Winging It in the Mail Room: Conklin and Ryan and Iginla, Oh My!
We're back with more of your question in our weekly mail bag. Thanks to those who submitted questions. If you would like to have your questions answered, please email us at WingingItMailBag@gmail.com.
Question #1 from Jessica:
If Holland is shopping for a backup goalie, who might be available?
Thanks for all your time and energy! WIIM is a fantastic blog, Jessica
J.J.: You know? I'm looking around the league and there's not a single goaltender I can see who fits all the criteria of being realistically available, understandably a backup, and paid a sane amount for the Wings. We're probably stuck with Ty Conklin for the foreseeable future. For the record, if Evgeni Nabokov were to come available, I think I'd snatch him up in a heartbeat.
Jeff: I agree with J.J. on Nabokov. He doesn't have the worlds greatest numbers right now (1-5-0, 2.83 GAA, .910 SV%), but he's also playing on the worst team in hockey. Put the Wings defense in front of him and their top 6 goals against per game average and Nabby would play a lot better. Believe it or not though, a potential new back up goalie might already be in the organization. Joey MacDonald was playing very well down in Grand Rapids (2.17 GAA, .930 SV%) before he was sidelined with a concussion on November 5. He starting skating again and could return for the Griffins in mid-December. If he keeps playing well it might be good to see what he can do if Conklin continues to struggle.
Graham: Are we panicking about Conklin a little too much? Yes, he has not played well, but he's played a grand total of 198 minutes in a Wing uniform this year, which is 3 games and 1 period. His job is simply to give the Wings a chance to win when he plays, and I still believe he does that. Remember, 2 of his losses came during "The Streak" when the Wings as a whole were playing like dog shit. Looking around the NHL (and at free agent goaltenders), I don't see a ton of help out there that would be an automatic upgrade for Detroit. I think the only reason why Conklin hasn't gotten a start or two lately is because Jimmy's been so hot Babcock wants to keep him in the zone. If he stinks up the joint in his next couple of starts, then I'll join the bandwagon looking for a new backup goalie.
More of your questions after the jump.
Questions #2 from Zack M.
There seems to be a ton of coaching turnovers recently and I assume Anaheim is on the horizon. Assuming there is a change do you think Anaheim is a good team for the Red Wings to trade with and if so whom would you target?
Thanks,
Zack
J.J.: I think we can throw the "you know what happens when you assume" shit out the window here. Well-called Zack. I think Anaheim is a medium-quality target for trades simply because it's still an intra-conference rival and it's always just a bit easier sending somebody across the conference line.
Jeff: I don't see a trade happening between the two franchises. I'm sure both GMs would do a deal if it helped out both clubs, but Bobby Ryan now appears to be off the market, and, really, who else on that roster would you really want to trade for? Teemu Selanne? He has a no move clause. Corey Perry? Ryan Getzlaf? Talented, yes, but no thank you. Other than Ryan, I'd really only want Cam Fowler, but even so, we have our young defenseman already in Brendan Smith.
Graham: Now that Anaheim has fired Carlyle and said Ryan's off the block, there's nothing the Ducks would offer to help the Wings that would be worth what they would want in return (a top defenseman or defensive prospect like Smith). The animosity that exists between the 2 fanbases is also big enough that it would have to be a huge trade to offset the negative public opinion that would be present after a deal, particularly on the Anaheim side (since Wings fans are smart and don't give a shit who they trade with as long as the team gets better).
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Question #3 from Zakary P.
People in Calgary are speculating that Detroit might be a trading partner in an Iginla deal. How would Iginla fit in as a Wing? Who would the Wings give up?
Zak
J.J.: I think Iginla would fit in superbly with the Red Wings, but I don't think he'd be worth the price.
Jeff: Jarome Iginla would be a perfect winger for Pavel Datsyuk. Could you imagine the goals those two would hook up on? Iginla, even at his age, has the ability to score 40-50 goals. He's practically a lock to score 30-plus. Give him an all-world set-up man like Pavel and I'd bet some legit money that Iggy would hit 50. With all that said, it would take quite a bit to get him from the Flames. The writing is on the wall that baring a miracle he won't win a Cup in Calgary. Jay Feaster is going to ask for a lot to give up a superstar that doesn't want to leave his team. On top of it all, Iginla would have to waive his no move clause. He's said time and time again that he doesn't want to leave. Would a deal to a team like Detroit change his mind? I would think so (but I'm just a little bit biased haha). Detroit would have to give up either Tomas Tatar or Gustav Nyquist, plus a defenseman and a high pick. Jakub Kindl is extremely expendable and great trade bait after seeing what Smith can do at the NHL level. Call me crazy, but I'd seriously consider trading Kindl, Tatar, and a 1st for Iginla. Capgeek.com says the deal works under the salary cap. Young players and a 1st rounder is a good haul, but the Flames could want even more.
