Bobby Ryan for the Wings
by Izzy Weiss on Nov 30, 2011 2:20 PM CST
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Bobby Ryan is supposedly available, and there's not much I wouldn't give to get a player of this caliber. Big Body Power Forward. And a Right handed shot! The dude can play, and as much as I hate the ducks, I definitely hate him less that Getzlaf or (worse) Perry.
I've heard the calls for maybe Iginla, and it seems a lot of people are in agreement that Detroit needs another top 6 forward and a Right Handed one at that. A right handed forward would be money on the PP.
What would I give? A roster player, a 1st Rounder, and a either Tatar or Nyquist for sure. One thing I notice people on this board saying, is that they don't want to give up too much of the future, in tandem with trying to pry top players for Ericson, Hudler and a 4th rounder. You have to remember that there's a reason we don't like those two clowns...and it's because they're not great. And it's really hard to trade not great players, especially those that are slumping, for great players.
And as far as trading away our future...our future is NOW. Hank, Pav and Mule are all 30 and quickly exiting their prime. They've got 2 or 3 more years of true super-stardom (if that). Not to mention, this is likely our last year with the incomparable Nick Lidstrom. We need to win today, and to do that, you need to be willing to trade prospects.
Think about what the Kings did this past summer. They traded Braydon Schenn...one of the highest touted prospects in the NHL, and Wayne Simmonds, a fan favorite/likely 20 goal scorer and great role player, for Mike Richards. They gave talent and prospects to get talent. And while the fans in LA were up in arms about their top prospect, cultivated for years in the system, being traded away, the reality is, this was a SMART move. You see, Mike Richards is a top player, an all Star 2-way player, and the player that the Kings organization HOPED Braydon Schenn would become. And since they want to win now, they traded an upcoming potential superstar for a current one. They basically just sped things up a couple years.
So I say, if it nets you a guy like Bobby Ryan (young), it's ok to lose a player like Nyquist or Tatar. Those guys are unproven, and will likely be stars, but might fizzle out. Ryan is proven, and himself has some untapped potential. Ryan also has a contract through 2015...so we'd get some years, and not just a mercenary year like with Iginla.He's also about 10 years younger than Iginla.
I don't know...I just hope that Kenny jumps at a chance like this, as players of this caliber aren't made available very often...Nash is supposedly untouchable, and Parise would be just as nice, but I don't know if we can afford him.
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they are looking for a D man
im thinking brad stewart because he wants to be on the west so brendan smith can come up because he looks ready…. i do agree with the rest of the trade but i would hold on to tartar over nyquist and a first rounder
How about this
Brad Stuart + Cleary/Huds + some picks and a bag of pucks for Bobby Ryan?
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The only problem with this is i think rather than cleary/huds they will want a top prospect or young player (in addition to picks) as they are going to have to rebuild.
by jonathan.onne on Nov 30, 2011 6:41 AM CST up reply actions
I don't want to give up Tatar and Nyqvist as they are our top prospect
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I would not be upset if we traded away Stuart. Love the guy. His heart is huge and he gives it all, but we just gave 7 years to Kronwall and those two are not a Cup worthy top pairing. Smith will be a Wing next season. We cannot delay that any longer. Hell, he should be one now. I truly think Kindl has it in him to be a great defenseman. Ericsson is untradeable for various reasons. Kronners is our franchise d-man. That is 5 defensemen plus either Lidstrom or that one player who would be that Cup-worth pair for Kronwall (Weber, Suter, etc.).
If I had to put together a deal, I think it would be Stuart, Hudler, and either Nyquist or draft pick(s). Anaheim would get a good defenseman to throw in their second pairing (or even see if he plays better with Visnovsky than Beauchamin does), a reclamation project that they can let walk at the end of the season if they want, and a highly valued prospect (or some draft picks).
