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Laughable- The Chicago Blackhawks are so deep, they're destined to become the next Detroit Red Wings...oh wait, there's a Salary Cap?  Shoot...nevermind.  Blackhawks fans are delusional if they think they're keeping their team or anything close to it.

Just So You Know, Blackhawks Fans - Joe Burkel of Red Wings Guy Dot Com agrees with my sentiments about all of the brand new fans that have been fans of the Blackhawks for years (make sense?  It shouldn't.)  Don't go making dynasty claims when your team is about to implode in t-minus 20 days.

Disch's Favorite Defenseman Re-Signed - Among the people surprised about Doug Janik getting a new, two year deal are the boys over at The Production Line.  Michael Petrella has comprised an entertaining list of things more likely to happen than Janik making the team straight out of camp next season.

It's Finally Over - Brian from The Octopus Thrower gives us his thoughts now that the season has finalyl wrapped up.  In this article, he compares Marian Hossa's defection to Chicago to Ray Bourque jumping ship to Colorado.  Also pictured...naked Dixie Chicks...seriously.

Stupid Sexy Flanders- Graham from The Hole in the Door unleashes a tirade against the Chicago Blackhawks and their fans.  As a Red Wings fan living in Chicago, he's pretty much in Hades right now.  These grapes don't get much more sour.

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Its equally laughable that SCUM fans are delusional enough to think the Blackhawks will just turn into paper tigers next year. Will we be as deep as we were this year. Definitely not, UFA’s Madden, Burish, Boynton and such will be gone no doubt, as well as probably Versteeg or Byfuglien (maybe both). But with a core of Kane, Toews, Keith, Seabrook, and Hossa your kidding yourself if the 2010-2011 version of the Blackhawks aren’t a contender. You wan’t the division crown, you have to go through us. Turn of the tables eh?

Oh how did it feel to watch Hossa raise the cup with the Indian Head Sweater?

Good luck with next years team, the division race will be fun to watch.

And while Anahiem returns to the locker room, Todd Bertuzzi is cuffed and returns to the squad car.

by Detroit Must Die on Jun 11, 2010 1:52 AM CDT reply actions  

Psssh...

Yeah well that’s just like…you’re…oppinion, man.

Will we be as deep as we were this year.

That’s just pure idiocy and you go on to explain exactly why in the next sentance. Nothing like contradicting yourself in consecutive sentances.

by AnimalDrew on Jun 11, 2010 5:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice work taking things out of context.

i said, and i QUOTE,

“Will we be as deep as next year. definitely not.” HMMM….

try reading next time.

This was not in any way meant to be inflamatory, just stating a point. If you confused this for trolling, well, wow. What does that say about you?

redwingxviii actually got the point. thanks, i guess.

I’m pointing out simply this:

Are we going to be a dynasty, hell if I know. Maybe not. In the age of salary cap, probably not. However, do Blackhawks fans have a reason to be excited about next year despite the impending capocolypse that the media has played to the point of naseau? YES. we certainly do.

Other than the core that we locked up many of the unsung heroes of this run WILL be back next year:

Bolland: he came back from injury and reshaped his game as one of the most dynamic Third Line centers in the league. Great two-way versatility, a valuable penalty killer and power play point man, and number 36 will be back.

Hjalmarsson: He’s an RFA, he will be back, and he raised his game to really round out one of the best corps of top 4 blueliners in the game. He’s the rock, the solid stay at home guy that pairs the offensive minded Campbell exceedingly well. Did you happen to see the shot blocking clinic he put on this season, great penalty killer.

Kopecky: Detroit spare parts proved his worth. He had a great Stanely Cup final, and was the hero of game 1, he spent most of the season between the regular lines and the taxi crew, though he’ll stand to get regular time on the scoring and checking lines next year. Another career year for him is apparently just over the horizon after a “Breakout Year” (for a guy who spent most of his time on the 4th line) this year.

Niemi: first fin with a ring. That about somes it up.

Some faces will be gone: the UFAs (Madden, Burish, the likes) hopefully Huet can clear waivers and get demoted (otherwise we’ll likely buy out his contract), Sopel and Byfuglien or Versteeg (maybe both) will be traded. True.

But with a descent stable of talent and some AHL talent: Skille, Bickell (who came up and gave qaulity time this year), Crawford, and guys just on the horizon like Kyle Beach, the Blackhawks are not simply going to go back to irrelevance.

My point was, win or lose, the Blackhawks will be tough competitors next year, and they won’t go down without a fight. Take it or leave it. If you want to concoct that as inflammatroy trolling then get a life. If you want to do some ration, sensical hockey talk with a hockey fan from another team, then I’m all ears.

And while Anahiem returns to the locker room, Todd Bertuzzi is cuffed and returns to the squad car.

by Detroit Must Die on Jun 11, 2010 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

But with a core of Kane, Toews, Keith, Seabrook, and Hossa your kidding yourself if the 2010-2011 version of the Blackhawks aren’t a contender

Five players does not a team make. Good luck getting everyone under cap and fielding a full roster that’s competitive.

