Quick Hits: 5/3

by AnimalDrew on May 3, 2010 5:01 PM CDT in Quick Hits

A New Penalty- Getting high sticked in the face? That's two minutes for tripping. Pushing a guy to the ice? That's two minutes for holding. Anyone else find it ironic that they called Bert for the exact opposite of the action he committed?

The Universe - Andy from Fight Night at the Joe provides us with his usual uncensored views on that jobbing that the Wings suffered last night. Don't expect much else today...it's not subjective that the officiating sucked last night...but a universal truth.

Conferece Semi Finals Game 2: Red Wings at Sharks- A laundry list of bullets from the boys at The Triple Deke. They also use four consecutive sentences ending with an exclamation mark...that's BJ (the Columbus kind) blog worthy.

Tinfoil Flashmob - A new mini movement is growing legs among the Red Wings faithful. Good old Sarah is gathering the troops of yet another tinfoil hat army to bring to the Joe tomorrow. Aw, who am I kidding? I only posted this link to The Production Line because you can see me in the picture!

Moving Forward...- Graham the "Amerinadian" tries to calm us all down after last night's farce of a game...good luck. But in all honesty, this newby blogger actually makes some valid points. If you're the kind that only gets more irritated when someone tries to console you in times of great anger, click over anyway...use that hate for motivation.

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You know those !s were used ironically, I hope. The checks and balances of the Wingosphere wouldn’t allow me to use them legitimately, even if I wanted to. :)

The Triple Deke

by TDTyler on May 3, 2010 5:09 PM CDT reply actions

Touchy little buggers at Fear the Fin

Simply point out that all of Jesus’s,er……….Joe Pavelski’s goals have come on the power play (plus two on a 5-on-3), the post gets deleted. They win a few playoff games and now they worship and defend their team like it’s Mother Teresa.

by Elfuego51 on May 3, 2010 7:06 PM CDT reply actions

You got it wrong brother.......

We have a young and very enthusiastic fan base.
sellout every game almost every year.
we ain’t Hocketown, but I guarantee you we have a stronger fan base than some Cup Winning teams (Colorado, Carolina, TB…. Shall I continue?)
You guys just played Phoenix.
Did these statements of appear then, where they should have?

deep down you have nothing bad to say about Big Pav and you know it.
If you do, get your head checked………….

You best know that tealtown is well represented, and we have always worshiped our team more than Mother theresa (who I could care less about..I’m not catholic)

by Dubs Dima on May 3, 2010 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions

I know you're not blaming the refs...

but you’re blaming the refs…

Here’s a bit of video for you (courtesy of hfboards.com…

Goalie interference called on Heatley… and Coach TMac’s reaction…
http://i39.tinypic.com/kb6sk6.jpg http://i42.tinypic.com/20k61ch.jpg

Stuart mugging Joe Pavelski… no call…
http://i40.tinypic.com/2ivujs.jpg

Howard “checking” Pavelski… no call…
http://i41.tinypic.com/2dumgwl.jpg

Pavel crosschecking Seto … called (this to show you he wasn’t “diving”…
http://i39.tinypic.com/168amxh.jpg

Marleau called for ~~skating~~ boarding…
http://i39.tinypic.com/33mrhft.jpg

…the bottom line… I know there were bad calls against Detroit… there were also bad calls against San Jose… San Jose is leading this series because they are a damn talented team that is finally living up to their talent level… they are controlling the puck, winning face-offs (which leads to controlling the puck) and winning the small battles along the boards… I don’t think this series is over… but I do think the Sharks will prevail…

…it is living up to the billing… great series….

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by ZenPop on May 3, 2010 9:05 PM CDT reply actions

Let it go dude

NO ONE ASKED YOU FOR YOUR OPINION. Go listen to some music

Winging It In Motown

by Casey Richey on May 3, 2010 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions

How could anyone actually try to make an argument that we didn't get enough penalties?

by Elfuego51 on May 3, 2010 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions

Stupidity, I suppose.

Or blatant ignorance. Either one.

"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
Science nerd and proud of it!

by Baroque on May 3, 2010 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions

Classy

Ignoring someone’s arguments and attacking their character.

The point I think he was trying to make is that just saying “10 is too many” means nothing. Individual calls need to be challenged (and some were indeed utter crap, don’t get me wrong).

The way I saw it, there were about 3 utter crap calls against the wings and 2 against SJ. Not too unbalanced. That leaves out non-calls and you probably disagree with my premise, but my point is that unless you can dispute individual penalties or non-calls, you aren’t making a credible argument.

PS: The league does not dislike the red wings. The league likes the red wings. It’s one of their biggest markets.

by warning on May 4, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions

well

as you said, “the way i saw it.” i agree, 2 against SJ, but i dunno about 3 against the wings. could be. i would say 3-5, but thats from a wings fan i wasnt exactly taking notes… at the same time, i’m not sure if its so, but maybe some of those crap calls were called when we were already penalized on a legit call, thus making a bogus 5-3 situation, which obviously was bad news for us. it doesnt matter. i think we did very well considering we only lost by one after trying to kill 10 penalties. well see what happens tonight.

by mikerlz on May 4, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions

who's making that argument?

I’m not disputing that the refs blew a lot of calls…
But open your eyes.. they blew a lot of calls on both sides.

I’m only supplying the evidence. If you wish to remain ignorant.. feel free.