We call up Smith permanently, and run with Bert-Datsyuk-Franzen and Ryan-Zetterberg-Filppula/Holmstrom (depending on situation) as our top two lines and laugh as opposing coaches shit themselves trying to figure out defensive matchups.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Nov 29, 2011 9:14 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
While it kills me to say this...
I must say I agree with you
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by DetroitSports on Nov 30, 2011 2:28 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree with Stuart and Kronwall not being Cup worthy.
First of all they won a Cup as a pair and were very good. Second, unless they get another GOOD veteran defenseman, they would sacrifice a lot defensively. Smith and Commodore are not better replacements at this point. The Wings really shouldn’t do anything with their defenseman. They have a good mix right now, AND have insurance for injuries with Smith and Commodore. We can’t assume the Wings are going to get a Weber or Suter either.
He said
that they’re not a cup worthy top pair, which is debatable but I’m inclined to agree. It would depend on how good the rest of the team is defensively. We will have the cap space to add a stud D-man and a sniper up front. If Stu has to be the one to go to get another big time goal scorer, then so be it (love ya Stu). I have absolutely no problem with Smith coming up, but make it early if he does so he can be as ready for the playoffs as possible.
Yeah, like Blood Red said, they are a great pair. But I highly doubt we can win a Cup with those two being our top pairing. We haven’t won in three years with them as our second pairing, with TPH playing the best hockey in years with Rafalski being one of the best offensive d-men in the league. Kronwall has what it takes to be the top defenseman on the team. He’s talented, has one hell of a shot, and has learned that he doesn’t need to destroy players to earn his paycheck. Beyond that, he’s taken a true step forward and taken on a large leadership role with the team.
Stuart, however, has not. He’s a good defenseman and, like I said, he gives everything he possibly can when on the ice. He’s a second goalie out there half the time. But, from what I have seen, he isn’t anything special by himself. He’s a great complementary defenseman, not an anchor. If Kronwall goes down for 20 games, can Stuart handle the blue line during that time? I don’t honestly think so. And if Stuart can get us someone like Bobby Ryan… do it. Do it and don’t look back.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Nov 30, 2011 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not quite sure this needs to be brought up in multiple fanposts, but whatever
The latest from Anaheim Calling: http://www.anaheimcalling.com/2011/11/28/2595155/teemu-selanne-the-actual-ducks-gm#storyjump
Key two paragraphs
Bobby Ryan, Ryan Getzlaf and Corey Perry are the future faces of the franchise, in something I’ll call PTE or Post-Teemu Era. The Big 3 are well paid and popular, like Ovechkin and Semin, but they don’t have the same kind of pull as the Alexes. There was a time last year that the Ducks were struggling and I could tell that RPG was tuning out Carlyle on the bench, and Carlyle was taking to calling them out by name in the media. Had they been able to influence GM Bob Murray at all, Carlyle would not be our coach right now. Instead, Murray threatened to send one of them elsewhere – a threat he hasn’t made this season. The Ducks started winning and all was right again in the world.
Next up is a gigantic trade likely involving one of the members of RPG. I have to believe that there are more than just Columbus’ GM salivating at the idea of getting one of those guys. It’s more likely that none of them are being shopped or the deals just aren’t good enough, but I think it comes back to Teemu. I read somewhere that Teemu said that the players in the room are the ones that the team is going to get out of this hole with, and there is no missing piece that will make everything better. Do you think that trading one of the most skilled players in league is going to make things better or is Teemu right in implying the guys on the team now are the ones that will turn it around and it’s all mental right now? Teemu wants to be surrounded by people that will make the team better. Had he felt that getting rid of Ryan, Perry, or Getzlaf in exchange for someone else, it would have been done games ago. Also, Teemu said he’d “had an eye on” Nicklas Hagman for a while and BOOM he becomes a Duck. I don’t think that’s just a coincidence.
So I’m guessing that the current Ryan trade talk (in which NHL on the Fly even talked about it. Apparently he is being shipped around) is another attempt to light fire under the teams collective asses. Again, it’s one thing to trade a guy like Kovalchuk when’s he’s a 27 year old soon-to-be UFA (and repeatedly turns down contract extensions), it’s a whole nother to trade a 24 year old player whose barely more than a year into his new 5 year deal.
I’ll guarantee you the Ducks will fire (at least) Carlyle before they trade any of their big three
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finance
from what I understand, the Ducks are low on funds, and can’t afford to eat Carlyle’s 3 year contract extension he JUST received. That’s why theres so much talk about trading Ryan…he makes in the 5 mil range, so you know whoever they get will need to make less.
Columbus (if i remember correctly) has no cap space, so they would need to trade like-value…and i don’t see that happening.
Abdelkader, Kindl, a 2nd and a 4th.
That’s less than $2M in salary they’re receiving back.
by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2011 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
Are the reports saying the Ducks want a defensive prospect or veteran defenseman?
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Nov 30, 2011 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
What I'm reading
is that they want something like a 2c and a 2d.
We’d be giving them a 3c and a 3d+ and then making up for it with picks and with the idea that we’re giving them a guy who could still blossom into a 1d for a team that is still short on puck-moving defensemen (Visnovsky is good at it, and Fowler will be, but they still have a problem driving transition from their own blueline).
Also, they’d save themselves $3M, which would fit nicely with the idea that they need money.
by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2011 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
Not nearly enough
Abdelkader’s potential is limited, while Kindl is not likely to become an elite player. Maybe you can get away with this if you involve more and/or higher picks, but as it stands, this offer substantially undervalues a player that 28 other teams would like to bid on.
Maybe so
I might throw in Sheahan if needed, but I’m not horribly interested in giving up more than this for a Ducks team that needs to be spending less as part of what they get in return.
Abdelkader’s potential is limited, but he’s better than the shit grinders whose development they’re currently ruining.
If another team is going to pay substantially more value than this package for the services of Bobby Ryan, I’d let them. Detroit doesn’t need to make a move badly enough to where they’d have to give up the same kind of value a Columbus, New Jersey, or Colorado would have to give up.
by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2011 1:39 PM CST up reply actions
Then he's going elsewhere if he leaves
Nobody will trade a high potential young guy already playing at a high level for a grinder and a young defensemen who looks to be a second-pair defensemen when all is said and done and a couple draft picks. And besides, if they were looking for a grinder, they’d demand Helm.
And if they demand Helm
we say to them “good day, sir”
by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 1, 2011 7:12 AM CST up reply actions
That's probably irrational
I do not want to give up Helm under any circumstances, but if we have the chance to get Bobby Ryan for a fair price (seeing as Ryan is rather more valuable) when he has a reasonable contract, I cannot come up with an objective reason not to.
What else are you packaging with Helm in that deal? Do you replace Abdelkader with Helm and leave Kindl, a 2nd, and a 4th in that deal?
And is Bobby Ryan suddenly going to become our best penalty-killing forward?
I don’t pull the trigger on this deal and it’s not borne of irrational thought. Darren Helm has pieces which are of significantly higher value than Justin Abdelkader. Bobby Ryan would add a very good piece to the Wings’ top six, but would leave a substantially unfilled hole on the bottom six. To fill that hole, I feel Babcock would need to start using Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Filppula more in a PKing role (than they have been lately), and I don’t want them to do that. I feel that it would take time away from very good forwards to replace the 2:49 worth of short-handed ice time that Helm plays effectively per game and that the difference would be a net minus to the Red Wings.