Oh how did it feel to watch Hossa raise the cup with the Indian Head Sweater?

Well, it sure as hell didn’t hurt any feelings of any Red Wings fans.

by Casey Richey on Jun 11, 2010 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hossa

If he had actually scored a goal or contributed in any way offensively last year, then he would have lifted the Cup as a Wing and then chased the money to Edmonton. Oh well, it didn’t break my heart to see him win.

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by Amerinadian on Jun 11, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

So your first reaction to winning the Cup

Is to come on a Red Wings site and spew your BS? Jesus why don’t you Hawks fans just try and ENJOY it?

Back off man, I'm a scientist

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by Ryan Weiss on Jun 11, 2010 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

SCUM

Ha ha ha – I love it that even the day after the Hawks win the Cup for the first time in 1,000 years, you still have to come on here and get all uppity to Wing fans – but you can’t call them the Wings, can you? From here on out, I will refer to the Hawks simply as Little Brother, and will start a movement to ensure that all Wing fans do the same.

If you believe that 5 players (1 of whom is already over 30 and has had decreased production in every post-season for the last 3 years) are going to carry your team to the Stanley Cup finals every year, I suggest you head on over to Pittsburgh and asked them how they did this year. The Cup is won with contributions from unexpected players: guys like Ben Eager scoring unlikely GWG in the Finals. How many goals did Toews have in the Finals? How many goals did Crosby have last year in the Finals? It’s the depth that gets you to the Promised Land, not the stars.

How about instead of worrying about next year already, you take the time to enjoy your team’s success? Because it’s not like you are going to experience this for another 50 years, anyway.

"I really like the guys who go for the win in overtime" - Brilliant analysis from HNIC's own Harry Neale

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by Amerinadian on Jun 11, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dude

We’ve called Chicago “Little Brother” for a while now.

by handsomerob1 on Jun 11, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

BTW

Your name speaks volumes as to the type of fan you are. You’d rather have an anti-Detroit screen name than a pro-Blackhawks one? You’re a real winner there, sport.

Thanks for stopping by.

"I really like the guys who go for the win in overtime" - Brilliant analysis from HNIC's own Harry Neale

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by Amerinadian on Jun 11, 2010 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

nice, i felt alone on the string against laaamer

but like i said, most of these fans will be gone by midseason next year, or at least out of creative things to say.

by redwingxviii on Jun 11, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

The string against laaamer

a few of us Wings fans went over to SCH to say congrats, he came by to say “thanks, look forward to next year” and you started shit with him. I thought you came across as classless.

In life, a man is either the hammer or the anvil. Ndamukong Suh is both

by JazzyBBP on Jun 11, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

disagree

he had plenty of inflammatory posts throughout the playoffs, there’s not much need for cross-blog posting – was he being inflammatory in that one? perhaps not. was my first response all that inflammatory? i don’t think so.

how many other hawks fans felt the need to post on here? one?

by redwingxviii on Jun 11, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

and besides

insulting blackhawks fans is at least on par with michael jackson / gary coleman jokes.

by redwingxviii on Jun 11, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Uhm...

You guys have 14 guys signed for next season with a cap hit of 57.5 million.

Care to explain how you’re going to get under the cap by signing players?

Oh, and that goalie who just carried you is due for arbitration. And is going to see a significant raise from his 900k that he made this year. And don’t expect Huet to pick up the slack.

by Robocop on Jun 11, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

SCUM?

Doesn’t that refer to Michigan (as in scUM), not the Red Wings. I understand if you saw it somewhere and thought you could reuse it, in which case we’ll just refer to you as Little Brother.

Or are you just calling us SCUM to call someone scum? In which case, can you please come up with something better?

My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
Me in 140 characters

by ReichardZ on Jun 11, 2010 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who ever said the Hawks won’t be a contender next year? I personally think it’s funny that everybody knows they’ll likely be a weaker team next season than they were in this one and that this “deep” team took six games to dispatch a Philadelphia Flyers squad that they should have rolled. Coach Quenneville got significantly outcoached by Laviolette in this series, but was fortunate enough to have a Hawks squad with the depth to win the series when the core wasn’t getting the job done.

Next year, the Hawks are going to have significant problems when the heavier load dropped on the core players isn’t as easily picked up by the lack of depth guys, especially with Quenneville behind the bench as one of the most overrated coaches in the history of the league.

Oh, you guys will be a contender, all right. Just stop pretending you’re the next Red Wings. Until you can turn over nearly 100% of your roster about four times over the course of a 19-year playoff run while remaining strong competitors, we don’t have anything to discuss in that realm. It’s not even about the cap; that shit’s hard to do even when the pocketbooks are unlimited.

by J.J. from Kansas on Jun 11, 2010 11:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Absolutely

With the core in place, the Hawks will be up there on the list of contenders for years to come. But that doesn’t mean that they will put forth a Stanley Cup-winning team every year, because the supporting players are not in place. Until the Hawks can rid themselves of the ridiculous contracts given out to guys like Campbell, Huet and Versteeg, they will have issues with the cap. Long gone are the days when you can commit half of your salary to 3-4 players, especially given that third and fourth line players are still making $1M+ in some circumstances.

If the Hawks have won a couple of Cups in the next 10 years and had consistent deep runs into the playoffs after great regular season success, then we can start talking about them in the same sentence as the Wings. Until then, they are a one-time Cup champion on par with the likes of the Lightning, Hurricanes and Ducks. Those were all very good one-year teams, but haven’t done much since.

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by Amerinadian on Jun 11, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

let's not get ahead of ourselves

they aren’t in the ducks class yet.

Looking forward to being the hunters next year.

by redwingxviii on Jun 11, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

True

The Ducks did cause some problems in the playoffs both before and after that. Still, only 1 Cup to show for it.

Definitely looking forward to seeing how the Hawks deal with getting everyone’s A-game next year. Pittsburgh struggled at times with being the champs, and the similarities are many (young team, young captain, bandwagon fans) between them and the Hawks. Plus, the Wings will be hungry to get back on top.

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by Amerinadian on Jun 11, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

well, ducks made 2 cups

i was sorta being tongue in cheek. everyone knows the most important championship is the last. which sucks. until next year, when we win.

wings have room to improve. improving is better than regressing. i’m a little bit concerned that we’re going to be too old next year, so maybe next year isn’t the year. but we have some great talent too, so who knows.

PIT, WAS, CHI, DET, SJ, VAN, and maybe a few others will all be in the hunt. But i think those 6 teams are probably the strongest.

by redwingxviii on Jun 11, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

“Until then, they are a one-time Cup champion on par with the likes of the Lightning, Hurricanes and Ducks. Those were all very good one-year teams, but haven’t done much since.”
(also the Pens have only won one Cup so far and their roster is getting thinner and thinner by the minute).

This is actually an interesting comparison. When the Lightning won the cup, their fans went crazy over having a core of Lecavalier, Richards, St. Louis and Boyle for years to come. But they locked up all their cash in those guys, had zero secondary depth and have been a joke ever since. Frankly, I see a lot of comparisons between the three Lightning forwards and Toews, Kane and Hossa, although at least 2 of the top 3 Lightning forwards were centres who are generally more important for a cup run than wingers. And you could compare Boyle to Keith pretty easily. The Hawks definitely have better depth than that Lightning team, but how much more after this off-season?

The Ducks are another great comparison. After winning the Cup they still had two Hall of Fame defensemen, two great top four after them (Beauch, Schneider), a Conn Smythe winning goaltender, two future Canadian Olympian forwards (Perry, Getzlaf), one of the top goal scoring wingers in history (Selanne) and a decent amount of depth, and what happened there?

The point is that no matter how strong a core seems, it takes an entire roster to win a cup. And even then, winning the cup is a war of attrition. Injuries, fatigue, lack of motivation, no longer effective coaching – these are all things that need to be considered. If the Hawks want to have a Dynasty they will need to deal with this and continue to have an infusion of young, hungry talent. This won’t be so easy.

by liddy5 on Jun 11, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tampa Bay

The lockout and the salary cap also hurt them badly. They never had a chance to defend the Cup properly the year after they won it, and their core was locked up under entirely different rules.

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by Baroque on Jun 12, 2010 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, yeah... forgot one thing

Your RFA “cup-winning” goalie posted a 3.67 GAA and .877 sv% in the finals and is now going to be demanding probably between $2-3M while your GM gets to worry about cleaning up the mess that is a $5.6M contract for Cristobal Huet that will probably end up with the proverbial brushing him under the carpet.

Enjoy the sophomore slump.

by J.J. from Kansas on Jun 11, 2010 11:13 AM CDT reply actions  

That’s not the only problem contract that Tallon left for him.

Don’t forget he also tied up 7.5 million to Campbell. And I’m pretty sure he’s signed through the second coming.

by Robocop on Jun 11, 2010 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Every time I think of Brian Campbell, the song ‘The Future’s So Bright, I Gotta Wear Shades’ comes to mind. Most people think it’s all about how things are looking up all-around, but it’s really about how armageddon is coming.

Yeah, so Brian Campbell is like that…

by J.J. from Kansas on Jun 11, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

yikes

I understand what Ryan was talking about over at BYB now.

I for one was thrilled to see Hossa win the Cup – but they I even cheered for Ottawa when he was on that team, too. I always wanted him to win a Cup. No clue why – I just always have liked him.

And I’m thrilled for the Blackhawk fans, too – not the ones who never paid attention before about 20 minutes ago and are suddenly the “biggest fans EVER!!!” but the long-term fans who suffered through decades of no television, ownership which may have made the comment that “Stanley Cups are too expensive,” and were only back on television like a normal team after an owner died. People like my mom who was a freshman in high school when they last won a Cup.

Chicago fans should enjoy the win and the summer, because – regardless of roster changes or lack thereof – there is no guarantee that this will ever happen again, to any team. Not Chicago, not Detroit, not anyone.

"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
Science nerd and proud of it!

by Baroque on Jun 12, 2010 7:52 AM CDT reply actions  

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