Look Around the League: Available Defensemen
It's no secret that the Red Wings have not played up to their defensive potential this season; they've surrendered more goals per game than any other currently playoff-bound Western Conference team. While my post yesterday lays my opinions about this pretty clear, there are people out there in Red Wings nation who would like to see GM Ken Holland make a move before the trade deadline to help shore up the defensive corps for a playoff push. TSN's Bob McKenzie was on NHL Network's NHL on the Fly last night to discuss the bevy of available defensemen out there. While I remain strong-minded that the Wings don't need to make a move, it's worth it to explore the options and to see what the Wings would have to give up in order to get something back.
So there you have the list. Follow me below the jump where we'll take a closer look at some of these guys.
First off, the salary cap issue: The Red Wings are up against the cap about as far as they can go. I'm going to simplify a complex issue. For every dollar they take on, they have to lose a dollar somewhere. As a result, I'm automatically throwing a few guys off the list for being too expensive. Francois Beauchemin ($3.8M), Tomas Kaberle ($4.25M), Ron Hainsey ($4.5M), Robyn Regehr ($4M), Eric Brewer ($4.25M), Sheldon Souray ($5.4M), and Mike Commodore (forget the cap hit, he hates Babcock)As for the salary going the other way, there are a few options. For the sake of sanity, I'm going to assume that none of the guys we're discussing are worth more than two Red Wings players. Here are the players I'm considering as trade bait:
Jonathan Ericsson: He's a UFA at the end of this season, where he's making $900K to play. All of Red Wings nation has vacillated between hope and despair for him. He's basically the must-move in this situation, as it would be his roster spot the replacement would be taking. If for some reason you believe Jakub Kindl would be better to get rid of (or more likely to be requested in a trade, rather), then feel free to replace Ericsson in your own mind with Kindl's $833K cap hit through the 2012-13 season (where he's an RFA).
Jiri Hudler: With a cap hit of $2.875M and a contract that expires after the end of the 2011-12 season, this still-underperforming-but-looking-better Czech may be traded as a way to clear up cap space for some of the more highly-paid guys. If Holland is confident in the Wings' forward health going into the playoffs, he might take a risk that Hudler isn't going to keep his improvement up after being moved back to the third line.
Drew Miller / Justin Abdelkader / Patrick Eaves: Salary ranges from $650k for Miller to $787.5K for Abdelkader make these guys the alternate expendables for a move. If the Wings get fully healthy, there's not going to be space for all of them anyway.
A couple notes on guys I haven't mentioned here. Kris Draper and his $1.583M cap hit are not going anywhere. Throw out the organizational loyalty and you still have a +35 contract and a no-trade clause. Secondly, I've seen Valtteri Filppula's name pop up here and there. I'm sorry, but if you believe this, I'm amazed you've been able to read this far down. No matter how emotionally detached I make myself from this conversation, I cannot take seriously a way that Filppula as a solid 2nd-line center making $3M per year at age 26 is worth trading, especially for what will have to amount to a 4th-5th defenseman.
So, let's get to the guys who are available that McKenzie mentioned:
Chris Phillips - Ottawa Senators: Age 32 Contract Status: UFA $3.5M 25 GP 0G 3 A -25
The biggest complaints about Phillips are about his head, not his ability. His rating is horrible on a horrible team, but like McKenzie says, maybe he just needs a change of scenery to turn into the second coming of Brad Stuart.
What we'd have to give up: Ericsson and Hudler
Risk/Reward: High/High - It's always tough judging the "needs a change of scenery" guys because for every Brad Stuart success, there's also been a Jiri Slegr. In his favor, Phillips is a 13-year NHL veteran who clearly knows how to play a shutdown role and physical defense. You are definitely giving up offense to get him, as he won't provide much of his own
Mark Stuart - Boston Bruins: Age 26 Contract Status: UFA 1.675M 29 GP 1G 3A +6
Yes, it would be funny to have two Stuart's on the back end... This one plays only 16:30 a night for Boston when he actually plays, but has been sidelined with a broken hand lately. He's not very good with the puck, but likes to play physical.
