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Hey folks. Welcome to the Tuesday edition of the mailbag. We've got a handful of great questions for you. Remember, to have your own question featured, send it in to WingingItMailBag@gmail.com. Let's get this ball rolling.

Question #1

What's the karmic load of touching/not touching the Campbell Bowl or Prince of Wales Award -- or any other award?

-Sunday

J.J. I'll admit that I am a regularstitious person. I believe thing that are caused are caused by the things which caused them. I definitely don't believe that there's some cosmic force which decides accepting a "lesser" trophy than the Stanley Cup means that the team has settled for the lesser prize and therefore doesn't deserve to win the Stanley Cup. ProHockeyTalk did an article about it before last year's cup finals which had the record for trophy-touchers (which sounds awesomely dirty) at 4-5 since 2001. Ultimately, I won't say that the mental effect on players who believe in superstitions isn't real, but I don't really think the hockey gods hate players who accept trophies.

Graham: Personally, I couldn't give a shit if anyone touches the damn thing or not. I get the whole "that's not the one we want to win" thing, but I don't see anything wrong with celebrating the achievement of winning your conference, even if it's just to pick it up and take it to the dressing room to use as an iPod speaker. However, I'm also (unlike JJ) a very superstitious person, so I understand why a player may feel like he "jinxes" the team if he touches it. Ultimately, I think it's about the mindset of the players and whether they believe in that stuff.

Jeff: We've seen teams touch it and win the Cup and we've seen teams avoid it like the plague and win the Cup. One way or another I don't think it really makes a difference. I wouldn't touch it though. That's just me. I do, however, think it was weird when the Bruins entire team all skated and posed with the Wales Trophy last season. I thought that was a bit much and a little "hey we're just happy to me" moment. But they won the Cup, so who knows. As long as the Wings' win the Cup, I could care less what Nicklas Lidstrom does with the Campbell Bowl.

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Question #2 (from twitter user @emilyyyclaire)

who is worse: Pierre McGuire or Brian Engblom?

Jeff: This is like being asked, "What's worse: being mauled by a Lion or falling off a skyscraper and plummeting to your death." There really isn't a great option. If I had to choose, it would be Pierre McGuire and being mauled by a Lion. The Lions would gauge your eyes out with it's claws and bite you and rip your flesh. It would be a long, slow, painful process. Much like listening to anything the douche canoe says. It's a long, slow, stand way-to-close-to-you process. Engblom is like falling of a skyscraper. Yeah the fall sucks and you know what's going to happen next, but you'll hit the ground you'll die instantly and it's over with quick. Engblom talks and it's over with. He generally doesn't drag on with stupidity like McGuire. Plus, Engblom isn't as bad at the rink as he was in the studio. He tried to be way over the top in studio. He's more normal -- if that's possible -- at the rink.

Graham: Gotta agree with Pierre, although us bald guys should stick together. For me, it's not just about what he does that's worse than Engblom; it's that I hope that Chris Hansen emerges from the dressing room every time that McGuire talks about one of the kids in the World Junior Championships. That, and Engblom never puts on that ridiculous accent whenever he pronounces a French name. It's like Pierre was angling for the Canadiens job or something.

J.J. It's Pierre McGuire and it's not even close for me. Brian Engblom is kind of a boob on the sideline, but it's more of a guy who occasionally trips over his tongue or sees a play wrong at full-speed. McGuire elocutes a lot better than Engblom, but he also overpronounces so many names (VallllllTTTERRRY FEEL-POOOL-AHAHAH *thunderclap*). He also has a habit of deciding how a game is going based on the first five minutes of a period and then hammering that opinion home for the other 15 minutes by hammering ill-fitting examples into it and then asking coaches horribly leading questions on the benches. Really, the only good things about McGuire calling a Wings game is that you can tell Doc Emrick loves to give him shit and you can see the wheels spinning in Mike Babcock's head fighting the urge to call the guy stupid on national TV while he's trying to coach a game.

Question #3

Hey, I was wondering what the cap space is for this year and for next year, I'm kinda thinking a head here about who is going to get resigned and the usual off season stuff... Ha what's your reaction for a a Wings fan from being from Pitt lol.

J.J. Right now (per Capgeek, which is an awesome source for this kind of stuff), the Wings are sitting on about $5.6M under the cap. It'll bounce around a bit as players come and go from IR, but just consider it $5.5M when you're doing your crazy GM calculations for who is affordable in trade scenarios. We have to cop out for next year though. The Wings have just under $40M dedicated to 14 players (9F, 4D, 1G). BUT, the Collective Bargaining Agreement expires before next season starts and it's really just too hard to guess what the cap is going to do for official space. Just trust that the Wings will have space to fill their roster with a top-pairing defenseman and a top-six forward if they can find the right guys at the right prices. As far as being a Wings fan in Pitt... There are a growing number of you. Take heart in knowing that there are a lot of Pittsburgh fans who are just as annoyed by all the half-fan yinzers who hang around the Penguins only when it's convenient for them as well.