This is an excellent matchup between two skilled teams… I think the Sharks deserve to be where they are… but I know that it could easily be 1-1… I’m not throwing anything in anybody’s face… I have too much respect for the Wings’ organization… Just wanted to put a stop to the “The reason we lost was because of the refs!” complaints I’ve seen.

Cheers!

P.S. Feel free to listen to the music, too, Casey… might help you relax a bit…

by ZenPop on May 4, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions

Ya'll need to get some new arguments

You seem to be more stuck on this officiating thing at this point than we are. We’ve all been saying in here the refs blew calls on both sides. No shit. Fortunately for your team, they blew a lot more that were costly for the Wings. A 10-4 disparity is ridiculous no matter how you explain it.

And we’ve also never blamed the loss exclusively on the penalties. We’re well aware of the areas the Wings need to improve. What we’ve also consistently said is that it makes it a hell of a lot easier to lose when you’re being whistled ten times in a single game.

You’re not supplying evidence, you’re supplying your view on plays that were at the very least ambiguous.

Yawn Good thing game time is almost here.

by Brobz on May 4, 2010 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions

When will you guys learn it's all subjective?

See, you say Seto didn’t dive on the Pavel crosscheck, but I view it as he did, and I see that animated image as proof of it. Pavel didn’t follow through on his hit, and he’s not exactly a big player either expecially compared to a guy like Setoguchi.

The problem with analysis like this is it completely ignores non-calls on the Sharks, and I bet you I’d be able to find at least a few of those that are just as bad as the Stuart “mugging” or Howard “nutshot”, if not worse (but I won’t because that would be a waste of my life)

BTW on that Howard nutshot, don’t they have padding up there? That was a little lovetap. I doubt it really hurt that much. Man up. I’ve seen Ed Belfour take a Red Wing’s manhood in the past, Martin Lapointe’s to be exact. See Now THAT’s a nutshot.

by tehGOALIE on May 4, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions

Woops, link didn't work

Here’s the Ed Belfour vid I was referring to. He did this quite a few times in his career, I remember quite well (ah, memories)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSUl54CmziU

by tehGOALIE on May 4, 2010 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions

Re: diving

Sometimes you can fall over when you aren’t hit too hard. Sometimes you’re already falling over (re: Nichol, I believe. I didn’t see that penalty) and a wing skates near you and a ref is an idiot.

Howard’s push probably didn’t hurt that much, that doesn’t make it diving. He just got pushed off balance. Seto was hit from behind and probably didn’t see it coming. If he wasn’t braced for the hit, he loses his balance easy. Not diving, sometimes you just go down. Blame the refs, not the sharks.

Anyway, analysis like this can’t possibly be complete, but it’s a hell of a lot better than complaining at the number of penalties, without any analysis of those penalties. You want to claim it was biased, show penalties that shouldn’t have been penalties (and recognize that simply by being debatable, a call becomes not utter crap).

by warning on May 4, 2010 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions

(or maybe vlasic, not nichol? Like I said, I didn’t actually see that penalty/part of the game, but that’s what FTF buzz says and I’m too lazy to find the quote).

by warning on May 4, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions

Falling, incompetence

If you fall down every time you get hit when you aren’t expecting it, you will be a very bad hockey player.

by bleep bloop on May 4, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions

Boarding

Obviously Marleau slowed way down prior to the hit, but it was a blindside hit on a player in a vulnerable position, so it’s a good thing he slowed down. What you normally see is the guy speed up and no penalty is called. And in theory they get suspended because of the new rule (but it hasn’t happened yet).

Despite it clearly not being a real boarding penalty, the rule for boarding says

The onus is on the player (or goalkeeper) applying the check to ensure his opponent is not in a vulnerable position and if so, he must avoid the contact.

Interference on goalkeeper

If an attacking player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by a defending player so as to cause him to come into contact with the goalkeeper, such contact will not be deemed contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.

by bleep bloop on May 4, 2010 2:39 AM CDT up reply actions

Really?

“vulnerable position” takes the whole situation into context. In context, he wasn’t vulnerable.
And when you’re pushed from behind and you fall over, there’s no way you can reasonably blame the pushed player. He made a reasonable effort, that being to not fall over. He failed. Bummer. Not a penalty.

Don’t get me wrong, wings had BS penalties too. But be consistent with your criticism.

One last thing: someone explain the tinfoil hats to me. I’m just not getting it. Where did that tradition come from?

by warning on May 4, 2010 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions

Who was hit, Stuart?

If you look at the gif posted by ZenPop, he was facing the boards, fighting for the puck, when he was hit from behind. That is a “vulnerable position”.
I don’t know if that’s what was actually called, but as I said, stupid penalty.

Tinfoil hats are for preventing mind control from radiation, generally from the government, some big corporation, or an unnamed Them. In this case, it’s a tongue-in-cheek reference to the idea that there is a conspiracy.

by bleep bloop on May 4, 2010 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions

I think the whole boarding thing is moot

I thought the penalty was for an elbow by Blake, so I was just happy to see two minutes.

by Elfuego51 on May 4, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions

heres a little playlist for ya

a lot of this is from the pens/wings in the finals. a lot of bullshit. now, this bullshit being in the FINALS, do you think it would be legit to complain about or would it just be whining again? note that none of us were talking about calls until you posted this. if we can get over those calls, we can get over this. already water under the bridge, until you tried to stir shit up again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG0UAS3CMg8&feature=PlayList&p=6E4C72276C6BBC69&playnext_from=PL&index=1&playnext=2

by mikerlz on May 4, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions