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I'm on Team Hollis for this subject. The Wings don't want a goon/enforcer who can't play. That's a waste of a roster spot., but come freakin' on. Someone stand up and do something and defend your goalie and teammates. We all want a Parise-type player at the deadline, but maybe we need a solid 2nd or 3rd liner that is more than willing to drop the gloves (and not in a staged Brad May type way). Maybe I've just been living in Boston too long. But someone wearing blue last night deserve to be punched and punched more than once.
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King of the crease, yes. But I'd sure as hell like to see him receive a "shove" and crash hard into the goalie and then have someone score and see the goal still count. Fat chance at that happening. I wonder if refs let Jimmy get run because they think it makes up for Homer on the other end of the ice. This thought has crossed my mind more than once.
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Kesler says he had his head down and takes responsibility for the hit. Makes since. He also says his only problem is Kronner didn't stand up for himself after? If it was a clean hit (more on that later) and you're the one that screwed up, why the hell does he have to stand up for himself? Why the hell can't players just accept they f'd up and got caught got with their head down and got rocked. Why do good, hard, clean hits always have to end up in a fight.
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DIscussion: Should Niklas Kronwall be suspended? When watching the hit live and seeing the replay immediately, it's quite clear he left his feet. That's against the rules and at the very least he should have been given a minor last night in the game. This isn't a head shot. It's not hitting from behind. It's not boarding. Kesler himself admitted that he had his head down and Kronwall got him good. My initial reaction was that he'd get a game because he left his feet and it was a potentially dangerous hit. Plus the tin-foil hat side of me thought Shanny would suspend him just so people wouldn't claim he has a Wings' bias. After sleeping on it, I don't think Kronner will be suspended. I do think he will receive a phone call and a chat with his old teammate, but, and correct me if I'm wrong here, Kronwall has no prior history. He's never been suspended or fined to my knowledge. I think he get s a call from Shanny, a lecture, a $2,500 fine, and becomes a "repeat" offender if there is ever another incident.
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Sami Salo’s “Oh ****, what do I have to do here….please don’t fight, please don’t fight…oh thank god Raymond is here.”
I agree that it should have been a two minute charging penalty and nothing more
If he hadn’t left his feet, this hit would have been used as a model for players on how to make a hit through the body.
Fan of the Detroit Tigers, Lions and Red Wings.
He left his feet
Was it as egregious as some hits? I don’t think so. But if he gets a game or 2, it’ll be hard to complain. Especially after Shanny set the precedent a couple weeks ago.
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I'm torn
While on the one hand I think that he left his feet right at the moment of impact, I don’t believe the hit was so dangerous that it needs to be suspendable. He hit Kesler in the chest, there was no head contact, and Kesler was pretty obviously ok. Plus, Kronwall threw his ass into him, which is one of the softest areas of his body.
If anything, Kesler should be thanking Kronwall that it wasn’t a shoulder.
If Kronwall gets one game, I won’t cry, but it would be a bit rough for what’s really just a charge.
But if it needs to send a message, then whatever.
by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 22, 2011 7:16 AM CST reply actions
And there's the flip side of it
Should Shanny have to suspend guys to make up for incompetent officiating?
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Seems that way
I would hope that the NHL is noting these in missed calls by the refs. I’d like to think they are.
by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 22, 2011 7:42 AM CST up reply actions
They can note it all they want
If they aren’t going to use it to improve the quality, it doesn’t do any good.
It seems the quality of officiating has been sliding lately. From linesmen who don’t know how to drop the puck, to refs missing fairly obvious calls (or just making shit up in the case of Riggy’s hook the other night). It seems something is missing in their training and evaluation process.
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I actually think the officials’ union may be pulling a bit too much sway.
by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 22, 2011 8:05 AM CST up reply actions
Yep
And their seems to be no type of consequence for bad/missed calls. Least not anything made public. Leaves them looking a bit untouchable.
Years ago.. I used to be a “certified” ref. Only a level 1, but certified I was. Not sure how it works now but back then it was on a level system. Level 4, being the highest/NHL level. It took quite a bit of time and work, just to make it to a level 1, just to do kid’s games and such. Months of classes, on-ice practice and testing. From what I remember.. it takes quite a long time to reach level 4 and not just everyone who “puts in time” makes it.
No doubt it’s a tough job, especially in hockey. But seems the quality of refs/calls out there has been on the decline, for some time now.
