Does Lebda's new contract set a precedent?
There've been a few head scratching contracts so far during the off-season. The Rangers signed Derek Boogaard for four years at $6.5 million--a player who hasn't scored a goal since I was in high school. Jody Shelley earned a $1.2 million deal with Philadelphia and Matt Cullen signed a fresh $3.5 million deal with Minnesota.
Yesterday, Brett Lebda signed a two-year contract with the Toronto Maple Leafs with a salary of $1.5 million next season and $1.4 million the following season. Last season in Detroit, as a third pairing defenseman who sat out quite a few games, Lebda earned $850,000. A $650,000 increase for a player coming off his worst NHL season (offensively) and has seemingly hit a plateau in his defensive game.
I'm not going to sit here and rip on Lebda as a player, he's had enough of that throughout his career and most of it is pretty unjust. Rather, is the way the free agent market and general managers have conducted business started to spiral a bit out of control? I understand that the cap has increased so there is more room for bigger contracts but that does not necessitate a player signing a contract that might put him outside of his worth. Contracts for lower tier players are increasing in value and in turn it increases the contract values of the upper echelon players like Ilya Kovalchuk and the expected $8.5-$10 million that he will earn. So is all of this a matter of the free agent market expanding in terms of contract demands or is it the effect of bad moves by GMs?
Here's a problem I have with the contract: Lebda goes to Toronto to serve as a 5th/6th defenseman. Fine. But if he falters in his game he will be immediately tossed to the media dogs in Toronto and be ripped apart for being overpaid and a bust, a label that will stay with him until he proves otherwise. Lebda is entering a vicious market in Toronto where players are expected to earn every penny of their contract. So how does a player of Lebda's caliber avoid the potential scrutiny cast his way if he underperforms his contract? What about Derek Boogaard and his $1.7 million next season to sit in the penalty box?
Does the rising value for lower end players look worse for the player himself or the guy that offered him the contract?
Case A: The GM
Signing players as a general manager is often very hit or miss, especially signing a player from outside the system. Add in trying to lockup a valuable asset for a long duration at a low price and you get the ludicrous deals that have Rick DiPietro with the New York Islanders for 15 years, Marian Hossa in Chicago for 12, Henrik Zetterberg and Johan Franzen both until 2020. Usually, middle of the road and lower end players draw less attention to the GMs when contracts are indeed offered. However, when contracts like that of Lebda and Boogaard take up more cap-space than they probably should, the GM has the blame aimed his way. Add in the possibility of a player underplaying his contract and the blame shifts more and more towards the front office. On the flipside, the GM has no control over how well the player fits into the system and adapts given his new environment. Usually, things break even for the GM but a good portion of the pressure in terms of the job responsibility comes from signing the right players and at the appropriate price.
Case B: The player
Plain and simple a player is going to seek the most money offered to him, and why not? So you can bet that Brett Lebda was giddy at the offer from the Toronto brass. Lebda probably isn't the best example in terms of a player underplaying his contract because in all likelihood he will pan out as serviceable in Toronto, not warranting true calls for his head. However, there are several other players that have massively underperformed the contracts given to them. Michael Nylander, for example, started making $5.5 million a year for three years in 2007-2008 following his 79 point and 83 point seasons for the Rangers in 05/06 and 06/07. The two years in Washington that he made $5.5 million per (the third year was in Grand Rapids), his production declined greatly with 37 points in 07-08 (although injury shortened) and 33 points in 08-09. To some degree, Ilya Kovalchuk isn't worth his contract. If a player is going to make over $8.5 million, he should be doing everything possible on the ice instead of just offense. There's a lot of pressure on a player to earn his contract but when a GM offers him more money than he should be making, it's difficult to even it out with production.
So what are your thoughts on the whole thought of overpaid player vs. stupid GM?
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In Defense of Lebda
He did play with an injured Jonathan Erickson, Andrea Killja and any Grand Rapids fill in the blank for a partner. Do the math Bobby Orr in his prime might have had difficulties with those pairings and the third or fourth line of the Grand Rapids Red Wings Last Season. Lebda never got PP time as a Redwing even though he moves the puck better than say Jason Williams….
I’m pretty sure Bobby Orr woulda done better than Lebda. And Williams was on PP above Lebda because he had an absolute rocket.
Very rarely
did i see him ever have any control over the rocket… he shot it hard but man sometimes i thought he was aiming for the seats.
