Come Together: Sharks 5 - Red Wings 2
I could probably recap the game by describing what happened, but it's 12:30 Central time and we all watched the game. At this point, how the Wings are losing isn't as upsetting as the fact that they are simply losing.
It was easy the other night to figure out what happened: the Wings played like shit against the Blues, and the Blues out-worked and out-played the Wings in every aspect of the game. Tonight was another story.
This was such a weird game. The final score actually flattered the Sharks to some extent, who played well, but were not head and shoulders better than the Wings tonight. The Wings dominated the first 30 minutes in terms of puck possession and shots, but found themselves down 3-1 simply because they lost focus and made mistakes. Throw in a soft goal by Jimmy Howard late in the second and another one by Ty Conklin in the third and the game's over.
Full credit is owed to the Sharks, who are a good team and played well enough to win. I imagine there aren't a lot of Shark fans who are thinking that was their best game of the season, but they got the 2 points in a game that was entertaining at the start but devolved into something that you can only shake your head at if you're a Wings fan, like when you think about how Dane Cook is successful.
This game was an eye-opener for me, and may be for a lot of people as well. Follow the jump for the bullets.
- I hope Detroit is charging the Sharks rent for the space they are renting out in the Wings' heads, because they've painted the walls, hung some curtains and put up all their "Heroes of Silicon Valley" posters and made themselves right at home. Rivalries are supposed to be back-and-forth, but it's getting a little tiring being on the losing end of these games. It was said in the game thread, but the Sharks are a damn good team, and the Wings as currently constituted are just not on their level. At least not without perfect execution on Detroit's part, which did not happen tonight.
- The night wasn't all bad: a huge congratulations to Brendan Smith on his first NHL game, and the kid did not look completely out-of-place. 17 minutes of ice time, mostly playing with Niklas Kronwall, and he got 2 minutes of PP time. There were a few mistakes, and he got rocked a couple of times, but after looking very bad in the pre-season, he restored my faith that he can be an NHLer (at least for one night).
- When I go to the grocery store tomorrow to pick up milk for my kids, I'm seriously expecting to find Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg staring back at me from the cartons. I'm half-tempted to go to my local police station and file a missing person's report for their ability to shoot the puck. I know that Pavel is great at stickhandling like he's in a phone booth; it doesn't do much good when there are another 3 booths blocking the door. It's the same thing with Zetterberg: stop gaining the zone and then turning away to the side boards. Take the puck, use your skill, and shoot the goddamned thing toward that asshole with the mask on.
- If that first period wasn't a microcosm of the Wings' season to date, I don't know what does. They dominated that period, looking like the Wings of the first 5 games of the season and then their subsequent winning streak, but holy mother of all things holy was that a clusterfuck of epic proportions on the shorthanded goal. It wasn't losing the faceoff; it wasn't letting Thornton get to the puck; hell, it wasn't even that Pavelski had enough time to build a fire from camping out in front. It was that the puck went in. Even bad teams need to get some puck luck from time to time, but it just seems like every mistake the Wings make ends up in the back of their net. Suddenly, instead of heading into the first intermission up by a goal and looking forward to a power play on fresh ice, they have to shake off being scored on shorthanded with less than 15 seconds to go in the period.
- I felt really bad for Jimmy Howard tonight. He's been so damn good this season that he's pretty much going to have to start stealing games if the offense continues to be this stagnant, but he had a rough one tonight and people are going to jump back on the "hurr durr the Wings goalies suck" bandwagon. I'm sorry, but Jimmy Howard is the only reason that the Wings even had a chance to win some of the games they have lost so far this year, and while the last 2 goals he allowed were not good ones, where were Datsyuk and Kronwall on the first goal, and what the hell happened on the second one? When you outplay your opponent for the first 20+ minutes and find yourselves down 2-1, that's deflating, regardless of the mental makeup of the team.
- And that's the frustrating part: it's the team's top players that are the most disappointing. If it were the depth players that weren't scoring, then you call up some Black Aces and see what they can do. If the starting goalie is giving up 5 goals a night, sit him down and try the backup. If the defense is struggling, mix up the pairings and look for a spark. But when it's your top 2 players that are bringing your offense down, what are you supposed to do? There's so much talk about trading for someone, but go ahead and find me a team that's willing to part with a top-6 forward at this time of year. As J.J. said in the game thread, this is the team we have to watch for the foreseeable future. Big changes to the roster aren't coming until at least Christmas, if not the trade deadline, so stop saying that the Wings are going to get Rick Nash or Alex Semin in the next few days, because those guys aren't going anywhere.