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by Let's JOE WINGS-BOLTS on Dec 22, 2011 8:29 AM CST up reply actions
don't forget
there were a bunch of experienced guys that retired last year.
This is the flip side to that. Rookies getting on the job training… That is why the reffing has been so uneven this year
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It was kind of a hit from behind… be it Kronwall’s behind. Was in his favorite spot for it too, just south of the opposing teams bench. The only thing that’s ever really “questionable” in any Kronwalling, is whether he left his feet or not. Most of the time though, think it’s just a result, from the amount of impact.
Watching the clips on the 12 days of X-Mas post the other day, seeing those hits for the first time in a while. If their is a few things you tend to notice. Kronner knows how to hit and knows how to hit clean. Like Babs said… he just explodes through players. Full body checks, with elbows down.
As far as Kessler’s comments… if their is another thing you notice when watching past Kronwalling’s, is that they rarely lead to any post play scrums. Aside from “the hit” on Havlat, which did more to hurt Havlat, than it did Kronner. Meaning either the players where to stunned to do anything or they were clean.
Man up Kessler, all the way. Be glad you got Kronwalled… not Cook’d and will be able to play the next game.
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by Let's JOE WINGS-BOLTS on Dec 22, 2011 8:20 AM CST reply actions
he should get a merit award
I usually err on the side of suspension in all cases but to me it looks like he left his feet to avoid making contact via shoulder or elbow.
Any other era, Kesler either is more careful, or dead.
by Wizard of Corsica on Dec 22, 2011 8:27 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Suspension.
It was stupid. Why jump like that?
by eight_legged_freaks on Dec 22, 2011 8:28 AM CST reply actions
Think it’s just how Kronwall throws a check. Kessler just happened to come into it a bit later than expected. Usually the guy is on his way to la-la land by the time Kronner’s feet leave the ice.
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by Let's JOE WINGS-BOLTS on Dec 22, 2011 8:33 AM CST up reply actions
Kesler*
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by Let's JOE WINGS-BOLTS on Dec 22, 2011 8:36 AM CST up reply actions
Oh Kevin Bieksa
From Malik’s preview:
"You know, to me, because of how sneaky it is, it’s a little bit dirty, and if you’re going to do that, you should pay the price, and he hasn’t paid the price yet, so…You lose a little respect in my books, for sure. I don’t know if it’s gonna take somebody jumping him, and beating the crap out of him, for him to stop that, but I don’t like it."
So hitting a guy with his head down along the boards while he’s got the puck is “sneaky”? Good gravy the hypocrisy coming from the Canucklehead players is bordering on farce. Kronwall left his feet a little, and I agree he should have gotten a penalty for charging, but there was no malicious intent, and Kesler needs to not be so damned butthurt about getting rocked.
Kesler might want to shut his mouth about Kronwall having no fights considering the last time he fought was in 2010 against noted tough guy Niclas Wallin.
So Bieksa wants someone to go all Dan Carcillo on Kronwall over a bodycheck that his OWN TEAMMATE admitted was more his fault than Kronners?
Stay classy Vancouver, stay classy.
Consequences Schmonsequences.
I don’t know if it’s gonna take somebody jumping him, and beating the crap out of him, for him to stop that,
So, in other words, he wants one of his teammates to follow in Bertuzzi’s footsteps.
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Honestly, and complete non-homer statement here (which I don't care whether people believe that or not)
But how many of the professional leagues would be absolutely silent about this statement? Hasn’t the NBA and the NFL fined players for basically calling for a guy to get frontier justiced by somebody else? This seems to happen in hockey more often.
I’d like to see Bieksa warned about making vague threats like this.
by J.J. from Kansas on Dec 22, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
Like Chelios, talking about, say… the guy who runs the league in which he plays in. Haha, classic.
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by Let's JOE WINGS-BOLTS on Dec 22, 2011 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
Refresher. Pretty ballsy move, hah. On both parts.
(note: do not watch the Chelios DUI video, very sad)
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by Let's JOE WINGS-BOLTS on Dec 22, 2011 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
You know
Wasn’t this type of rhetoric said by Vancouver players after a certain Canucks-Avalanche game in 2004?
You’d think the organization would know better than to allow their players to make veiled threats like this considering what happened the last time a Canuck tough-guy felt that an opponent deserved some sort of retribution from what was felt to be an illegal hit on a star Canuck player.
by Amerinadian on Dec 22, 2011 11:14 AM CST up reply actions
Sure is
Which apparently still isn’t finished, in the courts, anyways. I remember when we first got Bert back.. their was a worry if he’d be called out during the season to testify or be present for the ongoing disputes.