Graham: A motivated Jarome Iginla playing with Pavel Datsyuk looking for a Cup could be a scary proposition for opponents. I would make the trade, but not at the expense of a boatload of picks and/or prospects. I think he'd be worth a roster player, a top prospect and a pick (as Jeff notes). The combination of players the Wings would have to part with in order to bring in Iginla would be the deciding factor for me on whether I like the deal or not.
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I really wouldn’t want to see us give up that many prospects for Iginla. Every time we trade away 2-3 good prospects for an aging superstar we put ourselves in just a little bit worse shape in the long term. We’ve largely gotten around that by having a few guys playing way above their draft-level, but I don’t think we can count on a steady stream of late-round superstars.
AGREED
I think the Wings prospects are just too valuable to give up as we have a few top 6 forwards in there somewhere. I don’t know about you all, but I’d rather have some depth right now with these potential stars either in GR or on our bottom 2 lines then trade for someone. I don’t see the wings making any moves at all this season honestly. I can see a move this summer either through UFA or a trade to improve our goaltending, as supposibly McCollum is struggling and below the track he needs to be on to enter the NHL soon.
Meh
We have some good prospects in the organization and realisticly they are not all going to make it, no matter how much we may cheer for them or like them, if we move one or two for a proven scorer who can help take this team back to the promised land (I was in the HHOF a few days ago and I already scouted out a nice spot on the Stanley cup for the 2011-12 Red Wings) I would go with it. I would prefer not to trade anyone from the active roster but I suppose it will probably take one player, a pick and a prospect to get it done.
Photochop.. I love it and laugh everytime I read it.
I’m 100% with Jgraham on Conklin. He hasn’t played much, and I don’t much stock in the results during “The streak that shall not be mentioned”. I love love love Jimmah and he’s got confidence and swag, but he can’t play every game; though I do believe he’s try. Conklin hasn’t had much chance to show us what he’s got. I think we should keep him and play him. Give him a chance to redeem himself and play behind a team that’s playing like we know they can. I’m not down on Conklin and I don’t’ blame him for the losses. I have confidence in him and I think getting games in is necessary for him, not only physically but mentally. He needs to build up his confidence again, because I imagine it was a little rattled. The only reason I’d be hesitant to start the Conk Block is because, as Jgraham pointed out, Jimmah’s hot and on, and why break up a good thing.
Jgraham?
Is that like some weird Dr. Frankenstein creation…half JJ, half Graham…all monster?
Brendan Smith fan
by JeffHancock41 on Dec 2, 2011 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
have you missed all the "J" conversations!?!?!
Every one of the writers here at WIMM have first names that start with “J”, except for this Graham guy. So we came up with a formula in which J.J. refused to give up one of his J’s, but someone else was generous enough to give him one. Hence Jgraham. I can’t believe you missed that crisis.
by SlapshotGoal on Dec 2, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
I remember the conversation about everyone with a "J" in one of the threads
I, however, did miss out on the whole giving Graham a “J.” He can’t have mine lol
Brendan Smith fan
by JeffHancock41 on Dec 2, 2011 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
J.J.:
“eff or osh can give him one of theirs. i need both of mine.”
You wanna tell me that to mah face?!
YET ANOTHER Detroit Red Wings blog.
ha ha ha ha ha.
I think we either decided that Josh Howard would donate his J, or I have an extra L in my name that I am willing to flip around and then donate. Either way, Jgraham was born!
by SlapshotGoal on Dec 2, 2011 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
i'm keeping mine
on the very off-chance i ever get a gig writing for this site. THE J LIVES!
You wanna tell me that to mah face?!
YET ANOTHER Detroit Red Wings blog.
I also remember somebody gave him a different letter and he became Gracham for a bit.
by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 2, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
Damn straight
and I’m putting ’em to good use too.
by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 2, 2011 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
MOAR AGREE on Conklin.