- This team is broken. There's something off, and while it's been easy to pinpoint the problems with the offense, tonight in the first period they looked like the Wings of old, maintaining puck possession and keeping the Sharks on their heels and pinned in their own zone for 19:45 of the period. But then the goal at the end of the first period happened and it was like finding a unicorn, only to have it kick you in the balls and then stampede your family. There's absolutely no question the physical talent and skill is in that dressing room, but it's a damn shame that when that goal went in, a large majority of the fanbase had that "oh shit" feeling you get when you realize that you have to chew the glass of milk you just drank (I really need to get milk tomorrow). The biggest concern that I have is that there's not single thing that can be tweaked to get this team back to the position of Cup contender. The offense is about as consistent as diarrhea, the defense misses Ian White more than it ever missed Brian Rafalski, and Jimmy Howard's back is just not strong enough to carry this team. We've talked on this site and around the blogosphere about how great a coach Mike Babcock is; now is the time to prove it. Because the problem with this team isn't in the players' legs or hands; it's in that small space between the ears, and all the bag skates and target practice in the world isn't going to fix whatever's going on upstairs in some of the players.
- Therein lies the difficult part for us fans; we've been spoiled for a hell of a long time now, seeing the Wings be contenders year in and year out. When the "elite" teams are talked about, the Wings are always included in the discussion. That's not the case right now, and while outsiders are loving it (as anyone reasonable person would expect), it's got Wing fans sniping at each other. We're not used to dealing with this kind of adversity, and the vultures are circling. It could get very ugly around here if the team doesn't start winning, so prepare yourselves.
Like the Capitals game earlier this season, there were some good things that happened in this game. The new line combinations were a nice spark, and I really liked Justin Abdelkader with Pavel Datsyuk and Johan Franzen. Abby had 5 shots on net and was absolutely robbed in the first when his point-blank shot hit Niemi in the pads. There's little time to dwell on this loss, as the Wings are taking their gin and juice down to LA for an afternoon tilt with the Kings on Saturday night. Let's just hope that instead of being laid back with their mind on their money, they're thinking about how to win a stupid hockey game.
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My presence at the game is what caused the loss.
I apologize.
"My chances? Always good chances." -- Pavel Datsyuk
Not your fault.
Might be mine. I bought a Datsyuk jersey in the off-season, due mostly to his lights-out playoffs last year. We can see how that’s going…
I bleed Red. No, really.
same here. Have a Datsyuk T-shirt.
Clearly unlucky. sigh
"My chances? Always good chances." -- Pavel Datsyuk
Same here,
Datsyuk winter classic jersey.
Sounds like we should all sacrifice our Datsyuk gear to the hockey gods.
Consequences Schmonsequences.
Distraught.
Crushing loss. This team really isn’t right. No way they win the Cup this season if they stay the way they are right now. It’s killing me.
On the bright side, obvious bias aside, I thought Smith played reasonably well for a rookie in his first NHL game. Sure he made some mistakes and that’s expected, but overall, I was pleased.
Brendan Smith fan
Agree on all points.
I think we can (and will) turn this around. I simply cannot bring myself to believe that the Wings will EVER miss the playoffs, and I think any talk of that ilk is unacceptable and defeatist. We will not let our Captain, who has led us to a Stanley Cup, miss the playoffs during his career. Period. Pav and Z will start producing, Jimmy will continue to be outstanding and the defensive mistakes will ease, especially when White gets back.
But…and I’ve said this since it happened…
I really think that the 2009 Finals loss did something to this team mentally. We just don’t seem as “clutch” as we used to be. Down one goal, minute left? No problem, we’ll tie it and win that sucker in OT. One of our guys gets run? We’ll make you pay on the ensuing power play. But that hasn’t really been the case for a couple years. Ever since that puck rang off a post at the Joe two Junes ago…
I don’t know. Maybe I’m searching for answers where there are none. Perhaps I’m selectively remembering the bad details, or assigning too much meaning to one event. I probably care about this (relatively) insignificant hockey team more than I should.
