game, because it changes (not to sound overly dramatic) the future. Kronwall’s penalty was a possibility that could be realized only because the conditions necessary for it to happen did. No 5-4, pucks and players are not in that same place in that exact situation.
The conditions of possibility for the Kronwall penalty was that Detroit was on the PK, a situation they would not be in if the Bertuzzi penalty is not called.
Okay...
Again…bad calls are part of the game…it happens…you can’t justify a penalty because a bad call was made previously.
Should the RW not get the goal for the bad penalty that Marleau was called for? Or I could argue that the Heatley bad call negated the Sharks from scoring a 5th goal..
Actually, most 5-on-4s should turn into 5-on-3s because penalty killers tend to run lots of interference (and slashing, holding, hooking, crosschecking). For the most part, when a team is already shorthanded, the zebras overlook minor infractions because a team is basically guaranteed to score 5-on-3, which is by definition game-changing.
Referees tend to avoid that, just like they tend to even up all their calls.
Two calls even themselves out?
OK, where were the other six penalties the Sharks deserved to even out the game then?
I'm not going to nit-pick like that
Besides, you don’t even point out any instances when your precious Sharks got away with penalties, though you went through the trouble of pointing out the Staurt “mugging” and the “interference” by Homer on one goal which “should have been called”.
That's fine
Non-calls are non-call…I only brought them up because RW fans are stating that the ref are against them…
Focus on the penalties called…which ones were not legit ?
Makeup calls
Do NOT even it up. Ever. Which is why they are a joke. Once a crap call has been made the damage is already done.
In response to your enumerated points
IT’S PLAYOFF FREAKING HOCKEY!!! If you fall down, fine, but don’t expect the refs to bail you out everytime you fall. I saw a hard-fought Wings/Coyotes series with pushes and shoves from people “sticking their arms out” constantly, like every shift. I remember watching Zetterburg continually knocked down from behind but manage to keep possession of the puck and generate opportunities. It’s called playoff hockey. Little shoves to the back aren’t supposed to be penalties. A stick in between the legs isn’t always a penalty either.
I can’t believe you can possibly say the refs weren’t horrible. When HALF the penalties called in the game (on both sides) are ticky-tack, phantom, or a result of a player diving, the refs are horrible. We all expect a bad call or two once in awhile. But not 50% of all penalties. And when one teams gets SIX more penalties than another, it’s god-awful. Especially considering the bad calls on the Sharks you point out were make-up calls (again, NO ONE on here is disputing them as bad calls…because they were.)
So stop. We don’t want to hear it. There’s no way you can objectively convince us, because your arguments are always going to be subjective.
Penalty
Let’s put it this way…let’s just say…
The Marleau and Heatley calls are bad: One led to a goal, the other negated a power play for the Sharks.
The Bertuzzi interference/what ever other call you think was not legit were bad: One goal and something else.
Okay…so the refs are equally bad in those situations but they even out.
What is the basis for the outcry that the ref stole the game from the RW.
5 penalties in the third, for starters?
Again, like I keep saying, it’s playoff hockey. Let them play. Don’t call penalties unless its obvious to even the non-educated hockey fan. Is it a mystery why there are usually 0 penalties in most playoff OTs? Let the players decide it on the ice, especially late in games. The refs didn’t steal the game persay, but rather stole the Wings a chance at a fair shot of the Sharks in that 3rd period especially. If the shoe were on another foot, I would be certainly happy the Wings won regardless of officiating, but i would also realize they got lucky with so many PPs. 5-on-3’s are rarities in the playoffs, for one team to get 3 in two games is simply unheard of. And to get 5 penalties in one period, the third period no less, just never happens. That’s half the period. Is it really hard to see why we are upset with officiating?