Graham: Well, JJ broke down the numbers, but I think the Red Wing team we see next year is going to be very different from the one we're currently watching. There's a strong possibility that 3 of the team's 7 defenseman and 3 forwards could all be gone. As JJ said, the uncertainty of the new CBA will make things very interesting in that no one will know whether the cap is going up or down, or what the numbers ultimately will be, but there's a lot of money there to do something and keep this team contending for the foreseeable future.

As for being a Wings fan from Pitt, know that I was born and raised in Toronto and became a Wing fan at the tender age of 8. So I know exactly how you feel, except I was surrounded by loyal fans.

Jeff: Since JJ and Graham did a nice job with the whole cap space questions, no use in repeating what they said again. I'll just jump to the second half of the question.

I don't care where you're from, if you're a Wings fan, than you're a-okay in my book. Plus, I have to imagine that being a Detroit fan in Pittsburgh just ignores the piss out of Pens fans. So the more we can annoy Pens fans the better. Keep up the good work.

Question #4

Just wondering if you guys think that Holland will actually make any moves at the trade deadline? There's plenty of talk about Semin, Parise, etc. but I see the same thing happening as last year - no changes.

Shanny14

Graham: I think that, barring a long-term injury, Holland will look to tinker with the team, but I don't see him making a major move that may upset the chemistry in the room that seems to be pretty good. Having said that, I'm not convinced this team has all the pieces in place to win a Cup, but I'm not sure that the teams that are going to have the kind of players the Wings need (like a Parise or Semin) are going to be in a position to deal them for prospects and picks, which is what the Wings would likely be looking to move. However, I'm sure that $5M in cap space is just burning a hole in Holland's pocket, and it's nice to know he has the flexibility to make a move should one be required or deemed necessary by management.

Jeff: There will be a move of some sorts. This team has won a Cup since 2008 and hasn't made it past the second round in the last two years. That's unacceptable around these parts and in the Red Wings organization. They have high standards. In the past, we've never really had the cap space, this year is very different. Kenny has something up his sleeve. Just wait. I don't have any inside information by any means, but my guy tells me there will be a move of significance. It might now be a Semin or Parise type trade, but something that makes you say "wow, this team is much better today than it was yesterday."

J.J. What they said.

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Another edition of the mail bag is in the books. Thanks to those who sent in questions. Remember, if you've got something to ask, please send it to us at WingingItMailBag@gmail.com.

[once again, big thanks to Photochop Guru Josh Howard for the mail room picture]

Let's Go Red Wings.

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Superstitions are silly to me… they become a religion for some in the sports community. People go through a crazy amount of time and effort to try and “help” themselves or others even if they have no connection to them. EX: Nothing I do is going to impact how the Wings play. Jimmy Howard and a bit of puck luck is going to determine if Jimmy Howard wins.. not whether I wear his jersey, if I wear some special sox, if I’ve eatten a special dinner, or if he used the john before the game. Ok… maybe that last one might make it tough to win a game.. but… it just seems silly how worked up people get over things like shutouts, perfect games, and things of that nature. If the team has a rule about what they are gonna do, that’s one thing… but if people are superstitious… that’s just a waste of energy. To each his own I guess. The focus should always just be on trying to win… there are no cursed teams or players… only poorly run, shitty teams and poorly performing, shitty players.

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by Josh Howard on Dec 20, 2011 1:17 PM CST reply actions  

On Superstition

There are very few ways to truly “waste” energy. I used to be superstitious about teams growing up, I actually remember that it’s a lot of fun. Even if it doesn’t have an effect, I feel that superstitions serve a good purpose for people to feel a bit of ownership about their fanhood of the team or perhaps makes them feel a bit more like they’re a part of it. Enjoying sports for the cold, calculating realities and the “mathematics” of it all if you will is definitely for some people, other people enjoy it as a visceral and shared human experience. There isn’t a right or wrong way to internalize what you enjoy about watching sports. The ultimate stoicism of the whole thing would say that even watching sports is the real “waste” of energy, but we all know that it’s not the case. Sure, there are nobler things being done by nobler people, but even if it’s just in the shared experiences and the awesome community, I feel that fandom has enriched my life.

