X Reasons This Is Getting Rediculous
by Robocop on Nov 2, 2011 8:01 AM CDT
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It's like the Lions and Wings have switched places. The Lions are finding new and interesting ways to win games this season, and the Wings are finding ways to lose them.
It's M-I-N-N-E-S-O-T-A for Christ's sake, we should have better than 4 goals in 3 games against them. The good news is that we only have one more game against them, and it's at home.
In the last 5 games we've (1) been blown out, (2) lost to a winless team, (3) lost to a nemesis, (4) been shut-out, (5) blown a last minute lead. Seriously, how much worse can it get?
Follow me after the jump as we take a look at what the hell is going wrong.
I - I honestly can't remember the last time we had a 5 game losing streak.
II - I'm still not sure what play the ref was watching in the first when he called Homer for goalie interference.
III - Jimmy played a solid game. I can't fault him on either of the goals. He deserves a better offense in front of him though.
IV - If Hudler was benched for a game to try and motivate him to score, maybe we should try benching Bertuzzi next to try and motivate him to not take really stupid penalties.
V - We need to stay out of the box. We had all the momentum in the world leading up to the goal. And after that, we never got any kind of rythm established thanks to some unlucky and some very stupid penalties.
VI - If Harding doesn't want to get run over, maybe he should stand behind his net with the puck on his stick while a guy is bearing down on him.
VII - I know at first glance it looked like Kronwall got elbowed, but that was a good non-call by the ref. Running your face into the back of the guy with the puck should never result in a penalty.
VIII - That said, Kronner needs to act like a hockey player. Get the eff up and get back in the play. Rolling around on the ground waiting for a call when we're already short a guy didn't do us any good. (See, told you they were gonna suck today).
IX - That was a nice sell job by Mickey for Nyquist in the first. I had to check a couple times, but at worst, he was tapped on the shins well after he was past the guy. Mickey made it sound like he'd been hauled down and dogpiled.
X - These things are much much easier to write after a win. So, if this sucked, blame on the Wings for not giving me something decent to work with.
Up Next: Calgary Flames (4-5-1), 7:30pm Thursday. Game 2 in what hopefully won't be a futile homestand.
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VIII – That said, Kronner needs to act like a hockey player. Get the eff up and get back in the play. Rolling around on the ground waiting for a call when we’re already short a guy didn’t do us any good.
Via Ansar Kahn:
DETROIT — The Detroit Red Wings did not provide an update on the condition of defenseman Niklas Kronwall following Tuesday’s 2-1 overtime loss to the Minnesota Wild at Joe Louis Arena, saying he’ll be further evaluated on Wednesday.
The Red Wings already were shorthanded on the play. A dazed Kronwall could not get back on his feet, let alone back into the play. He was helped off the ice.
by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 2, 2011 8:05 AM CDT reply actions
Kronwall was the victim of an illegal check the head on a play which was interference. There didn’t need to be an elbow; there were already two penalties being committed.
Can’t believe I’m reading from a Wings fan that Kronner was trying to sell it though.
by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 2, 2011 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Ok, that was a bit over the top.
But I didn’t see a check to the head. The guy had clear position in front of him, came to a stop, and braced himself for a hit. That Kronner still ran his face into his back, doens’t make it a check to the head.
And looking at the replay again, the goal does come rather quickly after that. I think even if he wasn’t clearing cobwebs, he’s not going to make much difference.
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That Koivu didn’t have the puck and was interfering while recklessly hitting the guy in the head makes it a check to the head.
by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 2, 2011 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions
From Rule 56:
Body Position: Body position shall be determined as the player skating in front of or beside his opponent, traveling in the same direction….A player is allowed the ice he is standing on (body position) and is not required to move in order to let an opponent proceed.
As I said, Koivu had body position between Kronwall and the puck. He braced himself for a hit and Kronner ran right into him.
I can see where it looks like he hits him, but if he doesn’t brace himself, he’s putting himself in a dangerous situation if Kronner decides to finish his check. Koivu did what he had to to protect himself, and how many times do we hear “He put himself in a vulnerable position” whenever one of these checks happen?
I hope Kronner is ok, and yes, my original assesment of his reaction was wrong (so I’ve redacted it). I still don’t see a penalty there to be called.
In front of the net however, they called less on Holmstrom in the first, so how that wasn’t a penalty now is beyond me.