I won’t take anything away from your sharks. A million PPs in the world don’t matter unless you score on them. And you did. So, obviously ou deserve the win. But let’s at least call teh games fair…the refs have given the second-least penalized team in the league during teh reg season 16 penalties in 2 games. That’s not right, unless something egregious were happening out there (and clearly, it wasn’t egregious to us, otherwise we wouldn’t be arguing so vehemontly against your views)
hard to feel lucky
when most of the penalties were earned by hard work. and the goals scored were earned by hard work.
we have seen san jose squander so many similar opportunities against far lesser opponents that we know this for a sure fact: there are no gimme’s in hockey. luck is a creation of time place and manner. you have to be in the right place, at the right time, with the right effort in order to get lucky.
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
"He (Iginla) thinks he’s a pretty tough guy, so why not?" ~ Ryan Clowe
by Jay Fin Anderson on May 3, 2010 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions
We're clearly on different wavelengths.
I’m not disputing the hard work the Sharks did, they deserved the win. I’ll keep saying it. Now let it sink in. They deserved it.
BUT, there was an element of luck to it. You have to admit it, whether you feel it was luck or not. Getting 10 PPs including a full minute of 5-on-3 in the THIRD PERIOD is lucky, no matter what the circumstances. Because you get lucky that the refs call it that way…a Shark getting maimed doesn’t guarantee a penalty, unless the ref sees it that way.
I can understand your viewpoint though, given San Jose’s recent playoff history. It was earned. But, as Babcock likes to say, “You gotta be good to be lucky, and lucky to be good.” So, the Sharks were good. And they had luck on their side. That’s all I’m saying.
I will not dispute any of those statements
But I said it yesterday; To have the esteemed history that the Red Wings have, the Hockey Gods have smiled on you often enough.
We are just starting to see some of the fruit of the Hockey Gods eventually evening thnigs out
Yes
If this situation were reversed, I’d be willing to admit it. If the Wings win is helped by some questionable officiating I don’t feel good about it, but I sure as hell take the win, and I sure as hell don’t pretend it wasn’t a gift. And I sure as hell don’t go on the oppositions blogs and pretend otherwise.
This reason I am here
Is because I disagree with the the assessment that the ref stole the game. You guys are fairly calm in your comment but some of those on the Post-Dispatch blog are just insane.
If I truly felt that the Sharks “stole a game” from the RW…I would not be here.
that is the crux of the matter
the sharks won the game. dont diminish the fact by blaming bad reffing (which we all agree went BOTH ways.
as you know, playoff success is the bane of shark fans existence. we finally have a team overcoming adversity, taking advantage of opportunities, and playing their hearts out- an opportunity to show the league (and the class of the league at that- as much as i despise the wings, their history speaks loud and clear…) san jose is not going to abide the choker label.
rather than giving full credit to the sharks for beating one of the best teams in professional sports, we see a bunch of excuses and bitching. it is just a bit disingenuous.
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
"He (Iginla) thinks he’s a pretty tough guy, so why not?" ~ Ryan Clowe
by Jay Fin Anderson on May 3, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
thats funny
because going into this series half of us voted you guys had the offensive upper hand… we all know you have a good team and this can STILL go either way… want us to suck your dick? why dont you just go to FTF and celebrate with your fellow fans? i was expecting this from coyote fans but not sharks….
classy
want us to suck your dick?
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
"He (Iginla) thinks he’s a pretty tough guy, so why not?" ~ Ryan Clowe
by Jay Fin Anderson on May 3, 2010 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
lol come on
you make it sound like we dont think your team is good. a lot of us are scared of your offensive talent. i fail to see how we have not given the sharks credit for beating us. you see what you want to see. you talk about us being disingenouous, when in reality, why should you even care?
its a matter of legitimacy i guess
to be the best you have to beat the best kinda thing.
i guess im just trying to convey why we are defensive of our teams unexpected success against the reigning western dynasty. not that it is completely rational, but fan is, after all, short for fanatic.
its not that you have to globber on and on about how incredible the sharks are. i think the point is, there is a subtle slight going on when the majority of conversation over here after the 2 games isnt about the battles in front or along the boards, the goalies, or the lack of secondary scoring- its about how the refs gave the game to the sharks.