We will rebound. And once we do, I need the Red Wings to prove that we can still be clutch. I need a timely goal from a scorer. I need a dominant performance from an All-Star goaltender. And I need a grinder to put one home to seal the deal. Give me that, Wings, and my faith will be restored.
Until then, as always,
GO WINGS.
I bleed Red. No, really.
Yeah, this wasn't our best game. But we did play sound defense and Niemi was actually good for once (I'm not a Niemi fan if you can't tell.)
Then we capitalized on Detroit’s mistakes, we are very good transition team which was on full display tonight. I am not going to lie, after my first decade of watching hockey (97-07) I feared the Red Wings, that 07 debacle still resonates in my mind, so I do take great pleasure in the Sharks owning you guys. But on the other hand I do feel some sympathy for the people on this blog because you are generally nice.
No sympathy for anyone on A2Y, they come across as assholes.
Hopefully, you guys turn it around, its not the Playoffs without the Wings.
I'm warning you! I have ADHD and I know how to use it!!!
Good job Giants, now win 3 more world series titles and then you just might be worthy of being mentioned in the same league as the A's.
THAT IS NABOKOV IN NET NOT NITTYMAKISHUTUP!!!!!!!!!!
San Jose: Being Kept save from ferocious enemies by the Sharks and Earthquakes since 91 and 96.
The D coverage on the first SH goal just boggled my mind.
What the $&@# else is Thornton gonna do with the puck behind the net? Turn your ass around and cover the one open guy in front.
by loojay on Nov 18, 2011 6:56 AM CST via mobile reply actions
ugly around here? naw
But i ask you in 9 years have z and dats ever failed you?
They will turn it around.
by Splints on Nov 18, 2011 7:14 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
This sentence kills me
The new line combinations were a nice spark, and I really liked Justin Abdelkader with Pavel Datsyuk and Johan Franzen.
Ugh. Really? We don’t have anyone better than a grinder to jumpstart our scoring? This team prides itself on its depth, and yet, they are thinner than paint thinner when it comes to guys who will fucking shoot the lights out.
I know it was addressed in the article, and I also know that there is nothing we can do about it for the foreseeable future, but how in the hell did Ken Holland look at the roster and say, “Yup, we have a Top 6 on par with Chicago, Washington, San Jose and Boston.”
Also, fun fact of the night: Zetterberg and Datsyuk are on pace for 33 and 52 points respectively. Last year, that would’ve tied Datsyuk with the likes of feared snipers such as Drew Stafford, Erik Cole, and would have put him one point behind the offensive dynamo P. A. Parenteau, and would have placed him tied for 81st in league scoring.
As for Zetterberg, if he continues the current pace he’s on and actually does manage to suck this much, Roman Hamrlik will have had more points than him last year, and he would be good for 220th overall in league scoring.
Not to mention that we would be paying nearly $2 million per point from him.
Sigh. These problems that you can’t fix just piss me off, it’s like staring into an eternal abyss.
by eight_legged_freaks on Nov 18, 2011 7:14 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
I agree with you and disagree with you at the same time.
I don’t like Abby being anywhere near the top two lines.
However, you wouldn’t be able to say anything else in your post if Dats and Z were producing… I would take our top 5 of Z, dats, filpulla, franzen, helm over any other 6 players from any one team. Just because they aren’t producing like they should you say they are inferior? I say wait and see…
While you're correct on my Datsyuk and Zetterberg assumptions
I really, really hope that Dats and Z turn this around. I would like to have faith that this will happen. However, I have seen nothing at all in these 17 games to make me think they are getting better at all. Zetterberg tentatively carris the puck into the zone before peeling off to the boards, gets rubbed out, and the play is dead. Almost every single time.
Datsyuk has the moves, but he is playing with two players that cannot handle his skill level. No one gets scoring chances because they’re always running around trying to figure out what he’s going to do.
But, can you honestly say that you would rather have the Top 5 that you listed over this one:
Toews, Kane, Hossa, Sharp, Bolland.
That’s a top-notch Top 5 right there. It’s got scary offensive gifted forwards, who also are no slouches when it comes to two-way play.
