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Battle for the third defensive pairing

Heading into the 2010-2011 season, seemingly one of the biggest remaining questions Mike Babcock and the Red Wings face is about who will be on the third defensive pairing. The common route at this point is that veteran but newbie Red Wing Ruslan Salei and Jonathan "Big Rig" Ericsson will constitute the third pairing. But is it safe, or fair, to assume that this will be the pairing that takes the ice on opening night in Detroit?

Detroit has a few potential candidates that could fill the third line pairings. Jakub Kindl has been groomed in Grand Rapids over the past three seasons and it seems like his game has finally matured enough to make the jump to the Red Wings (that, and he has run out of years in the AHL and must sign a NHL contract). Derek Meech has been with the team the past 3 seasons, averaging about 40 games per year. He recently signed a new contract (for league minimum) and has voiced that he would rather be traded than sit in the press box for the majority of the season. With the addition of Salei and the re-signing of Justin Abdelkader, most expect Meech will request a trade out of Motown.  Doug Janik is another potential candidate but his production has declined greatly over the years and he is lower-tier NHL, higher-tier AHL talent at this point in his career. 

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Salei has the most experience by far of any of the candidates for the third pairing and although he has lost a bit of his edge over the years, he's still (at the very least) a serviceable defenseman that can play third line minutes. However, Salei suffered a back injury last season and only played in 14 games so his health might be a problem factor for him again this year. Ericsson should be a definite candidate to get a starting gig considering his youth and the flashes of good play he's shown in the past but he has also showed that he can be pretty awful. However, when considering Ericsson's poor play last year, you also have to look at the fact that he was playing alongside the always-out-of-position-because-he's-too-far-up-the-ice-trying-to-score-goals-like-he's-Bobby-Orr Brett Lebda or Andreas Lilja, who had the well chronicled bout with headaches following a concussion. 

One of the guys who I think could get heavy consideration for the other spot is Jakub Kindl. I would imagine they want him to get as much playing time as possible in a sort of baptism by fire route and most likely there will be a heavy rotation of players for the third pairing. Kindl showed in the handful of games last year that he's capable of playing right now and that he will be second pairing material at the least in the future.

The darkhorse could be the young University of Wisconsin product Brendan Smith. Will he get to crack the top 6 this year for a long stretch? Not a chance in hell with the way the organization develops players in the AHL first but I would not be surprised at all if he did see a few games at the NHL level. He's an excellent puck mover in his own zone and in the offensive zone--scoring 15 goals and adding 37 assists in the 2009-2010 Badgers' season. However, I think the only way he sees the ice at Joe Louis Arena this year is if there is an injury to two players ahead of him. I think he might get the call ahead of Doug Janik because of the ability he has in the offensive zone, but then again who knows how Smith's skills will translate as he transitions to the AHL(also, this may not help things).

The pairing I would go with for the 2009-2010 season is Jakub Kindl and Jonathan Ericsson. It's a bit risky to put a pairing so young on the ice but I think it would allow both players to mature at a faster pace because of the necessity to play well to avoid hanging the other out to dry. I think there's a tendency for young players to rely on a veteran to cover his ass to an extent but with two younger guys they would be required to play more sound hockey. That being said, I would still expect to see a heavy dose of Ruslan Salei for either player throughout the season to allow for proper rest and to provide a change of pace/physicality for different nights. 

So who would you put as the third pairing for the Red Wings? Tell us below who you would put on the ice and why.

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I've got Salei and Ericsson for most games

I think Salei will be the mentor that Ericsson needs so he doesn’t feel so much pressure to constantly be stalwart of the third pairing. I think Kindl should get ample time though, somwhere in the neighborhood of 30 games to spell Salei so he’ll be good for the playoffs, where his style draws fewer penalty calls.

If we need a callup for 1 or 2 games, I’d want Smith over Janik, but if we need long-term help, I’d put Janik out there as the more consistent defense-first guy, even though I think Smith has way more upside.

by J.J. from Kansas on Aug 27, 2010 2:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Agree with JJ

Id probably go the Ericsson with Salei route as well…gives Ericsson a solid vet to learn under,and probably mix it up with Kindl every couple of games just to get him more exposure and save Salei for a playoff run. Maybe if we’re in a safespot come April,throw Smith out there a couple games just to get him some experience and rest a few more vets.

by Jimbo5203 on Aug 27, 2010 3:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Ericsson and Salei most likely. Should put Kindl in for a few games too though. Most likely someone will be hurt at some point anyways. Also, just trade Derek Meech already. Sure it’s nice to have him in case of injuries, but Detroit’s depth at defense is enough to fill in the gaps. Give Meech the chance to play every game somewhere else. Look what it did for Kyle Quincey.

by dewman8810 on Aug 27, 2010 3:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Ideally i want to see Ericsson and Kindl....