I think the game is bigger than that, thats all.
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
"He (Iginla) thinks he’s a pretty tough guy, so why not?" ~ Ryan Clowe
by Jay Fin Anderson on May 3, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
hahaha
well played.
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
"He (Iginla) thinks he’s a pretty tough guy, so why not?" ~ Ryan Clowe
by Jay Fin Anderson on May 3, 2010 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
It's being realistic
Talking about the horrible officiating doesn’t negate the good things the Sharks are doing. But it has been very very helpful for them in gaining the 2-0 lead. No one is saying the Sharks suck, or something like that, and the only way they could beat the Wings is if the refs help them. What we are saying, is that the win last night was certainly impacted by the officiating. To mention the officiating when it was that bad doesn’t eliminate the other factors in the game. It reasonably includes it as a significant one.
SJ has a good team. But I stand by what I’ve said elsewhere, that when these two games have been played 5-5 I think Detroit has been better overall. It’s been close, tight, fast, great hockey. But with all the calls that went on last night, and the questionable calls on Thursday, we haven’t really seen these two teams play much 5-5. I think you’d admit your team was in trouble until that Bertuzzi penalty in the third that led to the 5-3. The whole scope of the game changed after that.
I want to see 5-5 hockey. That means yes, I don’t just want to see the disparity reversed. I don’t want to see any “makeup” calls on tuesday, I want to see the refs pocket their whistles. But I have no reason to believe that will happen.
The Sharks motto this year is "overcome"
those things always seem a bit cheesy, but it is ironic, in a sense. despite the obstacles, a bad call on bertuzzi, detroit still had a chance to kill the penalty. ideal? no. should they have been able to? yes. but san jose took the game to detroit, and forced detroit’s hand. and kept pushing the play. detroit took a few penalties, and san jose capitalized on those opportunities. its the excuses that get old, and i think very few guys in either locker room are caring very much about the number of calls.
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
"He (Iginla) thinks he’s a pretty tough guy, so why not?" ~ Ryan Clowe
by Jay Fin Anderson on May 3, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
You are delusional
if you think the calls you just said were “legit” happened the way you described them. You are actually calling Abdelkader and Bertuzzi’s interference calls “clear”? Do you watch hockey on a regular basis? And you’re even justifying the “holding” call on Bertuzzi? The shove that send the guy tumbling to the ice like he’d been stabbed?
And for the last time, stop bringing up the Heatley and Mareau calls as if that makes everything even. THOSE WERE CLEARLY MAKEUP CALLS that only negated shitty calls already made. They were clearly not penalties, and also clearly makeup calls for bullshit calls against the Wings. And they don’t change the fact that there were twice as many bullshit calls like these against the Wings.
I’m sorry you spent so much time on this, because it was a waste of time. You’ve shown nothing, except that you must have been watching an entirely different game.
Sharks fans, please, stop trying to pretend like last night wasn’t complete bullshit. If the Wings were on the other side of that I’d take the win, be happy about it, and never for a second think the other team didn’t get screwed. Wings got jobbed, big time, and you’d better believe we’re pissed about it. What could have been a great series has quickly degenerated into something barely resembling hockey. When these two teams have played 5-5 we’ve seen some good hockey. But unfortunately, we haven’t seen that very often.
Calls
1) I stand by the Abdelkader call…he clearly interfered…we will never agree on this.
2) Bertuzzi’s interference…also stand by but willing to give you guys the benefit of the doubt
3) Bertuzzi’s holding call…I said that the Sharks player embellished but Bertuzzi had his stick between the guy’s legs. It’s an easy call…Also you don’t think Bertuzzi’s rep. had something to do with the calls?
Why should Bertuzzi’s rep be a problem? He had 2 penalties in 8 games before last night. What rep are you talking about? If rep were an issue, then why hasn’t Holmstrom gotten a penalty? What about Nabokov for his diving? On TSN they were talking in the intermission about how Nabokov has been diving for years. Why aren’t the refs giving him diving penalties?
