Red Wings Season Ends With 2-1 Loss
by joehass on May 9, 2010 12:04 AM CDT
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PrintA season that started with such promise ended with a mad dash of six-on-four hockey that wasn't enough.
For the fourth time in the series, the Detroit Red Wings lost a one-goal game. This time, it was Patrick Marleau's goal with 12:01 left that gave the San Jose Sharks a 2-1 victory and wrapped up this Western Conference Semifinal four games to one.
It was a game that featured all sorts of oddities: eight different Red Wings taking faceoffs as the linesmen were tossing players from the faceoff circle; a penalty shot to San Jose on a questionable hooking call that would rarely get called in almost any other situation, Marc-Edouard Vlasic going knee-on-knee with Valtteri Filppula in a moment that drew gasps for both players; and finally, a violent Douglas Murray elbow-to-head shot on Johan Franzen that drew no penalty just before the game winning goal.
If anything, the sole reason the Red Wings were even close in this game was the spectacular performance by Jimmy Howard. San Jose had plenty of chances, but it was Howard making 30 saves on a night where the offense couldn't seem to get much going.
After a scoreless first period, Brian Rafalski set the puck up at the blue line and fired a shot that deflected off the stick of Patrick Marleua and past Evgeni Nabokov for Rafalski's third goal of the playoffs. He was set up by Franzen, extending Franzen's point-scoring streak to all 12 games in the playoffs.
But the lead would be short lived. Just 2:14 later, while Brad Stuart sat in the penalty, the Sharks would parlay a faceoff win by Jason Demers to a nice shot by Dany Heatley. Howard would make that stop, but the rebound would go to Joe Thornton, who picked up his third goal of the playoffs.
In the third period, Niklas Kronwall tied up Joe Pavelski going towards the net, on a play that was clearly a penalty. Pavelski was awarded a penalty shot, but managed to push it wide after being challenged by Howard.
But just three minutes later, Rafalski had the puck behind Howard. Instead of trying to play the puck out, he tried to pass it out to his right, only to have it intercepted by Thornton. He found Marleau, who fired a wrister for his third goal of the playoffs, which would prove to be the game winner.
Nabokov would end the night with 33 saves.
Player of the game: Jimmy Howard. How can a losing goaltender get this? Easy: had Howard not made the saves he made, this game would've been a 4-1 blowout. He wasn't able to steal a game, but given the fact that he's a rookie goaltender, that's quite alright.
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I was going to comment about a great write up and a great series,
but it may fall on deaf ears. oh well.
wouldnt have asked for any other matchup, any other series. i ex[ected 6 or 7 games, but i was surprised by the solid play of our defensemen, and the resurgence of our top line guys.
crow all you want about the penalties called and not called (the penalty shot was pretty clear, if not a hook, then a hold, he grabbed a handful of arm) both teams had chances to win every game (except for the drubbing you layed on us in JLA….) and that is all we can ask for as fans of this great game.
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
"He (Iginla) thinks he’s a pretty tough guy, so why not?" ~ Ryan Clowe
by Jay Fin Anderson on May 9, 2010 12:15 AM CDT reply actions
Well put.
Not everyone over here is bleating about penalties. The Sharks outclassed us completely the first three games, faltered in the fourth and got back in gear tonight.
Tossing out game four, the margin was only +4 for the Sharks. It was a closer series than the final tally shows. Good luck in the next round. Unless you play Chicago, I root for Original Six.
by john.kmiecik on May 9, 2010 12:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Scratch that nice reply to your fake olive branch.
by john.kmiecik on May 9, 2010 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
come on, its mighty funny.
both men are not at all homosexual, but the gaze and the headline begs for humor.
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
"He (Iginla) thinks he’s a pretty tough guy, so why not?" ~ Ryan Clowe
by Jay Fin Anderson on May 9, 2010 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions
hey, you brought it up. it was on our blog, not yours.
i didnt bring it in to this conversation, you did.
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
"He (Iginla) thinks he’s a pretty tough guy, so why not?" ~ Ryan Clowe
by Jay Fin Anderson on May 9, 2010 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I have a sense of humor
I thought it was pretty funny. You guys are Bay Area so you’re experts at all things gayness…
I’d say good luck, but I usually root for original 6…undecided if I’ll root for you guys or not. I do hate Shitcago.
Thats a helluva team you folks have. I call it like I see it, and your guys played alot better than ours.
In life, a man is either the hammer or the anvil. Ndamukong Suh is both
thanks jazzy
and yes, bay area folks do get a fair share of gay indoctrination. i have no problem with a persons sexual choices, libertarian in that sense for sure. and most of the gay folk i know are the first to laugh at gay jokes. its the high brow PC folks who get their panties in a twist over something they think another group of people might find offensive.
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
"He (Iginla) thinks he’s a pretty tough guy, so why not?" ~ Ryan Clowe
by Jay Fin Anderson on May 9, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Unless it's 'shopped
it wasn’t even their headline. They just pointed out ESPN’s gaffe. It is kinda funny.
Somebody's a bit sore.
I came over hear to talk about how the few Wings fans who came over to FTF were good guys, had fun blogging with you all but then I see things like this and it blows my mind. You’re telling a guy to fuck off because you don’t think a joke that he laughed at is funny?
COme on now.
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Eureka 49ers, my Niners blog.
It is pretty funny
Can’t imagine why they used that headline. They had to know…
"Sooner or later, you're going to have #69 in your face." -Al Michaels
I like how he didn't even make the joke.
Cool.
And then God created Saturn.. And he liked it, so he put a ring on it.
Eureka 49ers, my Niners blog.
a little confused by some fans on WIIM
probably just internet boldness, but most RW fans i know are way more level about their team. bad calls, bad bounces, good calls, good bounces, its all a part of the game.
good to see some sanity still exists in hockeytown.
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
"He (Iginla) thinks he’s a pretty tough guy, so why not?" ~ Ryan Clowe
by Jay Fin Anderson on May 9, 2010 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Except that no part of that play met the criteria for a penalty shot.
1 – it wasn’t a clear breakaway. He didn’t have possession till the puck was in the zone, and Kronwall was with him the entire time.
2 – he got a shot off. It wasn’t a great shot, but the criteria doesn’t say, “a great shot”.
3 – it was a penalty. It was a 2 minute minor, not a penalty shot.
Basically, all you needed to know about the quality of the reffing this series was boiled down into that one call. It was terrible both ways.
I don't get why everyone is so upset about this
with the way Detroit’s PK played during the series, I would have taken the penalty shot.
by handsomerob1 on May 10, 2010 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Even before the actual shot
I was happy it was a penalty shot and not a 2 minute minor. Ozzie sucks something awful on those, but Howard was decent enough during the season that I had faith.
by handsomerob1 on May 11, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
no fuck the hawks
never ever will i root for them…idc if we just lost to the Sharks if it is them vs chicago definitely going for SJ
TULO = 2010 MVP!
Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."
LETS GO WINGS!
by TuLoRocks2008 on May 9, 2010 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Nope.
Hawks actually try to score goals 5 on 5 rather than simply falling down trying to draw penalties. I can’t stand the Blackhawks, but the Sharks play hockey like a European soccer match. No honor.