What we'd have to give up: Ericsson and Abdelkader (Abby's the only one of the three who makes enough to hit the dollar-for-dollar plateau)
Risk/Reward: Medium/Low - To get Stuart, we'd give up the lower-paid Ericsson and one of our better forecheckers. What we get back is a guy who's likely going to turn the puck over just as often as the defenseman he replaces.
Radek Martinek - New York Islanders: Age 34 Contract Status: UFA $1.5M 39 GP 1G 5A -5
A smart defenseman on the back end who can make good passes and knows when to pinch, Martinek has an injury history that reads like a sadistic doctor's fanfic. He's played more than 70 games only once in his career.
What we'd have to give up: Ericsson and Miller/Abdelkader/Eaves
Risk/Reward: High/Medium - If healthy, he can provide in a few different roles, but the problem is being healthy. Throwing away depth forwards likely isn't going to help here.
Steve Staios -Calgary Flames: Age 37 Contract Status: UFA 2.7M 15 GP 1G 1A -1
Staios is a veteran's veteran. He's been around the block a few times and will provide even more veteran experience and leadership. He knows how to play in all areas, but prefers his own zone. Unfortunately, he's a big injury risk and has missed time with head injuries each of the last two seasons.
What we'd have to give up: Ericsson and Hudler (Technically only Hudler for cap space, but we'd have too many D-Men then)
Risk/Reward: High/Medium - Staios is capable of playing defense very effectively, but unlike Phillips and Mark Stuart, he's likely not a good candidate for re-signing with Detroit to continue his career. On the bright side, making this trade would give the Wings $1M in cap space in case they want to go after a slightly pricier goalie to play backup to Howard.
Anton Babchuk - Calgary Flames: Age 26 Contract Status: UFA $1.4M 52 GP (Flames/Hurricanes) 6G 16A +1
Big, mean, and mistake-prone describes Babchuk. He doesn't eat big minutes with the Flames, but he's got offensive flair. His game still needs to round out in the defensive zone however and he would likely be as harshly scrutinized as Ericsson.
What we'd have to give up: Ericsson and Miller/Abdelkader/Eaves
Risk/Reward: Medium/Medium - At worst, what Detroit would be trading for here is a replacement for Ericsson who costs half-a-million more and forces the Wings to part with a depth forward to make space. If they had that extra cap space without having to give up a forward, I'd probably be ok with pulling the trigger (although I doubt Jay Feaster would).
Kurtis Foster - Edmonton Oilers: Age 29 Contract Status UFA in 2012 $1.8M 46 GP 3G 9A -11
Foster is three years older than Ericsson, but carries with him some of the same complaints, that he's a big guy who needs to learn to use his size better and that he makes too many mistakes in his own end.
What we'd have to give up: Ericsson and Abdelkader (I'm guessing here that it's close enough to dollar-for-dollar to somehow make it fit)
Risk/Reward: Medium/Low - Foster is paid twice as much, is three years older, and has scored fewer points than Ericsson in more games. Ericsson may be frustrating, but it looks like he's got a higher career potential. All we'd be gaining from losing two players for Foster is an extra year on his contract.
Brent Sopel - Atlanta Thrashers: Age 34 Contract Status: UFA $2.33M 52G 1G 5A +8
To be honest, I'm not sure why McKenzie said they're shopping him. They're currently in a playoff spot and I'm not sure why they'd get rid of him once Enstrom returns, since they had space for him before he went down. SBN's player profile page describes him as "somewhat injury prone". He can log big minutes, but, in what's becoming something of a trend for the big defenseman on this list, he apparently doesn't use his big frame enough to his advantage.
What we'd have to give up: Ericsson and Hudler
Risk/Reward: High/Low - I've never been very impressed with Sopel and his cost is far too high for what he brings to the table.
Carlo Colaiacovo - St. Louis Blues: Age 28 Contract Status: UFA in 2012 $2.125M 36 GP 4G 12A -12
The Blues aren't shopping their D yet and I doubt they would to a division rival, but if they fall out of the playoff race, who knows? Colaiacovo is a positionally smart defenseman who doesn't turn the puck over much and almost never gets beaten one-on-one. He has good sense to know when to join a rush and when to hang back. Unfortunately, he's another of the oft-injured types.