Also, here is this:
The trial involving Bertuzzi and Moore is scheduled to begin in 2012, with the date being September 24 or October 22 depending on whether Bertuzzi is still active in the NHL before the September date
(now to do some type of spell or dance, to remove the bad mojo I just caused)
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by Let's JOE WINGS-BOLTS on Dec 22, 2011 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
Of course he doesn’t like it, he’s the one that was caught with his head down not paying attention. Kronner did a good job of making all body contact and not injuring him. With a hit that hard and fast, that takes talent and skill. It shows a lot about Kesler’s character, or lack thereof, to say that someone should jump Kronner and beat the crap out of him. That’s the kind of player Kesler is, screw him. If he ever, by some horrible chance, came to Detroit, I’l beat the crap out of him myself. Would you ever expect to hear something like that from a Red Wing? No fraking way. The more I read about Vancouver’s reactions, the more fired up I get. There is to whining and crying in hockey. Get over it.
by SlapshotGoal on Dec 22, 2011 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
It was Kevin Bieksa who made that “statement” But..yeah.. same goes for both guys.
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by Let's JOE WINGS-BOLTS on Dec 22, 2011 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
Thanks for the clarification, that's kind of embarasing.
I don’t respect Kesler either, but my sentiment above still applies to Bieksa.
by SlapshotGoal on Dec 22, 2011 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
oh god
What a joke. Ask Ryan Clowe how that worked out. Love ya Kronner, keep up the great work!
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by Let's JOE WINGS-BOLTS on Dec 22, 2011 10:57 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I keep watching the Kronwall hit over and over again; partly for my own pleasure, and partly to dissect it and see what exactly happened. On full speed replays it’s hard to judge exactly why and when he left his feet. Did he leave his feet? Absolutely. But when I watch the hit in really slow motion, it looks to me like the very beginning contact was with the back of Kronner’s shoulder on Kesler’s chest. At that point Kronner’s left skate is so close to the ice that I can’t tell for sure exactly how far up it is and his right one is off the ice for sure. To me it looks like most of his feet coming off the ice was really close to the beginning of the impact. The other thing it looks like to me, is that if Kronner didn’t have his right skate up, which allowed him to angle his body so that his left side (which was the side that made the most contact first) was lower and in a better, clean hit position, he might have made contact either with the side of Kesler’s head, or possible hit him more with his elbow. I don’t think he should be suspended, and with a hit that hard and that fast, I think Kronwall does a good job of making sure he makes body contact. There’s no head contact, it’s not a high hit, not from behind, no elbows up, no knee on knee. I can’t see anything remotely dirty or injurious about the hit. Maybe a fine, but since it was clearly a clean hit, no illegal contact and no injury I just can’t see a suspension coming from this. Let me ask this of anyone who has a better view than I, if Kronwall doesn’t leave his feet just prior to the hit, would that have changed the nature of the hit? Would there have possibly been contact, such as knee, elbow, head, that could have had dangerous results?
Exactly.
And that why were thankful that it’s mainly Shanny’s decision on the outcome. Someone who’s been there and has some actual balls. Now, if the rest of the world would realize that he played for more teams, than Detroit, in his long career.
If you watch replays of other Kronwallings, you’ll notice that’s just how he throws a check. Him leaving his feet is more a result of high velocity impact or bracing for it. Also note, that very rarely does a Kronner hit, result in injury, to either player. Just because it “looks” bad, does not mean it is.
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by Let's JOE WINGS-BOLTS on Dec 22, 2011 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Right.
Kronner puts forth extra effort to make sure his hits are big, hard and non injurious. That’s part of what I respect about him and his play. The hitee may by laying on the ice afterwards with tweety birds swarming around his head wondering what just hit him, but he should thank his lucky stars that he can get up and skate off the ice with no serious injuries. Kronwall is proof that you don’t have to take hitting out of the game to eliminate unnecessary injury. If someone can get Kronwalled and not be injured, that shows we can have the hard hitting, physical game without being dicks about it.
by SlapshotGoal on Dec 22, 2011 11:15 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Twas a killer butt check.
Nobody got concussed, no flying elbows, no big deal.
by sanford_and_son on Dec 22, 2011 12:05 PM CST reply actions 1 recs

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