You’re giving extra credit. I am going hawks in 4.
by Winger in the desert on May 9, 2010 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
gotta stick with original six
hawks in 5.
plus they have hossa, an immediate ticket to the finals, where they will inevitably lose…
by hockeytownwest on May 9, 2010 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions
I dont mind
the sharks. yes im bitter, but i like todd… im rootin for the sharks. I live in the chi area.. if they make to the finals that would be horrible
i can't believe this
but if montreal gets eliminated, i think i want pittsburgh to win the whole thing.
by redwingxviii on May 9, 2010 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Wings fans?
Why would you not root for the sharks from this point on, if the Sharks lose in the coming round then your wings were eliminated in vain right? I always root for the team that knocks my team off.
Dude, lemme getchur keys.
I dont care who wins the cup as long as its not........
all I ask is that pittsburg & chicago get eliminated that will make me happy
I would love to see montreal vs vancouver so don cherry can tell everyone how great canada is like he does on every episode
I love cherry and he deserves to see an all canadian final
Now that would be awesome.
Especially since it’ll give Bettman nightmares about how to market an all Canadian final while he’s spent the last 20 years killing the Canadian market.
AMEN!
That is the only final matchup I’d watch… for Cherry & for the fits it would give Bettman. Not to mention that Habs are quintessential underdogs this year.
Usually, I would ...
and I would have if the Yotes had beaten us. They played well & fair. But given this series, I don’t think the better team won this time. Besides the bad calls & non calls, they were all close games, often won by flukey goals and bouncing pucks on bad ice (the NHL should NEVER put a team in a place where you can’t put an Outdoor Classic game IMHO), but the real reason I can’t root for them now is those cheap hits in game 5 .. to Filpula’s knee & Franzen as well … that was an extrodinarily late hit. I’d expect McClellan to expect more from his players than that.
Emotions run high now
But hopefully the complaints about bad calls, diving, whining, and buses hitting players will fade into history and both sides will remember a hard faught series that was much closer than the final 4-1 tally suggests. We may hate the Wings, but we also respect them. Not just because of their history, but because they are a damn good team.
It’s been an amazing series, the best 4-1 series I have ever seen, with (at least to me) great hockey played on both sides. I know, small consolation, but there is no doubt to me that the winner of this series was going to be the favorite for the rest of the playoffs.
by ruben398 on May 9, 2010 12:53 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
well said,
and completely agreed
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
"He (Iginla) thinks he’s a pretty tough guy, so why not?" ~ Ryan Clowe
by Jay Fin Anderson on May 9, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
The bad calls went both ways.
As a fan of hockey (even above the Wings) watching a game that’s being poorly officiated hurts. Its not even about calling it “even” but letting the teams play.
In the end the Wings mistakes cost them. The sharks jumped on the chances they were given, and while it seemed some were given by the refs, many many more were given by just poor decisions on the part of the Wings (Raf’s turn over that led to Marleau’s goal comes to mind).
I have to be honest though, I’m still waiting for the Sharks to choke. I don’t know if they have what it takes to go all the way and actually win 16 games.
What a weird season.
Basically, I believe that if Babcock’s hair could not lead them to victory, then it was not meant to be. Here’s to a healthy, high-seeded, Stanley-filled 2010-11 season!
It was obviously because Osgood wasn't in goal.
And nothing else.
"Sooner or later, you're going to have #69 in your face." -Al Michaels
Considering the season we had injuries wise
i was happy to see Howard emerge as the future goalie for this team…we put up a good fight in the playoffs….the 4-1 series is not nearly as much of a blow out as the 4-1 says…definitely should of won another game or 2…unfortunate that the season has ended already but what ever…made the finals 2 years in a row…can’t make it every year…Go Wings!…Can’t wait for October already…and god help us if we get a Penguins/Hawks finals…i really really couldn’t watch that and would not know who to root for although it would probably be the Pens because i really really don’t want to see Ho$$a and the Hawks win…Go Bruins win it all lol
TULO = 2010 MVP!
Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."
LETS GO WINGS!
hey you guys, just back from the game and altho I don’t stand on the same side of the line you are on, your guys played tremendously. you have alot to be proud of with your team and good luck next season. :)
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin
good season guys
Thanks for lots of great games. Nice to see that we have a new goalie as well as the great discovery of players like Drew Miller and Patrick Eaves. Now, let’s get em signed.
Good series. folks. It was impressive to see the Wings rebound from as many injuries they had to contend with for so much of the season. As a fan of the sport of hockey as well as of a specific team, let me tell you, sometimes I hate having to hate the Wings ;)
Cheers, and see you next season!
..:Fear The Fin:..
The artist formerly known as cyoung
some weird numbers
Regular season minor penalties:
PHX:DET @ 17 DET / 17 PHX
SJS:DET @ 12 DET / 17 SJS
Post season minor penalties:
PHX:DET @ 39 DET / 36 PHX
SJS:DET First 3 games @ 24 DET / 13 SJS All games @ 37 DET / 29 SJS
Difference in PHX:DET is 8.3% in favor of PHX. First 3 games of DET:SJS is a 161% change with an overall of 80% in favor of SJS. I don’t know why they haven’t added a rule yet that just allows the refs to place the pucks in the net themselves. Maybe the NHL should just ask the wings to play 4 on 5 in future seasons to make it more fair for other teams.
by Sportsfan1263 on May 9, 2010 2:10 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
so you are saying the wings take more penalties when they play better teams?
ya, i could see that.
but conspiring to eliminate a team with one of the largest fan-bases, a team that gets national NBC air time at least monthly, all for what?
the idea that there should be complete fairness or equality in the number of penalties alone is looking at numbers in a vacuum and misses the entire picture.
it was a really close series, and one team got called more than the other. missed calls? yes, both ways.
bigger factor: missed shots, blocked shots, defensive breakdowns, second chances, play along the boards….
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
"He (Iginla) thinks he’s a pretty tough guy, so why not?" ~ Ryan Clowe
by Jay Fin Anderson on May 9, 2010 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
with one exception. and that gripe is bogus capitalized 5-3 from a legit 5-4. other than that this was closely played.
by mikerlz on May 9, 2010 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
NHL would make more money fighting for teams with low fan numbers
This is the way I logically see it:
Theres 30 teams in the NHL, there is a team salary cap, and very little help for struggling teams (except occasionally). Now here is my basis:
1. Every team is based on a business so revenue is #1 goal. (thus winning is #1)
2. Every player wants to be on a winning team, and wants to win the cup.
3. Some teams are far behind others based on business and skill.
4. Some teams have their fan base tapped out while others have 10000’s to gain.
IF the best team won every year, players would play for cheaper just to win. The fan base would drastically grow. More elite players would join, and the overall organization would greatly expand. The only thing left for the other teams to do would be to claim bankruptcy.
Yes it is important to advertise for clubs with already large fan bases, but the amount of money that can be made by boosting clubs with low fan numbers… well let’s just say it’s a large sum. It may seem a little non-logical at first, but I guarantee you that the statistics agree with my statements.
by Sportsfan1263 on May 9, 2010 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
hadnt thought about it that way. interesting.
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
"He (Iginla) thinks he’s a pretty tough guy, so why not?" ~ Ryan Clowe
by Jay Fin Anderson on May 9, 2010 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Whether your theory is right
do you really think Gary Bettman is competent enough to pull off any sort of conspiracy?
…
I didn’t think so.
by handsomerob1 on May 10, 2010 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Bettman et al
Couldn’t competently organize a one-car parade.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
Science nerd and proud of it!