The scariest thing in all of this (that I don’t really even want to talk about) is that Chicago currently has MORE cap space than we do, with a roster that is better than ours.
This drives me crazy.
by eight_legged_freaks on Nov 18, 2011 7:39 AM CST up reply actions
I also don't understand how Holland
and “we” (I say we because we all bought into how this roster was much better than last years) thought that this roster was an improvement from last year and 2010. There is no way. I don’t understand why I would feel this way. Everyone is older and we traded Rafalski for White which, I agree, maybe makes the defense better, but the offense suffers slightly so thats a push. There was no improvement over the summer. I am an idiot for thinking Detroit would win the division and have better depth than a team like Chicago or Vancouver or San Jose. I don’t understand how we thought we would be better than San Jose by going at them with the exact same roster.
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Right after San Jose traded for Burns, I expected Holland to make a move...
And then right after they jettisoned Heatley, I expected a move.
And after Rafalski retired, I expected a move.
And nothing happened. I wouldn’t say anyone is “an idiot” for thinking Detroit would be a great team this year, but I do think we (as all fanbases do) tend to overvalue our current crop of players. I mean, this is almos the same team that won the Stanley Cup in 2008.
The only problem is, while we had that comforting notion in our head, all the other Western powerhouses overhauled their teams and are now that much better than they were three years ago.
Stagnation in any business is bad news. Professional sports are no different.
by eight_legged_freaks on Nov 18, 2011 8:37 AM CST up reply actions
my retort
Toews average pts/y 65 ( I would argue he could get more if he wanted)
Kanes average pts/y 75
Hossa average pts/y 70 (the last two years under 60 )
Bolland good for 41 if he ever plays a full year
Sharp – average pts/y 60
Datsyuk – we know hes good for 90 on a good year but lets give him 76 for arguments sake (I refuse to give him the same as Kane) also he is one of the best two way forwards (normally)
Zetterberg – good for a pt per game (normally) – 82 (also the two way forward thing)
Franzen – Do we even know? if he tried/healthy for 82 games i’m sure he could get 60 pts
Filppulla – Mad skills and is on fire this year good for 40 normally (but i’m positive hes going to bust that this year)
Helm – early to tell, plus he does so much more than points would justify
so 75, 70, 65, 60, 41 or 82, 76, 60, 40, Helm?
better? even? different styles? hard to say really but at least I can hold my head up high because my players don’t hijack a cabbie for a couple of bucks
Good analysis
I say Toews and Kane cancel out Zetterberg and Datsyuk, just because all four always put up high end points that it’s like when people nitpick over 0.1 WAR in baseball.
But I think it’s pretty clear that Hossa and Sharp are better than Franzen and Filppula. It’s easy to say, “Oh Franzen could score forty goals if he wanted.” But Hossa actually HAS scored forty goals, and averages high 20s, low 30s almost consistently. Franzen? Well, if he is on a scoring streak, he’ll get you some goals. But I have yet to see him consistently be as involved as Marian Hossa, at both ends of the ice.
And Sharp is clearly better than Filppula right now. That’s not to say that Filppula won’t be better than Sharp, but it’s impossible to predict. Who knows? Maybe Filppula starts playing like the Filppula of old again and cools off for three months straight and once again puts up 40 points.
We could go on ad nauseum, but it’s not just Chicago whose Top 6 are better. San Jose with Thornton, Marleau, Havlat, Pavelski and Clowe. All pretty damn great players.
I don’t want to be the Debbie Downer, and I want the Red Wings to compete for the Cup and all that, but I just can’t logically say we are as good as any of the best teams in the West anymore. Not when I look that the other rosters in the West and compare either their talent or their youth.
by eight_legged_freaks on Nov 18, 2011 8:33 AM CST up reply actions
WTF
Thornton has 5 goals this year and three of them are against the Wings.
The Sharks NEVER miss a chance to capitalize on a mistake by the Wings, especially Joe Thortnon
by Big Z in Orlando on Nov 18, 2011 10:12 AM CST reply actions
They're built to beat us
If they capitalized on other team’s mistakes with the same consistency as the capitalize on Detroit’s mistakes, they’d win every game by a wide margin.
by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 18, 2011 10:23 AM CST up reply actions

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