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The Palace vs. The Joe: What a difference a decade makes

The recent announcement that Mike Ilitch, owner of the Tigers and Red Wings, intends to buy the Detroit Pistons has sparked a lot of talk amongst the Detroit community lately. First and foremost, Ilitch's role in the sale of the Pistons has led to much speculation that his real motive for buying the team is so he can build a new arena, then move both the Red Wings and Pistons into the new place.

It's also brought up the not-so-new idea of the Red Wings temporarily abandoning Joe Louis Arena for a part-time stay at the Palace of Auburn Hills while the new arena is built. It's been made pretty clear that Ilitch wants a new arena whether he gets the Pistons or not, but having two indoor teams would certainly help his pitch to the city.

So with all the new rumors swirling around Detroit, I thought we'd take a look at our two oldest arenas. The Palace and The Joe were built just nine years apart, but they sport two drastically different looks.

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JOE LOUIS ARENA
Built:
1979
Capacity: 20,058

The best phrase I would use to describe the Joe would be "concrete box." Built at the end of the 1970s to replace the old Olympia, the Joe certainly wasn't revolutionary for it's time. JLA definitely has the feel of an old school arena; you feel like you're right on top of the action no matter where you sit.

As was the complaint with many of the older stadiums, there is simply no space at the Joe. The concourse gets packed even on nights when there's a less than capacity crowd. The seats are almost on top of each other, and the narrow, steep section stairs are like a death trap waiting to happen. Getting into the Joe itself is no easy task either; there's only two entrances, both of which feature huge, steep concrete steps that make you feel like "Rocky" every time you climb them. 

The worst part about the Joe? The bathrooms. Just ask any guy that's ever had to answer nature's call at JLA.

THE PALACE OF AUBURN HILLS
Built:
1988
Capacity: 22,076(basketball) 20,804 (hockey)

Nearly a decade after Joe Louis opened its doors, William Davidson built the $70 million Palace in the suburb of Auburn Hills, all out of private funding. The Palace was considered the first of the modern arenas, sporting 180 luxury suites when it opened, outlandish for its time. But as the years went on, many stadiums have followed in the footsteps of the Palace of Auburn Hills.

When you step inside the Palace, you don't feel like it's a 22-year old building. The place looks like it was built last week. There's so much more space at the Palace compared to the Joe it feels like sitting in an open field to a Red Wings fan. But, the drawback to more space is that you're also farther away from the action, unlike the experience at JLA.

Looking at the Joe, it's no wonder William Davidson turned down the chance to share the arena with the Red Wings back in 1979. He probably took one look at the bathrooms and said "You want me to go in THERE?" The Joe gives you a great game experience, but it lacks so many other commodities that other arenas now offer.

With Ilitch now in the running to buy the Pistons, moving to the Palace could become a real possibility, even if the city doesn't immediately approve of a new arena. The Palace certainly doesn't need to be replaced and is more than capable of hosting a hockey team. 

With that in mind, which venue would you prefer the Red Wings to play in?

Poll
Which arena should the Red Wings play in if Ilitch buys the Pistons?
Keep them at Joe Louis
373 votes
Move to the Palace permanently
90 votes
Stay at the Palace temporarily until a new arena is built
418 votes

881 votes | Poll has closed

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The Joe

only cuz of the history and its great hockey feeling. and i would like to save a couple bucks for a cheaper seat

by hyeh81 on Aug 13, 2010 10:17 PM CDT reply actions  

No Option D?

I get it the Joe’s running out of life,but I rather watch a game there than anywhere else. Finish out their tenure there,and then once the arenas finished move them over. I mean,no sense in moving all those banners to Auburn Hills just to move them right back to downtown Detroit

by Jimbo5203 on Aug 14, 2010 7:32 AM CDT reply actions  

I should clarify

The “keep them at Joe Louis” option really means “keep them at Joe Louis until a replacement is built.” Iltich is going to push for a new arena regardless of whether he gets the Pistons.

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by Ryan Weiss on Aug 15, 2010 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

As much as I love it, the Joe has to go

There are too many renovations needed for a quick fix.

by Rob Rogacki on Aug 15, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Where I do think they should play? They should stay at the Joe until the new arena is built, IF they can do so without major renovations. If they cannot… then yeah, it’d be best to play at the Palace, I think.

Where I do I want them to play? The Palace. I hate going to Detroit. The Palace is easier to get to from northern Sterling Heights, has better parking, and is just a nicer arena to go to. Though the atmosphere never matches the Joe.

by Apocalyptic0n3 on Aug 14, 2010 9:09 AM CDT reply actions  

The "Detroit" Red Wings

Not the Red Wings of Auburn Hills! I live in Southern Wayne County and if the Red Wings move to Oakland County they can keep my Season Tickets.

If the Red Wings move to Oakland County it would add another hour to hour and a half drive each way to see a game. And as bad as access is to the Joe being locked down on the riverside access to the Palace is even worse.