What we'd have to give up: Ericsson and Hudler
Risk/Reward: High/High - Colaiacovo isn't overpaid like Sopel, considering his skillset, but he's just in that bad pay area where you'd have to give up $3.775M in cap space to get back $2.125. Like I said about Staios, that could come in handy if Holland has a goaltending move in mind. I think he could put up good numbers in Detroit if he can stay healthy and aid the Wings' puck-movement style from the third pairing if need be. The price is just a bit high.
Ultimately, like I said above, I don't think the Wings need to make any of these moves, as the return of Brad Stuart and the beginning of the playoffs will help Detroit shore up their defense more than any roster moves. As a caveat though, I wasn't convinced the Wings needed to make any roster moves when they traded to get Brad Stuart back in 2007 and look how that turned out. If I had to pull the trigger on any of these moves, I'd probably take Phillips and roll the dice that the "change of scenery" wheels land on jackpot. I'd like to have Colaiacovo if possible, but the pay doesn't fit for what we'd have to give up unless there are other moves in the pipeline. Either way, I don't like the concept of dumping Hudler, who I am confident will have a good second half and playoff run, nor do I like the concept of dumping Miller, Eaves, or Abdelkader, the three depth guys that we've really come to rely on. If I had to get rid of one in a package deal with Ericsson, It would be Miller, but I don't like getting rid of any of them.
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Chris
Phillips makes the most sense. He is a vet and the Wings need some crease clearing space. I remember all last off-season we kept on talkign about aqurring garnet Exelby because we needed a crease clearer. Trade Huds and Ericsson and perhaps a draft pick for Phillips. A good chance he could re-sign with us next season, and if Nick retires we need another vet to step up and play big minutes for us
"Hey Jerry"
-Kramer
I don’t think we’d have to give up a draft pick along those two players to get Phillips. In fact, I’d almost wager that the Sens would owe us late-round pick to even that trade up a bit.
by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 2, 2011 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
An addendum on Souray
He’s currently in the minors and would have to clear re-entry waivers. If the Oilers put him there, he could be taken for $2.7M, but the intel suggests that the Oilers aren’t interested in keeping half his salary and the Wings would still have to make cap room.
The other question is how do the Wings get the Oilers to put him on waivers? I’m not sure you can trade a draft pick to a team for putting a guy through waivers so you can snap him up, because that’s against the spirit of what waivers are about in the first place.
If they got him for $2.7M, they’d have to trade people for draft picks. If they got him for a late-rounder and then put him through waivers and he got picked up, they’d have to clear cap space to make up for losing him. If they got him, put him through waivers, and they cleared, they’d have to clear the whole $5.4M
Bottom line, Souray’s either staying put, or being taken off waivers by a team with a worse record than Detroit, and that’s a good thing. I’m kind of on Souray’s side with the rift he had against the Oilers, considering lots of players have talked about how they don’t like it there, but there’s still the risk that he’s not a good personality fit for Babcock or the Wings.
by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 2, 2011 11:26 AM CST reply actions
The more I read your article...
The more I thought why even make a move? The Idea is to make the team better and with any of those guys you mentioned I don’t see it. What ever happened to Wade Redden? He was a guy I always thought would fit nicely and look good in a Winged Wheel jersey
Redden is in the AHL
After failing to live up to the ridiculously high standards that were placed upon him after he signed his ridiculously over-priced contract with the Rangers, they waived him and shipped him down to their AHL affiliate. The only way Redden gets any ice time during an NHL game before this contract expires is if he’s selected to do the “Shoot for Millions” game during an intermission.
Exactly
Redden is terribly overpaid and the Wings would have to move serious dollars to make space for him. That will keep him off an NHL roster for the season, even among teams that have the cap space already.
Also in reply to Mike above, I agree with the concept of why make a move at all? I don’t think anybody I listed is worth what we’d have to give up to fit him onto our roster under the cap.
by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 2, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
good article
very informative.
would like to see the wings get a better defenseman, either now of for the next year. assuming we stand pat this year, i’d gladly read your thoughts on free agents or who’s coming up through the farm system.
speaking of that, any hopes of improvement from within?
