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NHL Western Conference Preview: SB Nation's Best in the West

Last week, the powers that be got us Western Conference bloggers together and gently coerced each of us into ranking all 15 teams in the conference from 1st to last. Here's the full list with average position by voting.

Team Overall Rank Average Rank
Vancouver Canucks 1 1.43
San Jose Sharks 2 2
Detroit Red Wings 3 3.29
Chicago Blackhawks 4 4.36
Los Angeles Kings 5 4.57
Nashville Predators 6 6.86
St. Louis Blues 7 7.29
Columbus Blue Jackets 8 8.29
Anaheim Ducks 9 8.64
Minnesota Wild 10 10.29
Phoenix Coyotes 11 11.64
Dallas Stars 12 12
Calgary Flames 13 12.71
Colorado Avalanche 14 13.14
Edmonton Oilers 15 13.5


As one of the five best teams in the conference, we'll be looking at the competition for the top: what kind of strengths and weaknesses Detroit has against their competition, and what we can expect this year out of the West.

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The reigning Western Conference and President's Trophy Champions return for the 2011-12 season with a roster every bit as dangerous as they iced last year. Veteran blueliner Christian Ehrhoff flew to greener paychecks in Buffalo, but the Canucks have one of the deepest defensive corps in the league and their forwards ain't too shabby neither.

Strengths Against Detroit: For all of the jokes at Roberto Luongo's expense and all the excuses about what may be relative value, Roberto Luongo is a better goaltender than Jimmy Howard. He more consistently makes big saves and lets in fewer bad goals. The Canucks also have a more-proven forward corps overall.

Weaknesses Against Detroit: While Vancouver has three very solid defensive pairings, they lack a true shutdown pair that can keep Detroit's top two lines off the board consistently. Also, Alain Vigneault may have a Jack Adams, but I wouldn't trust him to hold Mike Babcock's clipboard.

Place Within the Top Five: On paper, Vancouver can match up well with any top team in the conference. Despite last season's Western Conference Finals result though, I believe the Sharks could handle them in a rematch.

Place Within the Conference: Look back at the overall ratings in the conference and find the 2nd-place team in the Northwest Division by our rankings. That would be Minnesota in 10th. The Canucks are going to win the top seed going into the playoffs thanks to their cupcake division.

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San Jose has knocked off the Wings for two years running now, as the team that was built specifically to beat the Wings has lived up to that goal without being able to take the next step into the Stanley Cup Finals. Gone are Dany Heatley and Devin Setoguchi; arrived are Martin Havlat and Brent Burns. With an aging core still intact and a solid group of youngsters coming up, this may be the most dangerous team in the West.

Strengths Against Detroit: San Jose has the size at forward, the skill, and the aggression to wear down the Red Wings and force mistakes which can end games. To go along with the size, they are also a speedy team across all four forward lines and have youngsters which need to continue to live up to expectations rather than a return to that level.

Weaknesses Against Detroit: Brent Burns made the Sharks' defense a bit more mobile and dangerous in the offensive zone, but I'm convinced their biggest weakness is going to be the ability to keep goals out of their net when teams figure out how to get an effective breakout against them. The patience of Detroit's blueliners as well as their ability to start transition will be key for Detroit's success against San Jose this season.

Place Within the Top Five: San Jose is every bit as tough as Vancouver. They have the depth at forward and the pieces on defense to beat any team in the league. Woe be to the team that has to face them in the upcoming postseason.

Place Within the Conference: Unfortunately, San Jose also plays in what could be the toughest division in hockey this season. The tough competition is going to cost them points and they'll end up the 2nd seed going into the playoffs.

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Whatever you do say about Chicago, don't say "Cup hangover". What happened to Chicago last season was they were a team that had lost a big piece of their identity and it took them nearly half a season to find it. They showed how dangerous they were in the playoffs by taking the Canucks to the brink of elimination. They brought back their entire core and surrounded those guys with the gritty type of assholes nobody likes to play against.

Strengths Against Detroit: The Hawks were one of about 100 teams last season that got better goaltending than the Wings did. Until Howard proves he can play as well as he did in his rookie season, that's going to remain a weak point for the Wings. Chicago has a definite stable of top-six forwards and one of the best defensive tandems in the league.