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He's not bracing himself
If Kronwall isn’t there, Koivu moves backward by two feet. He took position and instead of playing the puck (which Shanahan has already said is a requirement) and then he flung himself into a player away from the puck.
by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 2, 2011 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
The Wings are on the PK. Kronwall is not going for a hit on the half boards in this situation. The route he takes is a pursuit route on Koivu. Koivu slams on the brakes before he gets to the puck with the purpose of knocking off Kronwall. Regardless of weather or not this is a head shot, it is still interference.
The key to me is the right shoulder
Koivu’s right shoulder (and elbow!) don’t make a “bracing for impact” movement. It’s thrown back into Kronwall, a definite hit. I don’t think it is an elbow or hit to the head, Koivu’s shoulder hit first and the elbow came up and swung through empty space after Kronwall was on his way to the ice.
I tried to see why it might not have been called. The goal line official (or linesman, I don’t really know/care) is staring at the net where some MIN player gets in a brief tangle with Jimmy. I’m assuming that what he’s supposed to be doing, which is key because I think he would have had the best view of the play.
The nearside blue line official could have had a difficult time seeing that it was an actual hit- Kronwall didn’t sell it or take a dive. I’ll admit, the first time I saw it, it seemed like there was still space between Kronwall and Koivu, and Nik might have been trying to sell it. Other angles show that Kronwall is clearly knocked off his feet. Possibly tough to judge, but still a call that should be made.
It’s a definite hit, should have been interference. But then again, the Wings should have remembered that this is Minnesota and we’re Detroit. This game should have been over before the puck dropped and definitely before overtime.
wheres the rule about interference..
that’s the one you really need to look up..
ask Bertuzzi, he’s done the same thing Koivu did to Kronny about 3-4 times, except Bert got called every time.
right after the play I was saying to my self “how many times has bertuzzi done the same thing and gotten a penalty called on him”
Most of the time when Bertuzzi takes a penalty like that, he is skating side by side with a guy and hits him before either of them get to the puck. What Koivu did looked more like what Datsyuk does when he’s protecting the puck and knows a guy is coming. Also, really don’t think he could’ve targeted Kronwall’s head there. He’s not even looking at him when he hits him.
It sucks that we lost, but if it was Datsyuk making that same play to win us the game, I know I’d be talking about what an awesome play it was.
difference is
Pav has the puck when he does it (like you typed, to protect the puck when he does it), in this instance puck was free game when Koivu did the “Pav Bump”, so it was more of a Bert situation than a Pav one, a.k.a; interference..
This is CLEARLY not what happened
I know at first glance it looked like Kronwall got elbowed, but that was a good non-call by the ref. Running your face into the back of the guy with the puck should never result in a penalty.
I don’t think anyone is reasonably arguing that there was an elbowing. Koivu may have swung his arm in an attempt to make contact with his elbow, but he seemed to miss.
The fact that the contact was made by Koivu’s back/shoulder instead of his elbow does not invalidate the fact that he most certainly was not simply bracing for a hit, and in fact, delivered a hit to a player without the puck. Just because this type of hit is uncommon does not make it any less legal.
by Big Z in Orlando on Nov 2, 2011 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Homer
Hey guys, long time reader first time commenter.
One thought struck me last night as Homer got the second ridiculous call against him:
If I were him, at this point, I would have just LOST IT. So many BS calls over the years, and then two especially soft ones in a game as (sort of) tight as that one, I would have gone crazy! I’m talking screaming, in who knows what language, beating the glass with a stick, throwing water bottles, insane. It’s almost that frustrating for me to watch on TV; I think he deserves some credit for keeping somewhat of a cool head through all of this BULLS***.
What a kick to the n*** game that was. Makes tomorrow night seem even further away, I want to get the taste of this one out of my mouth so bad….
by Carnival Matleuse on Nov 2, 2011 8:18 AM CDT reply actions
welcome
unfortunately, doing that might only make the refs pay attention to 96 more. and not in a good way
You wanna tell me that to mah face?!
YET ANOTHER Detroit Red Wings blog.
in who knows what language
Not even Homer knows what language.
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by Robocop on Nov 2, 2011 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Was thinking same thing...
as don’t know how Homer held it together. I was ready to lose it and throw something I shouldn’t at the tv. All I could think of is that I really wouldn’t have blamed him had he lost it after that call.
Regardless, everyone (except Jimmy) didn’t play well…and haven’t played well…so blaming refs is…well just blaming refs for their normal BS. Wings have to figure it out as a team because it’s just too easy to single out one or two.
by wingsluver4ever on Nov 2, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I thought the hit on Kronwall (barring any potential head contact, which I haven’t had a chance to see on replay) was a good play. It’s two guys going into the boards and initiating contact before the puck is actually touched by either of them. This happens, literally, at least twenty times a game.