Conspiracy? I just see overwhelming amounts of evidence
1. 2004-2005 lockout, why? Salary caps, helping out the lower tier teams, ect.
2. Denial of ANY wrong doings by the league, seriously I didn’t know the NHL was ran by a bunch of preschoolers.
3. Bettman’s refusal to let PHX be moved to Canada even during financial failure.
4. The endless complaints from many teams and fans about poor officiating and the leagues inability to fix these issues.
5. The brutal on slaughter the refs unleashed on the wings during the second series. Since Babcock has been coach, the PIMs have been steadily decreasing and reached an all time low for this regular season (723 mins). The data doesn’t match and neither does the video replay. Plain and simple, the NHL made sure that the wings wouldn’t survive this round from the start. (And perhaps under estimated DET during the first round).
6. Who knows what really goes on behind the scenes, Bettman could just be a puppet in the big picture. Whether Gary is intelligent enough to conspire this on his own is still up for debate. One thing is for sure though, the NHL will rig critical games in anyway possible in order to increase revenue (or other hidden agendas) and the one directly in contact with these corrupt refs is… Gary Bettman.
by Sportsfan1263 on May 10, 2010 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions
This makes my point for me
4. The endless complaints from many teams and fans about poor officiating and the leagues inability to fix these issues.
Your comment about the NHL being run by preschoolers contradicts your theory too. Frankly, Gary Bettman and the rest of the lawyers running the NHL (into the ground) are too retarded to actually pull off any kind of fix. Whether hockey belong there or not, Phoenix (and the state of Arizona in general) is a larger market than Winnipeg. The push for the NHL to get into bigger, Southern markets (Phoenix, LA, Atlanta) is about DOLLARS. These areas have more people than any Canadian city, save for the ones that already have NHL teams.
The salary cap is about limiting spending on players so that contracts don’t balloon out of control. Look at baseball, where guys are getting paid up to $30 million per season. NHL owners have fewer games than the MLB to make a profit, so they’re unable to shell out big dollars. The NBA is in the same situation (and also has a salary cap). Whether we as Wings fans like it or not, it’s not good for the league if Mike Illitch spends $200 million on a Wings team when other owners are struggling to field a competitive squad, especially in today’s economy.
While the officiating sucked ass in the Sharks-Wings series, it’s sucked across the board. Montreal is getting hosed in their series with the Pens right now as well. It stems from the fact that lawyers are running the NHL, not hockey guys. Get a guy with a hockey upbringing to run the league and these discrepancies we see in the rule book will likely be changed.
I apologize if I offended anyone with my language, but this conspiracy talk is completely ridiculous.
by handsomerob1 on May 11, 2010 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Avs fan here with a question:
…I noticed from a few responders above that some Red Wings fans “usually root for Original Six.” Why? I get that Detroit is one of the OG’s in the NHL, but is there some kind of unwritten brotherhood among the Original Six? I find this a bit odd, hence me asking for clarification.
Why?
I guess if it ain’t the Wings, well, at least don’t let it be some up-start team that ain’t been there from the beginning. Some people will also say, well, if it ain’t the Wings, let it be a Canada team, not some California team where they don’t know hockey. Good question.
Clowns like you make me laugh
California knows hockey in 2010 idiot. Where do you think most of us in the Bay Area come from? We come from Detroit, Chicago, Philly, New York, Boston, Pittsburgh. But we’ve moved out west for better jobs & better lives. But we still know hockey and we root for our new home team, so STFU and take your loss like a man.
by UltimatePredator on May 9, 2010 4:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't see how anyone could trade one of those six franchises for a California franchise
Really? I’m trying to move from Michigan right now for a better job and better life and I’m factoring in the costs of extra innings and center ice so I can see my Tigers and Wings.
nyc
i live in nyc and we have a huge contingent of wings, lions, and tigers fans. we’re temporarily hating the pistons.
i hope CA falls into the ocean
by redwingxviii on May 9, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
The Lions
are one of the exceptions in sports where I would understand a change in loyalty based on geographic modification. In fact, I think moving for the sole reason of disowning the Lions and picking up a new team is valid in my mind.
sorry dude
true fans never switch allegiance. We might cheer a little for the local team, but only when they don’t play their favorite
by NorthbayWingsFan on May 9, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
You are obviously too stupid to get my post
The guy asked why people who are fans of an original six team have their team knocked out of the playoffs, why do they switch to another original six team still competing. I was trying to explain some of the mentality of why people do this, not trying to start ANOTHER stupid fight about California fans, etc. By the way, I AM from California. I was speaking from an outside perspective not my own. When the Wings are eliminated from the playoffs,my personal opinion is that the season is done, and I no longer care who wins. So, you are the kind of fan that trades his support based on every time he moves? By you user ID you must have lived in Tennessee at one time.
i think ed is dumb
maybe it’s because you’re from california and don’t understand, but we really like hockey, even when our team is out of the playoffs. we know all about all of our team’s player. we know most everything about your team’s players. we watch hockey on versus. we watch hockey on nbc. we skate on real ice from time to time. we aren’t casual fans.
if the sharks sucked, you wouldn’t be here. so there’s a lot you don’t understand.
by redwingxviii on May 10, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions
actually
I tend to root against West Coast teams in general; the only ones I think I like at all across the entire spectrum of sports are the Coyotes, the Cardinals (even though, yeah, AZ obviously isn’t on the West coast) and the Chargers, who it suddenly strikes me all have names beginning with C.
Especially when it comes to hockey (and again, the Coyotes and arguably the Hurricanes are odd exceptions to this), I don’t like to root for teams that come from “Warm weather areas.” Having lived in the north all my life, I’ve developed a prejudice against teams that never have to play/train in the cold. Everyone wants to go to USC for football so they can be out in that rage-inducing awesome coastal CA weather, while we have to find our snowshoes if we want to go to the gym. I know it’s silly and it doesn’t make much sense, but in most cases, I don’t root for any team south of I-70. ’Cept the Bengals. >.>
No Limits.
it's an old timer mentality ...
I think … and it’s somewhat understandable. Hockey isn’t a national pastime like football or baseball, it’s a regional sport w/some support from transplants around the country, but not much. It never will be a national sport. Bettman needs to suck it up & admit it. Personally, I’m hoping for a Canadian final .. that would piss off Bettman & NBC to no end. Ratings nightmare for US. Hell, they invented the game, get the Jets back to Winnepeg where they’ll be apprciated, instead of making them play in Glendale, where, when they play the Wings at least, it seems half the crowd has Yzerman jerseys.
by DawnW on May 10, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
How bad do we miss Scotty?
I never see anyone talk about this, so I thought I would throw it out there. In the late 80’s and early 90’s, the Redwings were not the dynasty they were about to become. What changed? They hired Scotty Bowman as coach. Two years later, they won the first of back to back cups, and became the dominant team they have been in the past 20 years. Even after Bowman retired as coach, he worked in the Redwing organization until 2008. Then he left and went to the Blackhawks. Let’s look at the Blackhawks. They had failed to make the playoffs for 9 of ten years, then Scotty came to the Blackhawks, and there they are, the team you see now. Did anyone else see what a bad off season the Wings had? We lost Hossa (like him or not, he is a great player), Samuelsson, Hudler, Kopecky, and replace them with Bertuzzi and Jason Williams (I will say that Miller and Eaves were good moves). But if you ask me, the loss of Scotty Bowman has been the biggest thing to take some of the heart away from the Wings.