If Helm is part of the deal, then the defenseman I’m willing to send the other way is Lashoff, not Kindl. As I’ve previously stated, the Wings don’t need to make this move badly enough to give what you apparently feel is market value for Ryan. If the Ducks won’t accept a deal which is in my acceptable range rather than what you feel is realistic, then my deal is that the Red Wings do not trade for Bobby Ryan.
by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 1, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Helm is a Wing through and through. Our team is built on dedication, both from the players and the team. Helm, as far as I am concerned, has already reached the level of dedication that Drapes had and it would be wrong to trade him, even if that is what it takes to get Bobby Ryan. We cannot neglect how big a part of our team character is.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Dec 1, 2011 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I’d die if Abby was sent to the Ducks. Do NOT like.
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by Josh Howard on Nov 30, 2011 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
His hits would go from borderline dirty to truly dirty in no time!
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Nov 30, 2011 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
I would throw a party
The less Spartans the better
This just got me thinking… the Ducks want good, young d-men in return. That could be our undoing… in more ways than one. Thinking about it, Nashville may be their ideal partner. They can unload either Suter or Weber for Ryan and we would miss out on both Ryan and one of those two as a potential Lidstrom replacement. Nashville could use the Ryan deal to convince the remaining defenseman to re-up, too.
Couldn't be Weber then
Not if it’s true that the Ducks are looking to unload more salary than they pick up.
by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2011 2:18 PM CST up reply actions
Wouldn't be Suter then
He’s going to want a raise at the end of the season and you don’t trade guys like Ryan for a rental.
Well, bad GMs do.
I hate Jonathon Ericsson.
3-way deal
Ryan to Nashville, Weber to third party, third party bevy of young players to Anaheim.
Just so every one understands this
Stuart is currently very, very expendable and unless Kenny gets some sense and gets rid of $hitbox, Stuart is likely the man out IF TPH returns next season.
If this is in fact TPH last season Stuart can still return however we don’t know if the FO is interested in getting either Suter or Shady Weber.
I’d expect the FO to be keeping a close eye on Smith, if they feel he is NHL ready, which he is, I’d expect them to be looking to either ship Stuart out for another defenseman(Weber, Suter) or a forward(Parise).
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To me, Smith and Nyquist are off the table
Anyone else in grand rapids is fair game, and stuart, and hudler and maybe a couple other guys in the lineup, and whatever draft picks.
We really don’t have a lot of roster spots opening up in the next couple years. I don’t mind shedding a few prospects.
Screw this
If I could take anyone from the Ducks, it would have to be Charlie Conway and Jessie Hall. And definitely not that cake-eater Adam Banks.
by Rob Rogacki on Nov 30, 2011 2:47 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
Aww, can't we just get Kenan?
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Wait! What about Gunner Stahl?
He’s from Iceland, right? Close enough to Sweden to fit in, right?
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by Apocalyptic0n3 on Nov 30, 2011 4:56 PM CST up reply actions
No Commodore?
If we’re going to be icing a team that is short one very large North American defensemen, then I’d like to acquire Fulton and Dean Portman to add some grit, intensity, and of course Fulton’s 200 MPH slapper at the blueline.
by datsyukiancircus on Nov 30, 2011 9:51 PM CST up reply actions
quack quack quack
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by tbone521 on Nov 30, 2011 4:57 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m only here to see how many people said Hudler and a third.
Also, regarding Stuart — his No-Trade Clause expired prior to this season. Jonathan Ericsson’s, however, is in full effect.
Dan Cleary has a NTC, too. His expires on January 28th, however. But he won’t be going anywhere now.
If we’re being realistic, I’d be more okay ditching some prospects. Outside of Nyquist, Tatar, and Smith, I’m not sure anyone is a shoo-in for a future roster spot. I love Riley Sheahan, he’s always been nice to us and I enjoy chatting with him, but he’s probably the next most likely future Red Wing.
Guys like Landon Ferraro, Joakim Andersson, and Brian Lashoff are long-shots to ever make this team, I fear. There was a lot of hope for Ferraro, and I bet he could play on a different NHL team, but he’s the current Shawn Matthias of the prospect ranks.
by Michael Petrella on Nov 30, 2011 2:50 PM CST reply actions
And...