My understanding of the depth at the farm level is pretty limited
Before Brendan Smith’s injury (and probably still afterward), he’s like the top-rated defensive prospect as far as potential in the league once he gets there.
I think it mostly comes down to what Lidstrom does in the offseason as far as how big a defensive splash they’re going to make. There’s going to be some forward change, but I’m guessing most of the spending in this offseason will go towards goaltending and the blue line. There are a ton of UFA’s-to-be coming up, so I’ll probably wait until the offseason before tackling that giant list, just to see how many of them are still UFAs by the end of the season.
by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 2, 2011 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
not so good trade bait
Agreed that Detroit doesn’t need to make a move, but the trade bait listed here wouldn’t be very appetizing to other teams, anyway
Ericsson looks like he’s hit his ceiling and Hudler looks overpaid – an unfair assessment in both cases but trade value depends entirely on current perception. Maybe some GM out there would view them differently, I don’t know. And no team would touch Miller unless he was in a package deal.
Abdelkader and Eaves are the best values of this bunch but a team looking to dump salary and build for the future likely wouldn’t go after either since their contracts are up soon (Eaves a UFA this summer, Abby an RFA the next).
In other words, yes Detroit could survive without some of these players, but no rebuilding team would likely trade for them (Abdelkader may be the exception).
I also agree that trading Filppula at the deadline would be a bad idea, HOWEVER he’s a player other teams would actually want, so that makes him more likely than these other suspects. Detroit would have to get in return a top 4 d-man with a contract comparable to Fil’s (in cap hit and length), but as you imply, that’d be tough to swing.
I agree that we’d have to throw in picks in a few of these cases to sweeten the pot, but if you look at it as the players we cannot have on our roster as opposed to the players we have to offer back, it makes more sense from the Wings’ standpoint. It’s maybe more likely that we would trade Ericsson as well as a guy like Emmerton or Tatar (*shudder) to get some of these guys without packaging Miller, but fitting the guy into the lineup under the cap is going to cost Miller his spot anyway, so we’ve essentially lost his services.
It’s real tough to trade nowadays with the cap…
by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 2, 2011 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
I’m assuming nothing will happen, which is probably appropriate. The best “trade” we could make is to get a healthy Brad Stuart back and trade the new Kronwall for the old Kronwall. The only defenseman on that list that looks remotely attractive is Chris Phillips.
Rafalski’s contract really hampers any potential movement anyway. 6mil for that guy is scary (regardless of the # of assists he racks up), but at least there’s only one more year on his deal. Assuming Lidstrom returns for at least one more year, the problem with adding another top defenseman is that one of Kronwall, Stuart or Rafalski has to move to the bottom pair, which doesn’t seem like it would go over too well. The one guy I’d love to have is Andrei Markov and the Wings could buy low on him in the offseason. But for that to happen either Lidstrom would have to retire or Rafalski or Kronwall would have to be traded.
on Filpulla as trade material...
“I’m sorry, but if you believe this, I’m amazed you’ve been able to read this far down.”
awesome.
LMFAO
by PaulinMiamiBeach on Feb 2, 2011 1:38 PM CST reply actions
"...Mike Commodore (forget the cap hit, he hates Babcock)"
And I hate Mike Commodore. Or more generally I hate no talent hacks that don’t belong in the NHL.
No need to make a move. The only guy worth moving is Ericsson, but he’s cheap so they might as well keep him. Draper should be gone after this season and Miller is the only forward that I would move. Wings have Brendan Smith in their system who should be solid and Jakub Kindl looks to be a solid choice in the future too.
No moves....
I would hate to see Wings lose any of Eaves/Miller/Gator. And none of the possibilities listed seem worth the risk of even trading Big Red or Huds.
These all seem like trading one used car for another….better the one you know, than the possible mess with one you don’t.
I think Wings need to stay fairly pat until Lids makes his decision on playing another year because what will really be needed after he hangs up his skates is another great d-man like him (sigh, Shea Weber) then keep/trade around Nick’s replacement,.
Guys, I have it
We trade Abdelkader (hang in there, it’s worth it), Meech (YES!), Ericsson, Kosolov, and possibly Hudler for… SHEA WEBER.