Put yourself in a RW fan position – the Sharks get 10 penalties to the RW 4, and by your own admission some of them are bullshit – you’re not going to be upset? The worst part is that it would not only be Sharks fans complaining – we would have fans from every team on here bitching about how the Wings “get away with everything”. This goes back to your “reputation” theory – if the Wings have the reputation of being a clean team (2nd least penalized in the NHL this season), then they should “get away” with stuff, right?
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Can't speak for other fans
But most Sharks fans are self-deprecating…go look at the posts on FTF during the Colorado series.
I would argue that most goalies in the NHL flop…in fact, I think of goalie in the NHL like QBs in the NFL…they get away with a lot just cuz they are goalies (Anderson basically punched/tripped Shark players in the Avs series but no calls).
I am trying to put myself in the RW fans position…therefore the analysis…I didn’t come here and just start spewing about how the complaints were crap…I went back and looked at the video the best I can.
There are always bad calls (on either side)…but to say that just that the refs are biased because they called 6 more penalties on the RWs is pure fan-think. Pick any two of the 10 penalties calls as bad (which negates the two bad ones for the sharks) and tell me which of the other penalties were awful.
agreed on the goalie aspect. Jimmy Howard should have gotten a slashing/unsportsmanlike for a nut tap he did on a Shark late in the game.
by Casey Richey on May 3, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
"5 of the 10 RW penalties were obvious and clear calls"
Direct from your post above. So, if only 5 of the 10 penalties were obvious, then what about the other 5? It’s been pointed out that both goalie interference penalties and the holding on Bertuzzi were awful. That’s 3 to 2. So that leaves 2 penalties that were not obvious. If they were borderline on the RW, then it would stand to reason there were some plays by the Sharks that probably could have been penalties – so why weren’t they called? It was obvious they were calling everything last night? Were the Sharks playing a completely clean game? My guess is probably not.
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No...they got called for 2 "clean" penalties
Of the three you listed, I would argue that at least 2 of the 3 are legit…giving you the benefit of the doubt…1 of the 3 is legit…thus the “bad calls” are even.
That leaves 3 (of the 5 at issue) v. 2 on the Sharks.
Non-calls are pointless… you can spend all day pointing out non-calls on both sides.
sidenote: ill give you credit for being a resilient SOB
by Casey Richey on May 3, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
damnit casey
i told you not to mention penalties. if we mention them, we’re bitching and making excuses…. all the while the opposition tries to make arguments to make the “bad calls even.”
Again, what game are you watching/re-watching?
That TSN clip is great. Because it confirms everything we’re saying on here. 1) Abdelkader’s interference was actually somewhat similar to the Heatley call that everyone wearing teal and red and white agree on.
2) Seriously? You’re even trying to defend this? It’s hardly an exaggeration to say that Bert’s hand grazed Nabby. And Nabby fell like he’d been hit in the nuts. Bert’s hand barely touches Nabby. Barely. Certainly not enough to call for goalie interference. I can’t believe you’d even try to defend that one.
3) Bertuzzi’s stick is very very very very obviously on the outside of the Sharks’ right skate, not in between, not in a position to trip the player. Bertuzzi pushes the guy, he falls down, and the call…holding!??? Holding?! Seriously? There’s nothing easy about that call. Unless you think the Wings should be penalized for touching Sharks players. I mean it’s about as ridiculous as that.
Seriously?
I have the game on DVR – should I go back and look at each and every play of the Sharks? I bet you I could find at least 4-5 calls that should have been made against the Sharks. On these “highlights” you were watching, were there any actions by the Sharks that could have been penalties? Or were you just wearing your teal-coloured glasses when viewing this stuff?
Check again on the Abdelkader penalty – he is outside of the crease, which is just as much his ice as Nabokov’s. Bertuzzi barely touched Nabokov, but he gets the interference penalty. You admit there was some “embellishment” on Nabokov’s part – that is diving, isn’t it?