…win jobs out of camp leaving no doubt. However I know that’s wishful thinking.I feel Ericsson will play better this season after maybe trying a bit to hard to impress last year, and Kindl is a big part of the future at D, so if they show they can handle the minutes there’s no point in delaying things. Being young though I’m sure we will see Salei mixed in. In any case I think it’s those 3 guys, and possibly a mid-season veteran pickup.

by ManBearPig21 on Aug 27, 2010 5:49 PM CDT reply actions  

If I was a betting man, I’d put my money on a third pair of Ericsson/Salei, but I really hope Kindl has a strong showing this season. Same goes for Smith down in Grand Rapids (where he will most likely be). With Salei’s recent back problems, I’d start with the E/Salei pairing, but when the Wings play weaker teams, maybe give Ruslan the night off and play the kids together. The better Ericsson/Kindl/Smith play, the better it will make me feel about the post-Lidstrom future.

by JeffHancock41 on Aug 27, 2010 7:18 PM CDT reply actions  

I am sure you all are sick of hearing me preach this, but we must get Kindl some major time next to Lidstrom. Kindl is the closest thing that we have to a franchise defenseman and with our franchise defenseman of nearly two decades (and also one of the best to ever lace up their skates) is about to call it quits, we cannot afford to have Kindl miss out on some mentorship from Lidstrom.

Ideally, I’d want Ericsson and Kindl to play together and get used to each other. When Lidstrom retires, it is safe to say that there will be some major changes in the organization and either Rafalski or Stuart will be shipped out. Kronwall and the remaining guy will be our top line and Ericsson and Kindl will be our second pairing.

At this point, we are in a delicate stage where we need to push our young talent (Ericsson, Kindl, Howard, Helm, Abdelkader, Ritola, sadly not Leino. :( ) while still managing to compete for the Cup. We definitely have the talent and depth to do it, but we need to give the youngsters their shot to play now with the veterans before they retire. Their respective mentors (Osgood/Howard, Draper and Holmstrom/Helm, Rafalski/Ericsson, Lidstrom, Kindl) are ready to call it quits (well, three of them are for sure) and there really is no one better to mentor them since each is, for the most part, replacing their mentor’s role with the team.

Long story short: Third defensive pairing must be Ericsson and Kindl to prepare us for a future without Lidstrom.

by Apocalyptic0n3 on Aug 27, 2010 7:37 PM CDT reply actions  

I see what you mean

But he (Kindl) doesn’t need to play next to Lidstrom to be mentored by him. Just being in the same locker room this year, and being able to watch how he prepares and plays will be a huge learning experience for Kindl. Let’s not overwhelm him by putting him on the first pairing.

And how do you know Rafi or Stu will get shipped? With the cap Lidstrom will leave open, we can keep our defense intact while still signing one or two solid FA’s (possibly a defender).

I think pairing Ericsson, who still makes mistakes, with a rookie in Kindl, who will be prone to mistakes, is a bad idea for most nights. I’m sure they’ll play together a bit. But it shouldn’t be full time. Especially with a solid 3rd pairing guy like Salei. Who can also mentor them.

by plopperrawr on Aug 29, 2010 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hrm?
When Lidstrom retires, it is safe to say that there will be some major changes in the organization and either Rafalski or Stuart will be shipped out.

Why is that again? This is the first I’ve heard that the Red Wings plan to let go of/ship out either Rafalski or Stuart when Lidstrom retires.

Furthermore, I think your assertion that Kindl is the closest thing that the Wings have to a “franchise defenseman” is off base. I believe that Kronwall is probably the most talented youngish defenseman they have (discounting Rafalski), and Stuart is no slouch either. If Ericcson can regain his confidence, he has the tools to be a top-line defenseman as well.

Kindl is a great big ole’ question mark at this point. Anyone looking for him to be a #1 Defenseman is just dreaming.

by Big Z in Orlando on Aug 30, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

My comment about Stuart and Rafalski may have been a bit premature, but I do think one of them will be traded when Lidstrom retires to either make room for the youngsters or as a piece in a trade to get a first line defenseman (this is where my dream Wing of Shea Weber would, in my dreams, be traded away for Stuart and a pick or two).

As for me looking for Kindl to be the #1 guy isn’t too far off base. He’s one of the most highly regarded prospects in the league at this point and certainly has the potential to become an elite defenseman, which is one reason why he needs exposure to Lidstrom while he can get it.

by Apocalyptic0n3 on Aug 30, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

If i were Babcock, I’d do a 3 way rotation so that all 3 of them get to play together at some point, then you start to see what pairs work better, then shift to those. I think you have to give E and Kindl time together. What if they play as well as they did in GR together? I heard they made a very good pairing. Its great to have a steady Veteran D in case we need him, but i say we test the rookies first. It would save money in bonuses on next year’s cap if we relied on the rookies first as well.

by Crater from SoCal on Aug 30, 2010 5:25 PM CDT reply actions  

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