Weaknesses Against Detroit: For all of the strength at the top of the lineup, the Hawks are still vulnerable in their bottom lines and pairing. Coach Quenneville leans extremely on his stars and likes to change lines as often as Marian Hossa changes phone numbers so he doesn't have to take calls anymore from Tomas Kopecky.

Place Within the Top Five: Chicago is a dangerous team that can make any series into a war of attrition, but all things being equal, they're the 4th-best team in the conference.

Place Within the Conference: Chicago will have to fight to stay above the rest of the hard-fighting Central Division and that will cost them points they might otherwise be able to use to leapfrog a superior team in the standings.

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The Kings entered last year's playoffs in a tough spot as they lost their team's best offensive threat in Anze Kopitar before the postseason even started. Losing such a big piece will always make it tough on a team, but the Kings added some depth which will take some of the load off Kopitar's shoulders. Having last year's Flyer's Captain and former Selke finalist Mike Richards centering the 2nd line brings this team up from an also-ran to a contender.

Strengths Against Detroit: The Kings are a much more physical team than Detroit in all areas of the ice. Their size and aggression will make it difficult for the Wings to create openings to exploit. When the Wings do find those holes, they're still going to have to shoot on Jonathan Quick, who very well could turn out to be a dark horse Vezina candidate this season.

Weaknesses Against Detroit: Even with two dangerous lines, the Kings do not have the forward depth to consistently keep momentum on their side. To score goals, they're going to need to activate their defensemen and are going to have to have Quick ready to come up huge against odd-man rushes.

Place Within the Top Five: The Kings are definitely the most-improved team among the top-five, but they still have holes in their roster that's going to make it difficult to completely run the Western Gauntlet and make a run for the cup.

Place Within the Conference: As you can see in the drop-off between consensus #5 voting and the sixth-place Predators, the Kings belong exactly where they are. The tough Pacific Division is going to challenge them, but it's nothing they can't handle to lock down a decent playoff seeding.

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So how will Detroit do as the consensus third-best team in the Western Conference? Ultimately, they have some questions about the ability of their mid-six forwards to compete as top-six guys and whether their third defensive pair can develop into the solid D-men that Mike Babcock thinks they can be. Jimmy Howard also needs to show that he can perform like he did in his rookie season and that last year was an aberration of team style and personal distraction.

Like any other team in the conference, the Wings will need a lot of things to go right for them in order for them to still be playing in June. However, what separates them from the Hawks, Kings, and ten other teams in the conference is that they would also have to have a lot go wrong for them to take them out of contention for the league's best team.

I think they're going to be limited by the improvements of the Central Division this year, which I think will wrestle the title of the West's toughest division away from the Pacific, but the Wings will anchor themselves solidly as one of the teams to beat.

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Jimmy...

needs to play all season like he did the last 4 play off games with Sharks when he played like an play off Ozzie. IMHO that mental toughness is the key.

by wingsluver4ever on Oct 5, 2011 9:01 AM CDT reply actions  

Underrated?

I’m okay with being number 3 as hopefully we won’t be headhunted. I have to say though with the improvements this year (Yes they were improvements) and health I think our team is easily a presidents trophy contender.

by Splints on Oct 5, 2011 9:02 AM CDT reply actions  

Two points:

1. Van’s defensive shutdown pair is Hamhuis and Bieksa. Combined +61.
2. Van won President’s Trophy due to cupcake div and not having a losing record against any of the other WC playoff teams. Detroit had a losing record against Nash, Chi, SJ and LA

You think last year's riot was bad, wait and see what happens if my kid doesn't get fed on time.

by westy99 on Oct 5, 2011 9:19 AM CDT reply actions  

+1

for beating up toddlers. stay class san deigooo wait…

by Red Wing Nut on Oct 5, 2011 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Those were two well thought out responses

and wrong.

I know what I saw for 82 regular season games last year. Bieksa went from free-wheeling 40 point, negative plus/minus player to a stay at home guy who enjoyed playing defense. Hamhuis did the same.

According to your second observation, the Wings are the toddler against Nash, Chi, LA and SJ. I’m sure you just mispoke. :P

You think last year's riot was bad, wait and see what happens if my kid doesn't get fed on time.

by westy99 on Oct 5, 2011 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

+/-

Also, playing on a team/line that leads the league in Goals For will inflate your +/- stats to insane proportions. And we all know that +/- is the stupidest stat in the NHL.

by Red Wing Nut on Oct 5, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

You didnt get the toddler thing.