With the emergence of Smith, Jakub Kindl is the most likely defenseman to be traded. I dig Kindl, and I think he’s a useful part, but he happens to be the MOST disposable.
I think a LIKELY package would include Kindl, Ferraro, a high draft pick, and some other random part like Cory Emmerton or Patrick Eaves.
by Michael Petrella on Nov 30, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
ericsson has a NTC?!
hhaha. I didn’t know that. that contract gets worse everyday.
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He has a modified NTC
Meaning he can either select teams he will go to… or teams that he will NOT go to… and he would either do that at the team’s request, or that he’s required to submit those lists by a certain date within the season.
Also, no one on Earth will take that contract off of our hands. He’s our Wade Redden for the next three years.
by Michael Petrella on Nov 30, 2011 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
I don't really want to rehash this but what the hell did Holland see in him
did he hope that a new contract would give Ericsson some confidence and he would play non-Ericsson like. Seems weird that Holland would give out this shitty contract.
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A few ways to look at this:
One: I completely fucking agree with you. I’ve NEVER liked Ericsson, even when everyone else saw something I didn’t in the playoffs when he allegedly emerged. He’s EASILY the worst Red Wing in my lifetime, and there’s no sign that he’ll be getting any better. Since, you know, he’s nearly thirty already.
Two: When Niklas Kronwall got his prior contract, everyone thought Holland was crazy then, too. He’s not afraid to pay for potential. He ended up being right about Kronwall, and who am I to argue with that logic? Do I think Ericsson will work out for that money? FUCK NO. Am I going to doubt Ken Holland’s method? FUCK NO X2.
by Michael Petrella on Nov 30, 2011 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That’s how I feel. I don’t remember when he signed Kronner to his previous contract because I didn’t follow the Wings. However, I remember hearing about it last season. They know something we don’t. As long as he keeps improving, I don’t have a problem with us keeping him. If he goes 1/4 season stuck in a rut, we need to accept whatever he’s become and go from there. I won’t say he’s great or even good, but I’ll be damned it he hasn’t suprised me at times. Ericsson is awkward… that’s the best way to describe him as he sits. He’s just warming a spot in the lineup till either he improves enough to be trusted full time on a higher up pairing, or until he goes somewhere else and one of our prospects comes up. Until then.. he’s just BigE… the last player picked in the NHL and at dodgeball.
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Compared to what other FA d-men got last summer
it wasn’t that bad a contract. In a vacuum, sure, Kenny would deserve a paper cut for this one. However, the FA market isn’t a vacuum, except when it sucks and forces good GM’s to hand out bad contracts.
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See...
I agree to an extent. Defensemen are ALWAYS overpaid, and last summer was no exception. But Ian White was a summer defense signing. And he’s orders of magnitude better than Ericsson… and getting paid nearly half a million less. And he’s younger. AND he was under no obligation to take a discount in the manner that you’d expect a player like Ericsson to take (he’s not obligated, either, just “more likely”).
So, yeah, he’s getting less money than James Wisniewski and Keith Yandle, but far more than he’ll ever deserve.
by Michael Petrella on Nov 30, 2011 3:24 PM CST up reply actions
good point
There wasn’t a lot on the market for decent money last year. He did what he could. I think we won’t know if it’s a bad deal till next year or even later.
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also, that was pretty mean to Wade Redden.
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Agreed. There was justification to pay Redden. Maybe not that much, but the man looked like he would be a perennial all star when he was offered the deal. Not so with Ericsson
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Nov 30, 2011 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
My understanding
I believe Ericsson’s NTC is the limited 10-team clause where he must select 10 teams at the start of each season to where he would accept a trade, but I’m working off a very fuzzy memory from this summer.
I wonder if he put the Ducks on there?