If you do not believe that the refs have had a significant impact on both games, then you’re delusional. If you want to believe the Sharks are deservedly up 2-0, good for you. I argue that the Wings should be tied, but they haven’t quite played well enough to get there.
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I think the point is...
not that the wings aren’t committing penalties. The issue is that IT’S THE PLAYOFFS!! THIS IS HOCKEY…NHL HOCKEY, NOT EUROPEAN HOCKEY…It’s a rough sport…I have been watching playoff hockey for 16 years in a row (I watched tapes of the playoffs in 04-05) and I have NEVER seen such strict officiating. Wings have lost these games flat out, but I think what alot of people are upset about is that while most of the penalties are legitimate penalties, they don’t HAVE to be called. If I recall one of bertuzzi’s penalties was called a hold and the announcer responded increduosly “This is not hockey…HOLDING??” I mean, just cos a guy bumps another player away from the puck doesn’t mean you HAVE to call interference…
Bah!
Enough of you Sharks fans complaining about all the power plays you’ve had! I think we all get the argument postulated by Jumbo Jabberjaw (credit to Stabbityjones) that they earned them all by “moving their feet”. If you’d bother to listen, everyone has been calling “crap” on the officiating. Both ways. The argument being in Round 2 of the Stanley Cup Playoffs, games should not be dominated by the officiating.
My beef with all of this (the officiating and your brilliant dissertations) is that both games were 1 goal games that included a 5-3 at the worst possible time for the Wings. If you want to believe that you “dominated” the Wings, that is fine but the score does not reflect “domination”. Did the Wings make mistakes and need to be better? Yes, but if you can’t admit that the Sharks benefited from at least some of the calls, then you are slightly delusional.
Why does anyone care if we bitch?
As a Wings fan, I hear a lot about how much we complain. Fans want to point out that we’re paranoid. But seriously, if any team lost on questionable calls, they’re going to complain, everyone does.
Now if Wings fans are trolling on Sharks and Coyotes sites to bitch about the bad calls, they deserve the ridicule they get.
However, what is it with other fans coming to this site and saying we can’t complain? What point are you trying to make? You’re not going to convince us that we’re wrong, and the different fanbases are going to look at the game two completely different ways. We have ours, you have yours. We can agree on this, correct?
I get it. We’re the Yankees, the Lakers and the Patriots. No one wants to hear about how bad we have it because we’ve won so much recently. Fine. But if you say you would be happy with winning one year and then not doing so well the next year, you’re either lying or you’re a fairweather fan.
My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
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Thank you.
I was waiting for a post like this.
even better
if we even go on the Coyotes site we get banned.
by Casey Richey on May 3, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
True...
Blaming the ref is bad form…it implies that the other team did not deserve the win and that your team would have won but for the refs.
Wasnt it 3-2 wings
before the 6 power plays you guys recieved in the 3rd peorid….. seriously a 5-3 goal. Yea you right detroit was just out worked.
Right...which of the 6 PP in the 3rd were not legit
Arguably Bertuzzi’s holding…but the rest were legit (including one that was negated by the call on Heatley.)
Here is a quote from
your own messiah Pavelski,
"It’s still a long, long way to go in this series," he said. "We fought back from behind and took advantage of our power play, but anyone who thinks that we’re in control of this series is crazy."
Even pavelski knows….
dont be foolish.
he is all of our messiah. ask and believe my son.
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For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
"He (Iginla) thinks he’s a pretty tough guy, so why not?" ~ Ryan Clowe
by Jay Fin Anderson on May 3, 2010 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
But it was 3 2 wings because of the Marleu “boarding”. So according to your argument it would have been 2 2 heading to the third,
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Dont boo your team!
Actually
Marleau’s boarding negated a crap call. That’s the only reason that it was made. It was a terrible call. Negating a terrible call. So no, the situations aren’t really comparable.