Oh come on.
Bowman is an excellent asset to whichever organization he works for, but you can’t seriously think we lost in 2009 because he wasn’t a part of our organization anymore? And tell me, how would Bowman have kept Hossa, Samuelsson, Hudler, Kopecky? Who would he have replaced them with? The Salary Cap finally caught up to Detroit, and there wasn’t too much available in the off-season. (Also, Ken Hollands a great GM, but he’s not perfect. Not every single move he’s ever made was a great one…how about Calder, Lang, Krupp? They were pretty terrible. Bowman was still here for those ones too!) It’s the new natural cycle in teh NHL, it’s what they want: parity. Two years ago, the Wings were dominating opponents left and right. They have been slowly declining since then, and that’s not just because some players have left Detroit, but also because teams around them have gotten exponentially better the past few years. I mean, look at the West!
That being said, the WIngs are not doomed by any means. The cycle will rebound, let’s hope this year was the “low” part of the dycle.
The only thing I worry about in Detroit’s future is what happens when Nick Lidstrom retires…
Relax
I was just trying to spark some conversation. My above post apparently started more fire. I love Ken Holland, too. I am impressed at just keeping Franzen (who I felt was the more important guy than Hossa, et al.), Zetterberg, and Datsyuk to long term contracts. Also great choice in keeping Helm and AbdulKader vs. Leino, though I would have bet different at the start of the year. Just goes to show why I am not a GM. I thought Leino would have sizzled, not fizzled in Detroit.
Keep our back-to-back intact!
I for one will be rooting for SJ. Can’t let Hossa win with the Hawks like TuLoRocks2008 said, and definitely can’t let the Pens win back-to-back cups. I want us to be the last to do that for as long as possible.
And great icon neumdaddy — “Bart you wanna see my new chainsaw?!”
I will be rooting for San Jose as well. I feel a kinship with their fan base. Given that they’ve had a great team who’s had so many playoff disappointments.
Rocking the Red since 1975
I thought I'd feel the same
esp. b/c I’m old enough to have suffered through the “dead wing” years & b/c of McClellen. Maybe it’s too soon, but I don’t think they were really any better than us, just luckier. Most of all I hated the diving & those hits on Filpula & Franzen in the last game. Those were low. Can’t root for them after that.
What’s with the excuse making in the recap? I mean, it just seems weird that I come here for the recap and it’s like a laundry list of “boo hoo the sharks did this, the sharks did that!” I doubt Babcock or any of the players are taking the low road. Still, Wings lost four 1 goal games…what are you gonna do?
Good nail-bitin' series
Much respect for the Wings..as always an intimidating franchise drenched in veteran experience and incredible skill. I truly enjoyed watching our teams battle it out, and the show of skill on the ice from both sides made every single game incredibly entertaining (and stressful). Watching your RW’s is like watching a fine-tuned machine that has been perfected over years of hard work.. full of confidence, precision, and incredible individual skill.
A large part of why this win means so much to the SJ players and us fans is because the mountain that is Detroit was conquered after many years of it more often than not going the other way. A testament to the respect given to your boys in red. This year you’ll have to break the norm and let the youngins (at least in franchise age) have a turn..
Take care Red Wings fans.
Thought a bunch of you guys...
…were definitely cool. Pleasant blogging, nerve-wracking games.. etc.. But I love how over at FTF when our guy does something wrong we’re pretty open about t and it evening out, but here you’ll reference an elbow thrown against your player in your GAME RECAP but not an elbow thrown to the face of one of our players. So I’ll respectfully “lol” at the recaps themselves but say it was a damn good time with some of you bloggers here who came over to FTF. I’d say good luck next year, but I just can’t do that when it comes to the wings. How about good luck for you guys individually but not necessarily your team.. maybe that will suffice.
And yeah, I’d be here saying this if the Sharks lost the series.
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The play with the thrown elbow
is one that has received a lot of attention and headlines this season. Next year, that’s an automatic suspension for Murray as well as a five-minute major and ejection.
uhhhh
And the other play with the thrown elbow?
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Here it is
"probably"
Nice.
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by James Brady on May 10, 2010 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions
2 minute minor for Interference
At most.
It was shoulder to shoulder. If anything, I think Franzens head may have bounced off the ice.
The only reason it should have been a 2 minute minor for Interference is that Murray doesn’t even move to make his hit until after Franzen has passed the puck. So its just the slight lateness in the hit that makes it dirty, not because of some phantom elbow.
I just couldn’t figure out why Mick was all upset by that hit on Saturday.
let's go Hawks!
My choice (as I check the scores, since now I’m done watching any games) is for Chicago vs. Boston. :)
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by Baroque on May 9, 2010 8:31 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
You know, I actually think I will watch to see what a stress-free CF and SCF feels like!
As I have been excited for next season to start since the Happy news (it just feels right to have him back), it’s easier to sit back, let the guys get healthy and reset the expectations.
Anyone but the Pens and I won’t even mind if Hossa sees his dream come true because I don’t see how the Hawks can keep it together after this season.
LGRW!
Which is what makes it better.
Hossa is signed for the next 11 years, and will be stuck there with his anchor of a contract while they slide back to mediocrity as they can’t keep their core together.
Although, it would be nice if little brother can stick together long enough for us to smack them down one more time.
Go Sharks
As disappointed as I am that my Red Wings have been eliminated, I have to now root for the Sharks. I can not now or ever root for the Blackhawks. Too many bad memories from the old Norris division days. I can’t stand Vancouver either. I also have to believe that the Sharks genuinely beat the best team in the West to advance, so they must now be the best (for the time being). For now, I think the Sharks are the best hope to take the Cup away from the Penguins.
All complaints about officiating aside, the Sharks just flat outplayed the Red Wings this time. I hated to watch it, but it is what it is. The Sharks found another gear and overcame and the Red Wings did not. I have no doubt that next season will be much better for the Red Wings. It should be an interesting summer of hot stove action to see what the Red Wings do to get better. I can’t wait to see them in Traverse City in the fall.
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Nice post… and when my Sharks were eliminated at the hands of the Wings a couple of years ago, I had the same reaction… I had to cheer for the Red Wings… (I could NOT cheer for the damn Ducks, though…)
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by TuLoRocks2008 on May 10, 2010 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Not saying I am completeley dissapointed about the Wings (Look at my name to see why)
I would have preferred another re-match possibility (if we can finish our deed) from last year.
For the 1st half of the season, I was unsure if the Wings would even make top eight, let alone 5. You season started like hammered Dog poo, but ended (less the series) pretty well. You took out the puppies, and played 4 strong games against the #1 seed, and destroyed them in another. Back in NOV-DEC I would not have thought that possible.
I was one of the people who said the SC Favorites would always be Detroit until they were knocked off. I was hoping it would be us, but it was not in the cards.
My hats off to you guys for coming back from the early season dead, and making a series of it with the #1 seed in the WC Semi’s. I will be looking to our season series again next year (I am only looking as far as tonight right now).
Take care, and Good Luck in getting ready for next season (not meant to be smart ass, or snide but sincere)
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on May 9, 2010 9:39 AM CDT reply actions
Don't get me wrong, I'm surely not a Wings fan, and know it swings the other way too!
But you SCUM (I can’t not post it) were the team I was most concerned with us facing, after that followed by NSH (they played us tough in the season too), VAN, SJS, PHX.