I can’t believe you used Lebda and Orr in the same sentence. You’ve lost all credibility in my book. Orr was a beast and in many cases got the job done by himself. He could skate the puck end to end and finish.
by RVB on Jul 9, 2010 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Orr Maybe the Greatest Plyer Ever in the NHL, but Babcock is a Poor Evaluator of talent and a USA Hockey Hater
Was the greatest defenseman of all time maybe the best of all time as a player. That being said, Scotty Bowman was reassembling his defense from the Canadiens of the seventies and Lebda was going to be a big part of that. Lebda came up and was paired with Chris Chelios and was developing into a good defenseman with great speed before Mike the Canadian decided all Redwings born in the USA were useless. Babcock’s misuse of Lebda and his disregard for Chelios, along with his love affair with Lilja led to the decline of Cheli and Lebda! Babcock favors certain marginal players and misuses them ie Leino, almost Conn Smythe performace as evidence of Mike’s incompetance as a talent evaluator. This list is increasing every year we let another Leino, Lebda or Quincey go to another team to shine!!!
by Marcmargolis on Jul 10, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Jeremy Roenick, is that you? The notion that Babcock favors Canadians or non-Americans over Americans is ridiculous. Is that why Jimmy Howard started the vast majority of games for the Red Wings this season? Is that why Justin Abdelkader got excellent playoff minutes?
by Casey Richey on Jul 10, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
It's definitely on the GM
I’m happy for Lebda. He’s not worth that kind of cash, but if he can get it, more power to him
the GM has no control over how well the player fits into the system
I think thats a HUGE part of the GMs job. He has to identify players that fit
In life, a man is either the hammer or the anvil. Ndamukong Suh is both
Lebda is a Bargain
Mark my words he will be an All-Star in Toronto.
by Marcmargolis on Jul 10, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
you mean...like an NHL All-Star team?
That’s possible now that he’s in the Leastern Conference but very, very unlikely.
by Casey Richey on Jul 12, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
GM
A bad contract looks bad for the GM and to some extend the coach, not the player.
Lets take Lebda as an example, if Toronto offers 2.9 mill over 2 years, what is he supposed to do? say that is really too much and accept 2 mill over 2 years to play for the Islanders?
I understand a player can some times take a discount to go to a contender and that is fine, but if you are getting offers from similar level teams you take the biggest one.
The problem for some teams is that the GM is too powerful, so the GM brings in players and hires the coach, but with his own plan in mind, not ensuring that what the coach wants to do fits with what the GM has in mind. You need a GM who works with the coach and with the player evaluation staff to come to a consensus about what players fit the scheme and what players would add to the team in terms adding strengths that are in short supply.
The reason Kenny Holland is so revered as a GM is not that he doesn’t make bad decisions, he does, but maybe not as often as some, it is that he makes many good decisions. He has everyone involved in decision making and makes sure that every one is on the same page, he is not going to go out and sign a player to big contract if he doesn’t fit with what Babcock wants to do.
Reading a post draft interview with Yzerman, also shed a little light on how Holland operates.
When he was preparing to make is first pick as GM, he grilled his scouts on why they thought that player was the one they wanted, what they saw in him, why they thought he was right.
When the scouts asked him who was making this pick, he told them they were. They were the ones who had watched these kids countless times and knew what each was capable of and what kind of potential they had. He had to rely on them to make the decision, and it was up to him to make sure that they believed in their decision and to trust in them.
That’s where I think Holland does it right. He lets the scouts do their job, and if they truly believe in a player, he trusts that assessment and goes with it. If he can find any doubt, if they aren’t sure about something, they move to another pick. They don’t just stick with it because its the one Melrose put on his draft board on VS.
Both
Both the GM and player come to the table with the figure in mind. It’s not as if the GM does all the negotiating. That being said, I can’t blame a player for taking as much money as he can get and I only mind the ridiculous contracts if it is my GM handing them out.
My two favorite teams are the Tigers and Brewers. Drunk tigers. That sounds about right.
Me in 140 characters
I say that the contract falls on the GM. The job of a player’s agent is to get the best contract possible for the player, usually that means more money and the promise of a bigger role.
And in defense of Lebda, this last season I thought he played better than Ericsson did most of the time.
Granted, when Ericsson stops making dangerous passes right in front of our goalie, and stops doing dumb things, he shows flashes of a much better player. But as far as 3rd pairing goes, I thought that Lilja/Lebda was pretty solid… At least compared to a lot of the other crap we saw this season.
Lebda is fast, and he ended the season being much more consistent that he started. But I don’t see that he has that much more potential left.
On the other hand, we’re comparing him to the top 4 Wings defensemen. On the Leafs, I think that Lebda does have the potential to contribute more on the 2nd pair. Also, if he plays in a system that is not as defense-oriented, I suspect he would probably be able to put up more points as well.
I think it is on everyone. GM for signing them to the contract, player for not performing well enough to earn the contract, and coach for not getting the contract’s worth out of the player. Not to mention the scouts for not giving a good enough report on the player. And the owner for letting the GM do it.
The Brett Lebda Investigation
I found this the other day, maybe it can make sense of all this.
by Biscuit in Basket on Jul 12, 2010 7:44 PM CDT reply actions





