Yeah but then the Red Wings ended up with a Powerplay at the end so in fact it did change the play a bit. So in my opinion that argument is invalid. Of course i do see the world through teal glasses and you see it through red glasses. So at the end of the day lets just agree to disagree and hope for a great game Tuesday.
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I could handle
that… 2-2 thrid peorid is alot more fair then the display we saw last night. a 2-2 hockey in the game with no penalties would have been great.. i agree.
Now if Wings fans are trolling on Sharks and Coyotes sites to bitch about the bad calls, they deserve the ridicule they get.
Actually we welcome fans from other teams. :)
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
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I appreciate that
I don’t mind the debates, but I think you can agree, after the home blog’s team loses, the fans are going to be angry. They’re looking for answers and looking for commiseration, not some other teams fans to come in and tell them to quit their bitching.
Are we off base at times? Sure. But I’d like to think that isn’t a character trait unique to Wings fans. We just get nailed on it harder because we have normally have less to complain about.
That being said, facts don’t change. Wings are down 2-0 and have to make more plays and stop giving the refs reason to put them in the box (whether anyone things they’re legit or not).
My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
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Blame Bettman
In case you hadn’t noticed, “goalie interference” is the penalty du jour for the playoffs. Apparently, Nabokov and Howard got the memo, both were falling all over the place yesterday.
Have to go...it's been fun
I have a lot respect for you guys after today…debates and arguments are what makes sports great.
I totally expect the calls to go against the Sharks on Tueday for a number of reasons. I promise not to gripe about how the Sharks lost the game because of the officials…you can check me on FTF site on Wednesday…
In a weird way
It’s been fun debating with you. If the Sharks do get bad calls go against them, and the Wings win the game, I will be on here talking about the luck the Wings had to get the benefit of some calls. And I better not hear one Sharks fan talk about how the officials cost them the game.
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Oh, so i guess only Wings are allowed to bitch...
Let’s count how many Wings fans have already tread this ground… You’re not really helping your case when you say “Well, if it happens to you guys, you can’t say anything…” when you’ve complained in every single one of your posts. That’s like a little kid who hits his sister and then runs behind mommy.
I saw three bullshit calls against the Wings (both goalie interference calls and the Bertuzzi “trip”), and three bullshit calls against the Sharks (boarding, goalie interference, and the non-call when Pavelski got crosschecked, tackled, and punched in the crease). The idiots at VS didn’t show replays of some of the other calls. But if you’re arguing the slashes (which were obvious), or the Kronwall trip or the Filpulla trip, then you’re watching the series through Red-colored glasses.
And before you crack on Nabokov for diving, you better have a chat with Howard who dove just as many times.
Let's itemize...
Nabokov “embellished” the Bertuzzi tap, I’d dispute the Abdelkader being a dive… that was more Ab getting pushed into the crease, and the puck was still right in front of him. Goalies typically don’t dive while the puck is on its way to the net.
Howard tried to get a couple of calls, once on the Thornton breakaway (similar to the Bertuzzi tap), and once when he wasn’t even touched and he flopped backwards like a Forsberg. Then Howard gets the call when Heatley is clearly being shoved right into him. Just because he didn’t get the calls doesn’t mean he wasn’t diving.
fuck all the bs of the first 2 games
and all the “refs were horrible garbage”…time to take care of business and get this series back tied at 2 going back to the Tank…GO WINGS!
PS i am still pretty confident we can win this series in 6…haven’t played the best of games yet and we were right in it both times…i think the Wings will come out angry and inspired in Game 3 and play like they did in Game 7 against the Yotes.
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That's right
Hold me back TuLo, no more bantering back and forth. I said it last night, and I’ll say it again. OVERCOME. That’s what our boys need to do, and they can. Time to take care of business at the Joe.
Let’s be realistic here. The Wings are a puck possession team who generally dominates in the faceoff circle. Weather the officiating is great or horrible any given night, the team that is winning the faceoffs and has the puck more is usually going to have the fewer penalties. The Sharks have had the puck a LOT in the first two games and have been pretty dominant in the faceoff circle.
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