It works from the looks of Cap Geek. We lose a Abdelkader, sure, but it’s the only way I think they’d even think about it. Kosolov is a decent prospect who’ll never see the light of day in our organization (but could be developed nicely under Trotz if he got called up, I think). Ericsson is… well, Ericsson. People still see potential in him so he’s valuable in a trade. Meech is thrown in as a filler and would just be money off the books for them at the end of the season. Hudler has the talent and, really, I just think he needs to be in a different system to make the most of it.
And we get Shea Weber who’d be our defenseman of the future once Lidstrom leaves.
We’d round out the season like this.
Holmstrom-Datsyuk-Zetterberg
Franzen-Filpula-Bertuzzi/Cleary
Helm-Modano-Bertuzzi/Cleary
Eaves-Draper-Miller
Lidstrom-Rafalski
Weber-Kronwall
Salei-Stuart
Howard
Osgood
It leaves us without a great 13th forward, but Tatar and Mursak aren’t bad players if an injury happens. They aren’t ready for the NHL yet, but they’re serviceable. Stuart gets crap minutes for the rest of the season, sure, but would be on the second pairing again when Lidstrom and/or Rafalski retire (and the top pairing becomes Kronwall/Weber).
Yes, I am obsessed with Weber.
Hahaha
I’d take this trade in a heartbeat if I didn’t know David Poille would rather shove a live starving ferret down his own pants than deal with the fan aftermath of trading Weber to Detroit.
by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 2, 2011 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
If Weber indicates he doesn’t want to resign, he may have no choice than to dump him. Look at the Thrashers last year with Kovulachuk. It was either lose him for nothing or get next to nothing for him and avoid any nastiness (i.e. Lebron) in the offseason. He’s up for arbitration this summer, I believe, and will be a UFA next summer (or something like that, I know he will be a UFA next summer)
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Feb 3, 2011 8:30 AM CST up reply actions
I’d love it if that were the case, but I just don’t see that happening. I’ve looked for any kind of a news story that would hint that this will happen and both sides are just an incredible job of saying the right things to the media. Either they’re locked down incredibly tightly, or it’s likely that Weber will follow the Nash footsteps of committing to be the cornerstone of the franchise.
I would assume that if Weber and Poille weren’t close on a new contract, we’d at least have heard something even resembling a rumor that Weber’s being shopped around.
My prediction: Weber will sign long-term with the Preds at a contract which mildly overpays him – something near $7-7.5M per season. This will lock him up and will look like a bargain by the time the contract is over.
by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 3, 2011 9:20 AM CST up reply actions
Puck Daddy, I believe, had an article or two on it a week or two ago and they specifically called out the Wings as potential suitors, saying our farm system is so valuable at this point that it might be able to get Weber for us (and that is why I included three highly touted prospects in my proposal. I wish we still had Leino or Ritolla, because we could easily include them instead of Abs.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Feb 3, 2011 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
Forgot to mention that that article is the only reason I know he’s a UFA next summer.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Feb 3, 2011 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
bleacher report
They have an article listing what each team may do at the deadline. The Detroit portion talks about them moving Eaves. Not Hudler, not Miller, not Ericsson… Just Eaves, there explanation is because he is a UFA at the end of the season and with 13 goals and 18 pts he will command a raise. Really? to what 850k?
You just got Kronwalled!
Ah, Bleacher Report
Always good for a laugh.
by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 3, 2011 4:02 PM CST up reply actions
Wow
Eric Brewer ($4.25M)
How the hell does stay-at-home defenseman with ONE career season on the right side of the +/- get that contract.
by Big Z in Orlando on Feb 3, 2011 2:41 PM CST reply actions
what to do, what to do
well i been checkin ur guys site for awhile and readin ur articles. Awesome job guys, love the insight you guys have, i think this is my 1st post. have to agree with most of you, dont think the wings need to be jumpy about tradin for another defenseman. But once again, if we get the whole team bck healthy, then were good to go I think. But hey if we can get away with a good deal on veteran defenseman or a young and up and coming one, roll the dice !
Kim Johnsson
Any status on Kim Johnsson?
If he’s recovered from concussion he would be cheap not require compensation and not have to go though waivers, and provide defense and some offense.

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