There are ways to take it too far, of course. I never begrudge anybody his or her superstitions as long as those people are happy enough to accept that I’m willing to deal with their beliefs in superstition only to a point. I try not to say “shutout” or “no hitter” when discussing those things just because it’s polite to refrain from it (and being told by a hundred people that it’s me and not the law of averages that’s the reason when one gets broken up gets really tiring). So I’ll happily stay away from those taboo words or will be careful to not actually wipe my feet on the Detroit Lions doormat you put down because doing so would be bad luck or whatever; it doesn’t cost me anything as a person to go along with these things.

By the same token though, if somebody does do something which sets off a superstitious person to the point of yelling at or degrading somebody, that’s absolutely my line. I’ll more than happily throw a black cat across your path into a mirror while spilling salt all over the place and invoking the names of every cursed jerk who’s ever hurt your team just to piss you off if you start the go-nuts fest.

by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 20, 2011 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

hahaha

That’s how I feel.. I dunno if it came across like that. Probably not. I probably came across as an asshole. If someone wants to be crazy about those things… fine. But, don’t blame or get pissed at someone when they don’t do what you do. (I also don’t say “shutout” or “nohitter” out of respect to others, but i’m not gonna waste energy thinking it actually DOES anything either.

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by Josh Howard on Dec 20, 2011 1:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Always approve of starting a go-nuts fest

That said. If we let in a bunch of goals and I’m wearing a forward’s jersey I will switch to the goalie jersey. Not that it changes the game at all, I just feel more like I’m doing my part in supporting the team.

Note: I use to sit in a special way and eat certain things, but have since decided that they will win even if I don’t eat hotdogs on game day.

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by holmstrom96 on Dec 20, 2011 2:05 PM CST up reply actions  

they will win even if I don’t eat hotdogs on game day.

Larry Murphy disagrees. :)

by SlapshotGoal on Dec 21, 2011 8:25 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

The correct answer question 2 is actually Scott Burnside.

by Apocalyptic0n3 on Dec 20, 2011 2:34 PM CST reply actions  

"wow, this team is much better today than it was yesterday."

I see what you’re saying. Somebody a la Ian White. A pretty solid player on their current team, but who would thrive in red and white.

by shanny14 on Dec 20, 2011 3:04 PM CST reply actions  

Drew Stafford

4 mil cap hit for a couple years, still gives Holland some wiggle room, if buffalo can’t make it to the playoffs, they may be looking for some picks and young players to work with. He could step into Bert’s spot on the top line next year, and give us a legit top 6 forward. I don’t know how willing Buffalo would be willing to trade him, Kindl and a first maybe?

I'm a Homer

by holmstrom96 on Dec 20, 2011 4:05 PM CST up reply actions  

I hate superstitions with the power of a thousand exploding suns.

That’s all I can say without going into some tangential rant.

I hate Jonathon Ericsson.

by Brion on Dec 20, 2011 7:29 PM CST reply actions  

Misread "tangential" at first

I thought you were talking about sunning your nads.

by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 20, 2011 7:45 PM CST up reply actions  

just a few thoughts

1) I think it was Yzerman started the no-touch-the-worthless trophy-superstition. After the game 7 OT celebration against the Blues in round 3, the wings skated the Campbell Bowl like it was some kind Cup. It was happy times at the Joe and looked like a celebration worth of the finals. The wings failed to show up for the next round, so the finals were canceled that year. (at least that’s how I remember it.)

The next trip to the finals, Yzerman didn’t touch the bowl and Shanahan provided the sound bite for the wings approach to the next four games – “We haven’t won anything yet.”

2) Here is the transcript of what came out of my TV the last time Pierre McGuire popped on the screen before I could find the mute button;

sidney crosby sidney crosby sidney crosby … monster … crosby sidney? sidney crosby! sidn…{click}

3/4) The going rate for a high-end renta-player to fill out the remaining cap space at the deadline seems to be going down ever since Hossa jumped ship on the penguins, but I don’t think anyone will trade with the wings anymore. (fear of looking stupid and everyone hates the wings) If Mike Millbury lands a GM job in edmonton, Holland might be able to swing a Larry Murphy for Hall kind of deal outside of that…

Semin, Parise these teams are in the play off chase to be trading away renta players.

The upcoming free agents on the teams that probably won’t push for playoff spot just don’t look all that appealing right now.

Ville Leino – ha ha ha!
Jason Blake – um no, nevermind.

I just don’t know enough about the hurricanes or islanders to know who would be a good fit on the wings.

by nickname1234 on Dec 20, 2011 11:51 PM CST reply actions  

so the finals were canceled that year.

Hahaha. I remember that too.

by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 21, 2011 7:18 AM CST up reply actions  

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