That said, I’m definitely on the lighter-on-the-big lug side than I feel most are. I can’t say that Ericsson is living up to his contract, but I feel that he’s closer to living up to it than being the completely worthless shitbag he gets called so often. If Ericsson were making $2M right now, I think I’d be completely content. I said in preseason that although he’s being bred to be a more defensive guy, I want points out of him. He’s not producing those.
However, the difference between his 0 goals and him probably being considered extremely close to earning his keep with, say, four goals is that he still shoots the puck like Kronwall did three years ago. Every time he jumps into the play and gets one of those awesome Kronwallian scoring chances, he tries to pick his corner fancy and misses.
…which is why I think the Kronwall comparison is extremely apt. If he starts hitting those, he’s going to quiet a lot of his critics. The mistakes he’s still making in his own end are becoming fewer and farther between, it just doesn’t seem that way because every time he makes one, people (me included) are too busy screaming ‘FUUUUCK ERICSSON. WHAT. THE. FFFFFUUUUUCCKKKK ERICSSONNNNN?" to notice that he’s making those little errors with about the same regularity as Kronner and Stuart are.
by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2011 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It’s shitbox, not shitbag. :)
Johnny’s “little errors” have a much higher tendency to end up in our net, even if you’re right about the frequency (which I’d dispute).
I do agree with you that I’d be perfectly content to have him as a steady #6, although $2M might still be a little high in my book.
by dteowner on Nov 30, 2011 3:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Johnny’s "little errors" have a much higher tendency to end up in our net, even if you’re right about the frequency (which I’d dispute).
I’ve been running a context-driven stats analysis on the team since the beginning of last year. The numbers from last year absolutely indicate that Jonathan Ericsson was the worst player to put on the Winged Wheel who got the chance to do it consistently.
This season, Jonathan Ericsson’s “little errors” have led to -4.5 worth of extra punishment for blown coverages and/or turnovers committed.
Brad Stuart: 7
Niklas Kronwall: 5.5
If you want to correct that out for minutes played and use it as a rate stat for per-60, here are those numbers.
Ericsson: 0.736 minuses-per-60
Stuart: 0.933 minuses-per-60
Kronwall: 0.647 minuses-per-60
Obviously, this is not a tell-all about which is the best defenseman, because I’m not trying to argue that Ericsson is even as good as Kronwall or Stuart (because that would be fucking stupid). What I’m saying is that people notice his mistakes more than they notice other players’ mistakes and that leads to confirmation bias every time he makes one.
by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2011 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
People forget
that Rafalski made a TON of mistakes last year and was paid a crapload. I don’t see how it’s different other than age. People are spoiled with Lids… they expect Ericsson to be like him or Kronner. Ericsson is Ericsson…. he’s awkward and makes mistakes. Show me a man on the ice that doesn’t and I’ll show you.. TPH. But in all seriousness, I don’t get the hate anymore. He and Kindl were the BEST pairing early in the season. They didn’t rack up points, but they kept goals from being scored.
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He’s on my team, therefore I want him to do well and succeed.
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Errors
Rafalski was also playing with 1 leg. Ericsson looks like he’s playing with 2 wooden stumps cause he’s that slow.
Modifications
See, I hadn’t heard about the specifics and I’ve been looking for them. The one you have written up IS the most common one and is very likely what he has. I’ve been trying my best to find any sort of specific detail on his clause, just so I can hate it — no matter what it is.
by Michael Petrella on Nov 30, 2011 4:09 PM CST up reply actions
Regardless of whether it's a green-list or a red-list
I hope it’s based on a specific due-date rather than a team request.
I don’t want him even more distracted by knowing he’s being shopped before Kenny gets a chance to pull the trigger (if that’s what ends up happening).
by J.J. from Kansas on Nov 30, 2011 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
What's wrong with him?
If the Ducks are squeezed for cash, there are other options than dumping one of their big 3. If Ryan is truly being shopped, it makes me think there’s a problem lurking in the shadows. Lockerroom cancer? Lazy? Substance abuse?