The “toddlers” are the awful teams in your division. If the Wings were toddlers compared to their division, which they aren’t considering they won the division despite poor divisional play, then you might have a point.

I hate Jonathon Ericsson.

by Brion on Oct 5, 2011 10:02 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

What I saw for every game that I watched of Vancouver (which was fewer than 82 games, to be truthful) was that Bieksa and Hamhuis were helped greatly by having a fantastic group of forwards playing in front of them. I don’t know if I can call them a shut-down pair when the forwards are doing more than half the shutting down.

Brion covered how you completely misread the toddler analogy. It’s not possible to make it any clearer, as I fear that if I try again to say that it’s easier for the Canucks to beat up cupcakes before taking on contenders than it is for a team who constantly has to battle contenders, you’ll find some other way to spectacularly miss the point.

The Red Wings are your daddy, the Northwest is a bunch of toddlers, the Central are the Red WIngs’ little brothers. This analogy just keeps getting better & better.

by J.J. from Kansas on Oct 5, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I understood the toddler analogy

I just think it undermines the success that the Canucks had against the rest of the conference. If it wasn’t for that success against those playoff teams the Nucks would have not won the PT, which was the original argument.

You think last year's riot was bad, wait and see what happens if my kid doesn't get fed on time.

by westy99 on Oct 5, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

By the way

I am waiting for the name calling….SCH has left me with Stockholm syndrome

You think last year's riot was bad, wait and see what happens if my kid doesn't get fed on time.

by westy99 on Oct 5, 2011 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

They are a bit more angry than us.

We’re classy. Have a glass of brandy and let us scoff at the common man.

I hate Jonathon Ericsson.

by Brion on Oct 5, 2011 10:39 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

If you want me to call you names, I can

Personally, I’m not worried about undermining the team’s success against the rest of the conference. I think it’s a valid argument that playing in an easy division makes it easier to play against teams in tough divisions. There’s simply more wear-and-tear on teams that play more of their games against contenders.

I think that if you switched Vancouver and San Jose completely, keeping all travel the same last year, the Sharks would have won the President’s trophy.

by J.J. from Kansas on Oct 5, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

You need to work on that.

You think last year's riot was bad, wait and see what happens if my kid doesn't get fed on time.

by westy99 on Oct 5, 2011 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

That’s as mean as we get around here. Unless you’re a Blues fan, in which case you should cover the eyes and ears of any small children.

by Amerinadian on Oct 5, 2011 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Blues have fans?

Dancing Datsyuk Decidedly Dazzles Dainty Defensemen

by Robocop on Oct 5, 2011 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sort of

But do CHUDs count as people?

I hate Jonathon Ericsson.

by Brion on Oct 5, 2011 11:39 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I just pee’d alittle!!

by Birddog17 on Oct 5, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

hah

lolz. blues….fans…i get jokes.

by Red Wing Nut on Oct 5, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

That!

is awesome. I am going to have this image burned in my brain when I go over to St.Louis in @ a month to watch the Wings/Blues game…..

by Kendal on Oct 5, 2011 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

And if Vancouver doesn’t go virtually undefeated against the teams in their division, then that would tarnish what might be a reasonably good season. By virtually undefeated I mean at least 5-1 against every team in the NW Division.

by zfan16 on Oct 5, 2011 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Of the 4 teams that the Wings had a losing record against last year (NSH, CHI, LA, SJ), the Canucks were a combined +1 in goal differential against those same teams in 16 games.

That’s a very fine line between winning and losing, and I give the Canucks full credit for getting the points they did, but that could just as easily change this season.

by Amerinadian on Oct 5, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pacific

So this year is the Pacific like the hardened grandpa that fought in WWII that still can kick people’s asses in drunken bar fights like clint eastwood.

by Red Wing Nut on Oct 5, 2011 10:10 AM CDT reply actions  

Only if the Ducks are that hardened grandpa’s tendency to start these fights by sneaking up on people and breaking beer mugs over their heads for no reason.

by J.J. from Kansas on Oct 5, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Most Def

I heard that’s Ryan Getlaf’s forte. and right behind him is Corey Perry….except Perry will try to run out the fire exit when someone comes after him.

by Red Wing Nut on Oct 5, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

or just yell “Douche”!! It would probably have the same effect.

by Kendal on Oct 5, 2011 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Surpised you're not verbally fellating the Blackhawks

like everyone else is. Fox Sports claimed their defense corps was deeper than detroits. I guess I am not as big of a hockey fan as I thought I was because I have no idea who Lepisto is and apparently he is on their secondary pairing. Also, Montador and O’Donnell are not Stuart and Kronwall. Whatever. I’m all gassed up now for no reason. I hope Howard has one of those out of no where seasons and he posts 15 shutouts.