I’d really like to see Conks back in net now that (nearly) everybody’s found their groove again. Jimmah Is Our King, and we’ll need him to be solid in February and March, and all that, so I’m patiently waiting for Conks to get his chance again. TPL’s Conklin-rating on the Gradient of Failure makes it sound like he’s been blowing three-goal leads every other game since October.
Don't take life so serious, son -- it ain't nohow permanent.
I think we will
Looking at this month’s schedule, I’d expect to see Conks against Phoenix, Calgary, and at least one of the Nashville/St. Louis/Chicago/St. Louis set at the end of the month.
Iginla
Would be interesting. He has one more year left on his contract after this season at 7 million. With Bert’s and Homer’s contract up we could continue to afford him for another year. He is a goal scorer and that is something the Wings are missing. I would be looking to send Kindle, Miller/Hudler, and a 3rd. I am against sending Tatar or Nyquist anywhere.
You have to give talent to get talent
No way the Wings get any top line scorer like Iginla or Parise without giving up one of Tatar or Nyquist plus Kindl or Smith.
Brendan Smith fan
by JeffHancock41 on Dec 2, 2011 12:14 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
There's the conundrum
Are we over-valuing prospects? Would you rather trade a prospect that MAY turn out to be good to get a proven goal-scorer like Iginla, or roll the dice and hope that the prospect pans out the way we want them to?
BOOM
If you can get an Iginla or Parise who would make this team the instant Cup favorite and you give up a prospect like Tatar you gotta do it, no? Nick won’t be here forever (we think). Tatar may become awesome. Tatar may turn into Hudler 2.0? We don’t know for sure, but you’re not going to get a goal scoring stud without giving up something of value.
Brendan Smith fan
by JeffHancock41 on Dec 2, 2011 2:53 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd give nearly anything for Parise
But not for Iginla, he’s old and in my opinion in the downturn of his career. Parise is just getting started.
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Having Iginla
would be like having another Shanahan.
I'm not sure that I want Iginla
Yeah, I said it. Don’t get me wrong, if the trigger got pulled on the deal I certainly wouldn’t be down on it. The thing is, it seems there’s a bit of a youth movement right now. Flip’s finally starting to put it together, Helm’s finally putting chances in the net, all the younger guys are starting to enter their primes, and all the kids from GR are starting to get big-club minutes. Bringing in someone like Iginla on the downslope of his career seems anathema to the Wings’ current reloading. Aside from the (likely considerable) on-ice production, the only other thing I see Iginla bringing into the room is that “Win One For Iggy” intangible for the one-half to two seasons he’d be here for. In the short-term that would be nice; win Iggy his Cup, get Nick his thumb ring, and then watch Colorado retire Iginla’s number. In the longer-term, Iginla blocks someone’s development, which may prove detrimental in the years following his retirement. I’d like to see a trade, but I’d like to see a trade for someone younger that could be a part of the picture for longer.
Think about how stupid the average person is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! --George Carlin
matchsticks and gasoline
had a really good write-up of the Iginla situation. i especially agree with Mitch Smith in the comments.
You wanna tell me that to mah face?!
YET ANOTHER Detroit Red Wings blog.
Jiggy Iggy Don't Play D
There’s no room on the wings roster for overpaid divas that don’t backcheck.
Without the D, it would just be ‘etroit (or possibly j’etroit if JJ would reconsider…) and that would suck almost as much as living in ohio.
Hahaha
I would lease one of my Js to the city of J’etroit for a reasonable offer.
by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 2, 2011 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
Makes it sound too Canadian
And Detroit ain’t in Canadia.
Think about how stupid the average person is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! --George Carlin
Detroit is as close to being Canadian as it gets
we are even included in the OHL
by DeathtotheHawks on Dec 2, 2011 5:42 PM CST up reply actions
Fair enough
But haven’t we all been clamouring for a goal scorer? If that’s what the Wings truly need, who gives a shit if he plays defense?
HEY!
I live in Ohio and have all my life. The North Coast isn’t a bad place to be. Farther south, well, that’s another story.
I live in Ohio too...
and I think you’re in denial
Trade?
Ohio’s just fine. Lived in MI for 35 years and moved to the Buckeye state, Have been here for 31 years , so far. There’s very little difference – except Ohio is flatter and people don’t look at the ground all the time and even smile occasionally. As far as the trade .. I’d try to peddle Ericsson before Kindl or Smith. I have a feeling any team we deal with will ask for Flip.

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