Someone mentioned the Richards trade as a comparison. Supposedly, one of the drivers for that trade is that Richards was a party animal. So, the Kings got the All-Star 2 way player as mentioned, but maybe they also got a problem that will bite them in the butt down the road.
Color me suspicious, that’s for sure.
by dteowner on Nov 30, 2011 3:22 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Nothing wrong with him. They just don’t want to trade the reigning scoring champ or their captain… Which leaves Ryan as the odd man out of the RPG line
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Nov 30, 2011 3:57 PM CST up reply actions
The Ducks want to cut salary
but they also want their offense to be more than the one-dimensional than they are right now. The RPG line accounts for something like 40+% of their total offense. Since they’ve gotta cut money and that money’s gotta come off the RPG line, they also want to get some pieces to make their 2-4 lines, well, less like pieces and more like useful.
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Ok I am going to chime in on this one.
And basically disagree with everyone else here. For starters as frustrating as I find Ericsson at times, he isn’t the that bad (though admittedly not worth his contract). But look at the way the offseason unfolded, dmen got big deals before July 1st, and thus Holland made the choice to pay Ericsson instead of trying to bid on the open market. In hindsight given what has transpired it might have been better off letting him test the market. Still he has been solid on the back end for us, though it would be nice to see him actually score when given the kind of chances he has had.
And second, Ryan isn’t going to come cheap for a host of reasons. There are going to be several teams in the mix for him, Rangers/Wings/Kings/Bruins for starters. His cap hit is 5.1 million for the next 4 seasons, that makes him a better value given his production, .78 pts per game for his career, which to compares to Franzen’s .58 or Z’s .93, placing him right in line with his pay between the two as well. He is 24 (soon to be 25 in march). I would have to say that is valuable. The Ducks would ask for Smith, and we all know it. The wings wont part with him but would have to give up Kindl and at least one of our top prospects (Tatar/Nyquist) along with our 1st round pick.
I am for one thinking against this. Like the concept not the price.
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Considering that about 29 teams are making calls this very instant if the rumour is true
I think it’s EXTREMELY unlikely the Wings will get him. Absolutely no way; they will either be outbid, or will not want to give up the assets to get him.
If I’m Anaheim I’d ask for Helm / Filpulla, Smith / Nyguist / Tatar or two of the aforementioned and a draft pick (First, most likely). If Detroit says no, they’ll just move on to a team that would say yes to a similar demand.
Never say never, but I think the odds are 95% the Wings don’t land him, and 5% pretty much every Red Wings fan rages about the price if they do.
Just want to put it out there
Do not let Filppula go. He’s finally starting to come into his own and I do not want to see him leave as he’s been playing the best hockey of his career. He’s a serviceable second line winger.
Living in Chicago is great... apart from the Blackhawks fans.
Agreed
Filps has been outstanding thus far, and I think that in addition to his Zetterberg-like style of play, people also undervalue his responsible defensive play.
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by datsyukiancircus on Nov 30, 2011 9:58 PM CST up reply actions
I just thought the same thing
I couldnt agree more.
I thought the same exact thing when I saw they were looking at dealing him (especially the part about hating the ducks but not so much Bobby Ryan personally as Randy Carlyle, Ryan Getzlaf, and douche bag Perry).
I’d definitely give up a 1st round pick in addition to a 3rd liner and a guy like Tatar, Nyquist, etc. In my opinion this is the deal we NEED to make and would be wisely spent cap space…especially since we’d be able to afford him in the long run as well. We could use just that extra bit of North American grit and strength, somebody who can take it to the net on a regular basis and run people over if any blueliner thinks they can stop him. Bobby Ryan is a great young forward and I’d hate to see any other team get him because I’d hate to see a team that is NOT Detroit benefit from his size athleticism and skill set.
I also would like more Americans on our roster but hey I can’t complain.
by datsyukiancircus on Nov 30, 2011 9:49 PM CST reply actions
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