Just to think that last game OT-W for you on the last day of the season, prevented this from being a CHI-DET series. If you all were to Face either the Whinny one from PIT, or the Dirty one from WSH, I may have gone for DET just to shove it up their arse.
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by Toews-makes-funny-faces on May 9, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Have we seen the last of Lidstrom, Draper, Osgood, and Homer?
They played hard throughout the postseason, but just didn’t seem to have that extra gear when they needed it. probably two straight years of 90+ games finally taking its toll. not taking anything away from the sharks or coyotes – both played great hockey. I’m ok with the sharks getting over the hump and wish them and their fans luck in the WC finals.
Is this the year the old guard decides to hang up the skates? Although Drapes and Ozzy have one more year on their contracts, Nick, Homer, Malts, Lilja, and Lebda are all FAs at the end of the year. Nick just turned 40, Drapes will be 38 in a couple of weeks, Malts and Homer are 36. Other FAs are Bertuzzi and Williams. Malts and Homer have both said they’d like to come back, but Nick hasn’t yet given us a hint. Bert may come back, but hopefully we’ve seen the last of WIlliams, again. My guess is Lilja or Lebda is back, but not both, as Kindl should make the squad next year as the 6th D-man (depending, of course on Nick).
Abby, Helm, Miller, Eaves, and Meech are all RFAs. All but Meech have earned new contracts, and Jimmy has probably earned an extension (1yr left) and a nice pay raise.
If I’ve calculated correctly from other sites, the Wings will only have $15-20mil in cap room to fill around 10 spots. yikes… let the offseason begin!!
"If I could start my life over again I would be a pro football player and you damn well better believe I would be a Pittsburgh Steeler!" Jack Lambert Hall of Induction speech 1990
maybe
but Detroit’s players are famous for taking pay cuts in a situation like this.
All I know is that next year we sure as shit better hold on to leads, and not losing 200+ man-games might not hurt either. Oh yeah, and special teams.
No Limits.
PROUD REDWING FAN
The season was a rollercoaster and the Wings played well given the circumstances
The SHARKS play good hockey and deserved to win HOWEVER Im sick and tired and seeing the obvious penaltys or aggressions against the Wings being ignored by the officials.
not just in this series but on a consistant basis. Sure ticky tac fouls dont get called and we get a few in our favor. But when our guys take stiches and get the foul or take carreer ending illegal hits with no call Somethings wrong.
Good luck to the SHARKS but i think they need to play better to win it all because there wont be another series where the calls will be so lopsided.. They can say what they want but power play goals especially the 5 on 3s made it real easy for them. We lost 4 one goal games so we have nothing to be ashamed of.ALREADYLooking to next year and hope the refs get there heads out of there asses by then.
you know
I just knew I’d say this at some point before Game 1 started, but it doesn’t bother me that we lost so much as how. CHI was on the same end of a tougher 5-game series than it looked like in the WCF next year and now it’s happened to us—the difference, as I see it, was the goddamn abysmal officiating. When you win three out of your four games in a playoff series off of 5-on3’s, I have a problem with that. All in all I think they called something like 70 penalties in five playoff games, a stat that literally leaves me speechless.
No Limits.
it also bothers me
that the Wings have a habit of losing with a whimper. This makes 2 straight poorly-played 2-1 eliminations.
No Limits.
Don't worry Wings fans..
Neither Chicago or Pitt will take the cup home this year.
On another note: When your team was still alive, you wings fans were ruthless, unforgiving and…. you were a bunch of a-holes! heh. But now I see most of you are very gracious in defeat (which is a lil weird to us in the bay area since we have to put up with Raider fans). Anyways, I don’t care what everyone else says about you guys, you’re alright. Good Luck next year!
hey
I’m still a ruthless and unforgiving asshole—it’s just that energy is now being deployed against my team rather than for it. Getting sick and tired of this win-1 lose-3 shit we keep doing. We did it for most of the regular season and had to ride a hot streak to make it into the playoffs.
No Limits.
Sith, I hope you are correct. I do NOT want to see the Pens take home the Cup this year, in any way, shape, or form.
As for the Hawks, their fans hate my team so I can’t really support them. (But I WILL support them, or any other opponent against the Pens.)
Rocking the Red since 1975
meh
its all the same to me. like I said, have Claude Lemieux come out of retirement and win the Cup my himself, for all I care. I hate Crosby as badly as the next guy, but honestly I just can’t bring myself to give two shits about who wins from here on out. I guess if I had to pick, I’d probably go for BOS and VAN, but meh.
No Limits.
Wings Fans,
Even though the Red Wings lost the playoffs this year, they did very well to get as far as they did. With all the injuries early in the season, it was looking pretty bad.
They played a very good series against a Phoenix team who seems to be living up to the name of the city in which they play.
I hope someone can take care of the “Evil Empire of the Eastern Conference” whether it be the Sharks or Hawks or whoever. (Of course, I’d rather see them dumped before they get to the SC Finals.)
And while I am not a Wings fan, they have a very good organization and Pavel Datsyuk is probably one of my favorite guys that’s not on my team.
Rocking the Red since 1975
The biggest asset for SJ going forward
is their defense, IMO. In this series it Detroit had a ridiculously hard time setting up their perimeter offense, and even when they did there was often a ton of physical pressure that led to quick turnovers. If they can keep that defense going, then I trust them to beat Pitt, if it comes to that. The Penguins have their hands full right now with another great defensive team in Montreal…just imagine what the Habs could be doing to them if they had the stars on offense that the Sharks do.
"Sooner or later, you're going to have #69 in your face." -Al Michaels
I'm just scratching my head
wondering how they’re under cap with all the talent they have. what are they paying these guys in, peanuts?
No Limits.
Have a lot of RFA's
Pavs and Seto make less than $2mil each, that is gonna be bumped up. Manny Malhotra makes $750k. Doug Wilson worked our minor league shuttle all year to keep to team under the cap.
next year, Wilson is gonna have some major decisions. But right now, Sharks fans are trying to enjoy the ride.
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off shore accounts
but shhhhhh, it’s a secret…
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by serrapadre716 on May 9, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
the defense was the biggest ?
coming into the post season. it was incredible to see the perimeter play, puck pursuit, and neutral zone coverage really come together, especially in this series. the 7-1 drubbing exposed what we have seen all year, sloppy coverage, failure to clear the puck, and zero neutral zone pressure.
nice to see other teams fans notice what the sharks did right, not just making sand castle arguments about refs putting the puck in the net for the sharks.
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by Jay Fin Anderson on May 9, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
"I did not know the NHL got their refs from the Sun Belt Conference"
That was one of my buddy’s facebook status. I found it funny, you have to be a Michigan fan to understand.
Detroit lost the series in Game 3. While the officiating in the other games can be debated, they had a 3-1 in Game 3 lead and blew it because of poor turnovers and shoddy goaltending (although Howard stepped up his game in the last two contests). The penalty situation in Game 3 was lopsided as well (6-2 I believe) but the Wings killed all of them off so it didn’t really have an effect on the game. They blew the game in OT and went in an 0-3 hole, instead of coming back to San Jose 2-2. That’s where we lost the series.
Back off man, I'm a scientist
Yup, I was definitely at the Alamo Bowl that day
Definitely THE single worst officiated game I have ever seen in my life.