Keep the Red Wings in Detroit!

by Graywolf on Aug 14, 2010 9:17 AM CDT reply actions  

For every one person in Southern Wayne County that say “I’m not driving all the way up there for a game”, they will gain a ton of Oakland and Macomb County fans that will go to more games because they don’t have to go down to Detroit and deal with that shoddy parking to see a game.

"I don't take shit from anybody... If I have to throw somebody on their neck two times for them to understand that, it's that simple. They are not going to disgrace me." -Ndamukong Suh

by Droid6 on Aug 16, 2010 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Count me amongst the Macomb fans. I’d go to the Palace ten times before I even thought about going to the Joe.

by Apocalyptic0n3 on Aug 16, 2010 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Should be downtown. For me, travel time doesn’t matter since I live in Grand Rapids… but it would be nice for them to be in a new arena. Stay in Joe Louis or build new. No to the Palace.

by dewman8810 on Aug 14, 2010 10:57 AM CDT reply actions  

The Joe has its many problems, but at least you’re within walking distance to other forms of entertainment. That’s not real practical at the Palace, and as far as I’m concerned is a key part of the game day experience.

by Nate A on Aug 14, 2010 12:03 PM CDT reply actions  

If only the Palace was downtown...

I don’t even know if we would be talking about a new stadium if the Palace was downtown because, as Ryan mentioned, the place still feels like a new arena.

As for what to do, it depends on what type of lease the team can work out with the city for the Joe. If a short-term lease is feasible, I’d say keep the at the Joe. I have my doubts though, so I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Wings at the Palace for a season or two.

Of course, this all hinges on Illitch actually buying the team. There’s reports of at least 3 people/groups interested.

by Rob Rogacki on Aug 14, 2010 11:53 PM CDT reply actions  

the bathrooms?

everybody knows the bathrooms are one of the best parts of the Joe. Who doesn’t love the troughs?

by larryjam on Aug 15, 2010 5:35 AM CDT reply actions  

I hate when teams share arenas. I would definitely say keep the Wings downtown and have them stay at the Joe until a new arena opens. The Palace is too much of a pain to get to

by spartanhockey89 on Aug 15, 2010 11:21 AM CDT reply actions  

Even if...

The Red Wings stay downtown… they still could end up roomates with the Pistons, in the new arena, …all depends on what happens. If that’s the case, I don’t think it’s too bad of an idea. Other teams/leagues that share arena’s don’t seem to have many problems, that I know of. Plus it would probably end up being cheaper for everyone involved, including the fans.

I’m all about turning the Joe into some type of museum, not only for the Wings but for Detroit sports in general.

STAND TALL, FLY STRAIGHT, USA ALL THE WAY!

by DetroitALLtheWay09 on Aug 15, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree with you 100%. the Lakers, Kings and Clippers all share the Staples Center and it hasn’t presented much of a problem (mainly because the kings and clippers aren’t very good so there’s not much post season conflict)
Plus I would love to see a real Michigan Sports Hall of Fame instead if that stupid Hallway in Cobo.

by Lostincali on Aug 15, 2010 3:19 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

correct me (really, let me know what the current situation is) if I am wrong, but isn’t one of the issues here that the Wings lease is set to expire and to stay at the JLA (even for a couple of seasons) they would have to sign an extended contract? It was a while ago I read about the contract stuff there and I am too lazy to look it up again right now.
If that is the case though I could hardly blame Illitch for moving them for couple of seasons to the Palace while a new stadium is built. And its not like the Palace is some random building, while it doesn’t have Red Wings history, the Pistons have won three championships there, and the Vipers brought some hockey credibility to it, albeit not NHL.
I haven’t been in the JLA in years, and my memory of it is foggy at best, but I have seen the Wings play at the Honda Center (ducks) Staples (Kings) and HP Pavilion (Sharks) in the past year (I’ve been living in Cali for the last ten years) and a stadium like any of those three would be nice. they’re all a bit smaller than the JLA, but they are all great venues for the game.

by Lostincali on Aug 15, 2010 1:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Lost, the original 30 year lease for The Joe has expired as of June 2010, they are now (I guess) on a year to year agreement with the city.

by mc keeper on Aug 15, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Either way..

They need to do what’s best for the city of Detroit. I live in Florida now and have most my life but from what I can tell and what friends, family and media tell me… Detroit NEEDS the Red Wings!! Possibly the last bit of hope in a city hard hit by economic woes.

It’s been awhile since I’ve been back. Last time I was at the Palace was for a Vipers game on my 16th Birthday (Samsanov with game winner!!)… I’m 26 now, so it’s been awhile. Yes, it’s a great arena but Detroit is great city and needs this team right now. I trust that nobody knows this more than Mr. Ilitch

Get a few more years out of the Joe and get that new arena in quick… I would think buying the Pistons would only help speed things along and look even better for the CITY.

STAND TALL, FLY STRAIGHT, USA ALL THE WAY!

by DetroitALLtheWay09 on Aug 15, 2010 3:19 PM CDT reply actions  

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