I think it’s telling that last year, defense was our trouble, and this year, despite there being basically ZERO change in our offensive lineup, offense is now the trouble.
At this point, I’m personally feeling like this.
did you purposely misspell ridiculous
as in REDiculous RED wings ?
jeez – i don’t blame ya, man
the last MN shouldn’t have even mattered because we should have been up 4-0 or so.
ONE goal? cmon man.
It's the calls and non-calls for Interference that's driving everyone bats*** insane.
There is no consistency in refereeing game to game. What counts as interference in one game is let go the next sometimes within the game. Yes there’s going to be missed calls that goes without saying.
by Idle Drifter on Nov 2, 2011 11:07 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
NIK Is OK
Nik is OK and is skating and will play Thursday. I’m so relieved i don’t know what to do with myself.
XI. They made me have a bike accident cause I was SO pissed off at us losing
Come on guys! Better offense! do it!
"My chances? Always good chances." -- Pavel Datsyuk
Why is Nyquist being sent down again?
WHY OH WHY? I would have loved to seen him play in at least one more game to show us his stuff.
Bill Roose’s interview with Kronwall today is posted. Regardless of what any of us think about the hit, and what should or shouldn’t have resulted; Kronwall’s realction is nothing short of what I would expect from him. Classy, respectful and not making excuses or whining.
There was some question whether or not Koivu should have received an interference penalty for what essentially was a body check on a defensive player not in possession of the puck.
But Kronwall took responsibility for the play breaking down in the Wings’ end.
"It was a good play on his part," Kronwall said. "He caught me off guard. It ended up costing us the game, so obviously I have to be a little bit more aware out there."
I’m only hoping that “be a little bit more aware out there” doesn’t mean “assume carte blanche to paste a guy who isn’t playing the puck because I can assume that he’s near it and has possession.”
Because Kronwall will definitely get a penalty for that and it will definitely be deserved.
by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 2, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I don’t take that at all to be what he means. He’s smarter than that and the Wings as an organization don’t operate that way. I’m not worried at all.
Oh I know
Although there is a part of me that worries a lot of what’s been up Bertuzzi’s ass the last three games is that he’s seeing teams do shit to us that he’s getting called for.
Granted, grabbing a guy’s stick or slashing down on it or pulling a guy backwards on a race for a puck are still overall just stupid lazy penalties, thinks like the Scandella cross-check last night are frustrating when you see guys throwing post-whistle haymakers and getting nothing for them.
by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 2, 2011 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe bertuzzi just
needs to go out there and whoop someones ass then. That seems to be a good frustration reliever. Whats Shane OBrien doing these days?
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Whats Shane OBrien doing these days?
My guess? Videotaping himself strangling homeless people so he can get off to it later.
by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 2, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Still not a fan of the hit...
But I like his response. It’s never to late to try and get better at the game, especially with a seven year contract ahead of him.
Contrast this response with some of the comments on Hockey Wilderness recap thread wishing Kronwall had been concussed if you want a good laugh.
Those still thinking it's suspension worthy or an illegal hit
Please read Former NHL Senior Ref and Current TSN Analyst explanation on why it was a legal hit and no where near suspension worthy.
are we taking penalty lessons from a ref
that a) hasn’t reffed a game under these new rules and b) is one of the biggest tool box refs to ever a blow a (whistle). Fraser sucks. Although I hear LA fans love him.
Let us bitch about it as much as we want. You can go bitch about something with the other ten people at hockey wilderness.
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Ask Maple Leafs fans what they think of Kerry Fraser's opinions
Pierre McGuire was once a GM and is now an analyst, is what he says gospel as well? GTFO.
by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 2, 2011 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions
additionally
I don’t think I would be that upset over this if 1) the head wasn’t the principle point of contact and 2) precedent has already been set in past games by calling this a penalty.
The rule book and reality are once again two different things. But if its called on the ice once, it should probably be a penalty consistently.
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Time to end this
Thursday, it won’t be a good night for Calgary.
11-11-11 !!!
Go Wings !!!
Marcelo Garcia is from a planet called BJJ.
XI
The game would of never went to OT if Henrik Zetterberg just flips the puck out his own end instead of trying to carry it from the boards out of his own zone. Bad turnover.
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