In the past, the Wings would play through crap officiating. They just couldn’t do it this year. But make n mistake, the officiating in the series was horrid. The sad thing is that half of teh Sharks penalties were horrible too, even though they had like 1/3 the amount of crap penalties that teh Wings had.
Completely agree
Blowing that 2 goal lead is what killed the Wings in this series. They had to win all their games at the Joe and they couldn’t do it. Good season, we extended the playoff streak. Let’s make it 20 and 12 next year.
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by SonicMario(RW) on May 9, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Sometimes it feels like the end of the world
when we don’t win the Cup. This isn’t one of those years in my mind.
by handsomerob1 on May 10, 2010 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Offseason moves:
Do they have any cap room to sign a high profile free agent?
not unless Lids retires or they get rid of a substantial chunk of money
But i dont think that other than Hudler, the Wings will make a big splash. They’re retooling and trying to get the younger guys in on things before all of the older ones retire.
by Casey Richey on May 9, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Then again Hudler is a solid 20 goal scorer of the third line
but Bertuzzi is not the answer…i say let him and williams go. But sooner or later the old guard is going to leave entirely and Holland is going to have to sign another scorer..loosing samuelsson was big. Miller and Eaves, while solid players, are just not the right answer for the future. Keys to next year are a healthy Mule and the development of Ericsson
by Jared Z. Berg on May 9, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I would guess
I think that this is the last year we will have Maltby, Draper, Osgood, Bertuzzi, Williams, May, and Lebda. Our unrestricted free agents are Holmstrom, Bertuzzi, Williams, Maltby, May, Lidstrom, Lilja, Lebda, and Janik. Our RFAs are Helm, Abdelkader, Eaves, Miller, Ritola, Meech, Kindl, Toullefson, and Larrson. We wil have some room to be creative, but a major change up like this year will be hard to overcome. We should keep Holmstrom, Lidstrom, Lilja, and Janik from our URFAs, and all our RFAs. I am not trying to be ungrateful, my favorite players for ever have been Draper, Maltby, and Osgood, but I think they will retire this year. So, if Osgood goes, we will need a backup with experience, (maybe that guy from Vancouver, I can’t think of his name right now), we will need some grinders if we lose Maltby and Draper. I would think we would go after one of the guys from Chicago if anyone for a higher profile type, but not too big a splash.
I was hoping
that Mule missing that many games would actually help us/him through the playoffs a bit, since in theory he wasn’t as worn down from the rigors of the regular season. He actually did pretty well; it’s a shame he couldn’t have done it all by himself (although he pretty much did in Game 4).
No Limits.
FTF dude here
nice, heart stopping series, wouldn’t have it any other way. you guys played great all season and during the playoffs. good luck next season and hope to see you again in the playoffs…okay, maybe not.
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TO THE RED WINGS ORG AND THEIR FANS
As a long-time Sharks fan (since year one, almost 20 years ago), I wanted to take a moment to say thank you to the Red Wings for showing the San Jose Sharks how a class organization runs… I think that the Sharks take a back seat to no one for a good organization with great fans… but long before there was the Sharks… there were the Red Wings.
From your former captain Stevie Y, to current stalwart Nick Lidstrom… from your excellent coach Babcock (who brought our coach along nicely) to you excellent fans… Thank you.
I don’t just say this as an afterthought… I posted this before the series, as well.. I can build up no hate for such an organization. (although I can get a healthy dislike going while the puck is in motion.)… I think the Sharks needed this more that the Red Wings did… Our rafters need less space and more material… your rafters are filled with the banners that reflect your wonderful history. The Sharks have been selling out the tank with passionate fans for years and finally have a team worthy of that support.
You’ll be back… like always… because you only have to tweak and not rebuild…
Thanks for everything… (including letting me sit in for a bit in this cool forum…)
…All the best!
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Hockey fans aren’t like other fans. We may trash talk a lot during a series, but when it’s over, it’s over (unless it’s with the Penguins or Blackhawks, then it’s on 24/7/365).
San Jose capitalized when they needed to, played well and earned the wins. Good luck in the next round. Hopefully there will be a chance for paybacks next year.
For a Transition year, they did great.......
Considering all of the personnel turnover, all of the injuries, it’s a testament to the talent and guts on this team that they made it this far. When the Wings get knocked out of the postseason early, they usually lose to the team that goes to the finals, I think this year is no exception – the is a very good Sharks team that now seems to have that killer instinct to finish off games. They are big, fast, can score and have some punishing defense.
Believe me, I’m very disappointed that I won’t be able to watch the Wings move on, but they lost to a quality opponent.
Btw, just think – Holland has about $13 mil coming off the books for next year….
I agree that we lost to a quality opponent
but I would have liked to see a more honest contest. My problem isn’t that we lost to a team that had no talent, we lost to a team that didn’t have to use it very often. We had to work a lot harder than this to get out of the WCSF last year, and the Sharks more or less rode 5-on-3s to steal games.
People (mostly Sharks fans) like to talk about how “exciting” it was, and what a “nail biter” each game ended up being, but it was obvious by Game 2 how it would end.
No Limits.
Great season despite what anyone says
The Wings had their chances to take control in this series, with the exception of Game 2 which was the worst of the series. Game 1 they collapsed for a couple minutes allowing three goals. Game 3 they blew a two goal lead in the 3rd period. Last night they played a solid 2nd period but spent too much time chasing San Jose in the 1st/3rd and didn’t play to keep the puck.
There is no question that the officiating in the NHL is in a pathetic state and has been declining to this point in the past couple seasons. All we can do is hope, please dear God, that it gets better soon. I just want to enjoy heated 5 on 5 playoff hockey without a dozen power plays in each game. Regardless, the Wings could’ve played better.
That being said, the season was a roller coaster of ups and downs. By no means am I disappointed, as the Wings have entertained me every step of the way. October can’t come soon enough.
yeah
i will give that knee-on-knee a pass because IMO it was unintentional. and i need to see a replay to see if that hit on franzen was truley a headshot. but the real downer was that rafalski slip up that cost us the second goal.
PS, even with rafalski’s fuck ups in situations that matter… that wasnt the first time… I am still a fan of his… is that weird? i mean, when he’s on, he’s on.
Rafalski's misstep hurt, but....
where was the backcheck on Marleau? That’s just a blown assignment….
Also – Brad Stuart is a pimp. Loved the payback shot on Murray – ‘kill the head and the body will die’ – that guy is an ogre and he buckled him.
Shark's fan here but...
I was at the game yesterday and I just wanted to point out that despite this season, this series and whatever trash they’re talking on the internet ya’ll still have one of the best teams in hockey.
I have always really liked Zetterberg, one of those guilty pleasures you know, and one thing I noticed was that the two or three times he was on the puck with speed heading down the right there was a collective intake of breath in the building. The same goes for Datsyuk. Him on the puck coming up the middle with our blueliners backskating was pure and unadulterated terror. You could have lit a piece of paper on fire with the tension in the tank.
Anyways, we were the better TEAM this time around and as a result we won. Better luck next year.
no
like I keep saying, my problem was that the Sharks by and large didn’t have to utilize their talent to win this series. the wings even outscored the sharks, who had a couple of games handed to them with 5-on-3s. I don’t care who you are, 70 penalties is not playoff hockey and I hope human eyes never witness an abomination like this ever again. I won’t hold a grudge (since it wasn’t you guys who had the whistles) and the Sharks franchise or her fans, but I’m not convinced the “better team” won. We saw so little of them playing on even terms to really be saying that, IMO.