DETROIT RED WINGS – "war were declared"
Twitter - @TheIngles22

by Eric @ PRBU on Oct 5, 2011 10:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Chicago and Pittsburgh are America’s teams. Get used to it.

by Apocalyptic0n3 on Oct 5, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lepisssssto

He was an up and coming prospect for Phoenix. Got dealt to Chitown.

by Red Wing Nut on Oct 5, 2011 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

How does "impressed" instead of 'surprised' sound?

I don’t doubt they will be good. I just feel some pundits are grasping at straws to try to describe that team. I mean, seriously, Leddy being described as top notch talent…

DETROIT RED WINGS – "war were declared"
Twitter - @TheIngles22

by Eric @ PRBU on Oct 5, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

hahaha, impressed works.

by J.J. from Kansas on Oct 5, 2011 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm a little disappointed...

…that your Hawks comments didn’t include any reference to the Red Wings being bigger and better skaters than 8 year olds.

Dancing Datsyuk Decidedly Dazzles Dainty Defensemen

by Robocop on Oct 5, 2011 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I had not seen this before

That is frikkin hilarious.

You're wrong Mick. That blob may have peanuts, but it ain't no Baby Ruth.

by Dannik99 on Oct 5, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

The thing I don't like about the Hawks..

Is the same thing as last year. If someone from the top line misses significant time, they’re going to have a hard time with depth scoring. Yes, it would suck if one of our top guys went down, but we at least have some suitable stop gaps behind them.

I hate Jonathon Ericsson.

by Brion on Oct 5, 2011 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Unless.....

Sharp goes nutballs again…..

by Red Wing Nut on Oct 5, 2011 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sharp nutballs….hahahaha

by Kendal on Oct 5, 2011 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Penicillin will clear that right up.

Dancing Datsyuk Decidedly Dazzles Dainty Defensemen

by Robocop on Oct 5, 2011 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

And....

So could the Shanahammer….

by Red Wing Nut on Oct 5, 2011 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's the thing I see w.r.t Jimmy

He came up and got mentored by Ozzie. It’s only natural that a lot of Ozzie’s game is going to rub off on Jimmy. Unfortunately, what that boils down to is Jimmy will continue to put up average to slightly-above-average numbers in the regular season (helped by simply playing in Detroit), and then turn it on in the postseason.

We’ve got Ozzie 2.0 (or Fuhr 3.0 if you like). For better or worse, that’s just the way it’s gonna be.

Think about how stupid the average person is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! --George Carlin

by J_Stone on Oct 5, 2011 2:06 PM CDT reply actions  

I hope you're right

since that would mean 2-3 Stanley Cups in Jimmy’s future.

by zfan16 on Oct 5, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Every year

The Wings keep their core players with the team, sign a few others, keep their own free agents and don’t make drastic changes. Then the media goes all batshit over the two or three teams that made significant changes and then espouse all over everywhere about how good X or Y teams are gonna be this year.

Then of course, reality sets in – it takes the 43 new guys 6-8 weeks to really learn their new team’s system, injuries start to pile up, and low and behold – the Red Wings are “all of a sudden” 14 points up on their ass by Thanks-fucking-giving.

I think it’s the Kings who are the ones to fear in the West, and maybe Nashville in the Central – they’re the ones who didn’t make drastic changes, a couple players here and there. The Hawks replaced their entire bottom half of the roster almost, the Sharks will have trouble scoring for a while as Havlat gets to try to be Seto-heatley, and Burns tries to not be Boyle, the Canucks are replacing a few key guys too – Erhoff didn’t suck, but they’re in an easy-ass division – shit, Columbus is probably a playoff team in that group (ok, that may be stretching things).

I just love being a fan of the best run organization in professional sports and the ultimate of awesomeness.

It happens every year. And Every year, Ken Holland does the same thing – but this year, he’s got cap room to use at the trading deadline to fill in where he might need to, the rest of the Western Conference had better be in fear of that man, if they’re not – they’re just confused.

by Kendal on Oct 5, 2011 5:29 PM CDT reply actions  

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