No Limits.
Whatever the referee’s allegedly did or didn’t call has absolutely no effect on teamwork.
I don’t really think anyone can argue that Detroit didn’t play up to what a Wing’s fan would consider an acceptable level. The lack of attention towards detail and poor play during crucial moments was undeniably there.
Arguments like “if Murray was called for his hit on Franzen then the game would be different” are completely irrelevant to who is the better team. Everyone throughout their career is on the wrong side of a decision; and as an athlete you play on since I’m pretty sure everyone knows whinging has never gotten a call overturned. On that particular play Rafalski shouldn’t have turned over the puck behind his net Lindstrom shouldn’t have let Joe make that pass and no one should have just let Marleau sit there uncontested between the circles. If you’re suggesting that Murray’s hit somehow led to Rafalski’s mistake than you’re wrong. The resulting faceoff in the Detroit zone only set up an unfavorable situation but it still took three or four collective mistakes by the Detroit and three or four good decisions by San Jose to result in a goal.
No one likes their team being scored on in 5 on 4/3 situations. Sure you can blame the referees in hindsight when you lose by a goal but who do you blame for continuing to get outplayed? If you’re down by one with 17+ mins left on the clock and only manage 3 or so shots on goal when the other team manages 10 who’s fault is that? Or who do you blame when you’re up by two and then blow the lead in regulation and have your goalie and defenseman leave a 40+ goal scorer open for a tap in during overtime? The referee? No.
In years past the Sharks have lost horribly in the playoffs. We fans blamed the referees, blamed the NHL and blamed our luck but in our hearts we all knew that the Sharks played like crap and deserved to lose. It’s about time that you guys just be proud of your rookie goalie, your all star team and your eleven championships and do the same.
by turnitin.com on May 9, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
well said.
rec’d
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by Jay Fin Anderson on May 9, 2010 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions
never said we didn't make mistakes
just saying it’s pretty clear which team benefited from the incredible amount of penalties and which one suffered. You cannot possibly argue the character of this series would have been radically different with sane officiating.
No Limits.
hm
Arguments like "if Murray was called for his hit on Franzen then the game would be different"
could be not would be… if there was a whistle puck wouldnt drop in our zone
On that particular play Rafalski shouldn’t have turned over the puck behind his net Lindstrom shouldn’t have let Joe make that pass and no one should have just let Marleau sit there uncontested between the circles.no one said otherwise
If you’re suggesting that Murray’s hit somehow led to Rafalski’s mistake than you’re wrong.considering a faceoff happened in between thats obvious… i’ve already said that was on raf and that was the deciding factor
Or who do you blame when you’re up by two and then blow the lead in regulation and have your goalie and defenseman leave a 40+ goal scorer open for a tap in during overtime? The referee? No.i dont think anyone did… the general consensus was that was howie/dmen on weak goals.
We fans blamed the referees, blamed the NHL and blamed our luck but in our hearts we all knew that the Sharks played like crap and deserved to lose.
this one just boggles my mind… why then is it being shown in the “only a wings fan” sort of light? oh yeah, because you beat us and are finally moving on since what, pre lockout (i cant remember)? i think the fans went a little overboard at rubbing it in, thats all.
It’s about time that you guys just be proud of your rookie goalie, your all star team and your eleven championships and do the same.
we all are, no question.
i think you couldve left it to your first comment. i liked that one.
Looking forward to a rematch
Seemed you were implying our shortcomings as being ignored and blamed on other things, which just isn’t the case. Good luck next series. Whoever it turns out to be, be thankful you have more than one day rest in between ;)
yeah
I guess that’s why you took the time to write the above article. sorry you don’t have any arguments left but that series was still garbage and over the whole series you guys still didn’t exactly carry the play 5v5.
That we kept it so close despite the wild discrepancies in penalties was interesting (and I assume is the basis on which Sharks fans trick themselves into thinking the calls didn’t decide the series), but I’m not really sure very many teams could possibly have won a series against a team like SJS with as many whistles against.
No Limits.
Are you sure?
So you came here just to make a large statement with many debatable points? LOLZ!
Great series
I was worried about the Wings going into the series, but after game 1, I was pretty sure we would win. I knew we had the better team, but Det had experience and knew how to get it done. I laugh about comments like “Hawks will win in 5” or “Hawks will win in 4 because they have Hossa” Give me a break. Yes, Chi-town is good, but Detroit is better and look how they got spanked by SJ. Sharks in 5 or 6. I know the loss is still fresh, but I thought Wings fans were smart hockey fans.
Here’s hoping Lindstrum returns next year
I think
That Game 3 was the Back-breaker for the Wings. Giving up a 2 goal lead like they did alot in the 1st half of the Reg. season and then losing in OT. If the defense stepped up for any of those 2 goals the Wings would (assuming the last 2 games would of happened) This series would still be going longer with a 3-2 Sharks Lead heading back to The Joe for a Game 6 and a good possibility of a Game 7
Getting beat MMA style
Yes, Game 3 was the backbreaker…but more specifially Couture’s goal that sent it into OT in the first place was the one that broke my heart.
True
one goal differentials still led to losing 4 games to 1. In my book, thats being spanked.
in my book
being spanked is game 4, not a close game to the end, as the rest were. but i will leave you with your opinion
you're right
Damn straight we got spanked in game 4. But one game does not a series make. Enjoy the off- season
We'll enjoy the off- season
In a month while hoisting the CUP baby!!!
true again
I agree that the refs sucked, but calls went against both teams and FOR both teams. This happens in every playoff series, be it football, baseball, basketball or our beloved hockey. Deal with it my friend.
Play hard
not saying they didn't go both ways
but I think it’s obvious which team it helped and which team it hurt
No Limits.
to the sharks fans
It was a damn good series. You guys won and good job. BUT, you need to realize this was just the second round. It gets way harder, and unfortunately for you, you guys acted like this was the Finals. the fans chanting at Pavilion “We beat Detroit”, yeah you did. One goal games wont cut it next round. enjoy the afterglow of this series, but remember; You HAVEN’T won anything yet.
by NorthbayWingsFan on May 9, 2010 4:06 PM CDT reply actions
Adding
There will be some very tough defeats handed to the Sharks yet to come (they’re definitely not winning 8 in a row). You thought the 1-0 OT loss against Colorado in round 1 was bad? Wait till your team loses in 3OTs in game 5 at home in the SCF with the Stanley Cup on the line. How the Sharks respond to a defeat like that will determine whether they’re worthy of the label “champion” or not. It’s an unanswered question…
So, enjoy the series win, but the road only gets tougher.
won't cut it?
I don’t understand how a 1-0 win won’t work in the finals? Isn’t that STILL a win? Yes, we know there are a lot of games still to playand we are looking forward to cheering on our team. Beating Detroit was a huge hurdle and since it wasn’t the SCF, we’ll chant “we beat Detroit” and revel in it and be totally pumped for it. Bring on the Hawkies
I’m saying they can’t be relied on. Most of our goal scorers didn’t show up. Other teams they will. And I still don’t think Nabokov is a good goalie in high pressure situations. he fights the puck too much
by NorthbayWingsFan on May 9, 2010 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Please don’t take this guy as representative of Sharks fans. If you didn’t notice, he’s not even registered on any blogs but yours.
..:Fear The Fin:..
The artist formerly known as cyoung
I wont
but I know a lot of other shark fans that are acting like him.
by NorthbayWingsFan on May 9, 2010 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Come on fellas, I’m not registered on other blogs because I have a wife, 2 kids and I run a business, so my spare time is limited. I’m registered here bacuause I like the Wings and always thought their fan base were on top of things. Of course I know not to rely on 1-0 games in round three. I’m not an idiot. I played hockey (both street and ice) and I have been going to sharks games since year 1 at the Cow Palace.
I’ve enjoyed blogging with you all as most of the comments are not like what I’ve read other places (i.e. oh boo hoo… the refs want to Sharks to win boo hoo) Don’t ruin my impression of you now. Hell, I even lived in your fair state for 3years while stationed in the up during my Air Force days.
Is it being a dick to be happy about my team’s win? No… I didn’t think so. You all are changing my opinion of Wings fans. I know it sucks to lose, believe me, I’m a Sharks fan, so I am familiar about post season losses. But I thought you all were a bit classier
you came onto this comment stream, blatantly proclaiming your shark fandom- which is fine. But you started commenting on stuff in a way that was for sure to get a rise out of wings fans, and piss people off. Now I don’t know if you did it deliberaltly or not, but you’re coming across as a dick.
by NorthbayWingsFan on May 9, 2010 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
LIsten all. I am certainly not trying to be a dick. If I came off that way, I apologize. Like I said before, I have always liked and respected the Wings, even while hating them :-). I base my comments on what people were talking about and what I wanted to talk about. What I did see was a lot, and I mean a lot, of complaining about the refs. Even to the point of blaming them and Toronto for the loss. If our positions were reversed, I’m sure you all would be telling Sharks fans to stop whining and accept the loss. Thats all I was saying.
If that provoked a rise, then so be it, but my intentions were to start a better, more hockey focused dialog about the GAMES,not the refs.
See you all on ’Fear the Fin"
way to go...
I admire someone who can apologize… I think your points are right on… I, like you, a die-hard Sharks’ fan, have admired the Red Wings organization for years… But every single team has its share of yahoo fans… yes. even the Original 6 teams… I find Detroit fans to be better than most… I would put them top shelf when it comes to analyzing a game… but there are some that will never accept the fact that a “California” team or its fans could be taken seriously… despite the fact that we’ve been watching hockey for 20 years… I hate to be lumped in with Avs or Predators or Ducks fans… The Sharks have a loyal following of passionate fans… that have lasted through good times and bad… We didn’t get a Stanley Cup team delivered to us (Avs)… or have a bunch of fair-weather fans (pick your team) only show up for the playoffs… We deserve a bit more respect than having some so-called hockey experts place us in Southern California (note: San Jose in in NORTHERN California)…
Anyway… I think our organization and fanbase are finally getting recognized… and I think we owe a debt or gratitude to those that came before us… that’s why I salute Motown.
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Amen.
Hey Ducks, fuck you very much.
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FUCK THE DUCKS and that balding douche bag Getzlaf and Corey (Katy) Perry
TULO = 2010 MVP!
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LETS GO WINGS!
by TuLoRocks2008 on May 10, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
and while we're at it....
Fuck the Pens too – man, did they get an easy draw, huh?
I can’t see any of those teams beating either the Hawks or the Sharks.
by Raoul Duke2k on May 9, 2010 5:16 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
yeah...
half makes me wish we go to the east at some point… also i want to beat the shit out of the leafs again.
that would be like taking candy from a baby tho huh? … you guys going East would provide you with no challenge
Ever get the feeling we are on a collision course with reality?
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" -- Benjamin Franklin
ya, because
the blues, preds, and jackets have put up quite the fight.
;-o
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
"He (Iginla) thinks he’s a pretty tough guy, so why not?" ~ Ryan Clowe
by Jay Fin Anderson on May 9, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
which division had 4 of 5 teams in the playoffs last year?
Although we can all agree that the NW is the joke of the West.
by Casey Richey on May 9, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Wings Fans?
Why would you not root for the sharks from this point on, if the Sharks lose in the coming round then your wings were eliminated in vain right? I always root for the team that knocks my team off.
Dude, lemme getchur keys.
That prayer lives on!
Now it’s a series! I still think Chicago will prevail, but I think it’s going to go to a game 7.
if the Sharks
play the Pens and the Hawks…no doubt in my mind i am going for SJ…but Go Nucks miracle come back!
TULO = 2010 MVP!
Troy Tulowitzki: "When people think of the Rockies, I want them to think of a winning organization."
LETS GO WINGS!
by TuLoRocks2008 on May 9, 2010 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Murrary hit on Franzen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTi9VsDcz1w
Just another view to look at…
"Imagine how many banners we would have if I was GM..." - Drew Remenda
what about the other hit
You all keep harping on the Murray hit on Franzen that wasn’t called.I agree on the missed call.But what about the Franzen hit to Murray’s face with about 2 minutes left in game 5? What about that no call?
The referee’s were equally horrible, but Detroit made too many mistakes and the Sharks were simply more disciplined
As you can see in the video, it was not a shoulder to head hit.
I’m a sharks fan and a frequent commenter on FTF. I pointed this out to have another, clearer, view of the hit. Your making points to the wrong guy…:)
"Imagine how many banners we would have if I was GM..." - Drew Remenda
by BrandonMK50 on May 11, 2010 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions
BAHAHA
yes, if anyone is to blame, its the fucking eagles…. actually not even that, the people who scheduled them
I bet some players could care less if there team makes the playoffs
imagine playing on a team like the thrashers or columbus or the islanders
your job starts in august for camp then you play an 82 game season staring in october and ending at the beginning of march
thats just over a half of a year then you get your paycheck of no less than 950,000 and you get the next 5 months off while 16 other clubs continue playing for the same pay. there is no OT pay as a professional athlete (unless you have a clause in your contract like hasek when he won the cup in 02)
not only do they continue to play but the intensity of the games is multiplied x100 your expected to scrifice your body to block shots you get hit harder busted teeth stitches brused & broken limbs even injured your pressured to play all for the same pay stated in your contract
now lets go back to being a player for the thrashers you have the summer off to enjoy with your family and even take in the occasional playoff war on television from the comfort of your own home / bed. no more road trips just a ralaxing enjoyable 5 months the only risk of injury is burning the stake on the barbecue while the other dummies in the nhl playoffs try to kill eachother for the glory of holding a oversized silver trophy over there heads
no thanks,
i wouldnt be suprised if some players felt this way
Yea..
your right..they completely forget about the whole reason they wanted to become a hockey player, to hold the “oversized silver trophy”. Professional athletes are competitors not losers… that oversized silver thing means more to them then their own soul.
huh?
i mean, maybe, but realize that players with playoff experience are paid at a premium, moreso if they have extended run experience. so even by the measure of playing for a payday, wanting to go home early makes no sense.
"Devin Setoguchi’s haircut has released the dragon" ~Drew Remenda
For some reason I have a feeling Jumbo is going to be a goddamn beast this year. Sharks are going to be tied 1-1 in the series going on the road for game three in the first round, and five minutes into the second he is just going to take over. ~Plank
"He (Iginla) thinks he’s a pretty tough guy, so why not?" ~ Ryan Clowe
by Jay Fin Anderson on May 10, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
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