CSSI Analysis: Red Wings 4 - Maple Leafs 2
Detroit welcomed the last of the Original Six franchises they'd see this season into the Joe Louis Arena for a good old-fashioned Saturday night showdown and came away with something of a Pyrrhic victory. The 4-2 win they earned made them victors over each of the other five storied franchises, but they saw goaltender Jimmy Howard leave during the third period from an apparent shoulder injury suffered at the hands (or rather ass) of ex-Duck Joffrey Lupul. Seriously though, "Joffrey?" His parents must have been the kind of people who would take a "Q" in the final round of Wheel of Fortune. Idiots.
Despite being doubled up for chances, Detroit won the special teams battle, scoring on both of their chances while holding the Lebda-run [*snicker] Toronto power play unit off the boards in four tries. All-in-all, Detroit outshot Toronto 29-24, surrendering just four shots on goal during Toronto's man advantage time. After this, I'm just relieved to hear that this was Bill McCreary's last time ever calling a Red Wings' game at the Joe Louis Arena, especially after he allowed the second Toronto goal to stand after an obvious goaltender interference.
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Goalie Ratings
Jimmy Howard played about 7/9ths of this game before having to leave in favor of Joey MacDonald. Howard made three big saves during his time on ice, including a great job closing the five-hole on an early centering attempt tipped into him, then later on a Phaneuf slapper through traffic, and finally on a Kadri shot. His rating on the night is +3. Joey MacDonald came in to finish out the game after Howard's injury and stopped all seven shots he faced. He was only really tested on one shot, as he had to flash the glove very quickly on a shot from the slot and will get a +1 rating for it, but when you extend that out to an entire game's worth of play, the rating is very good.
Scoring and plus/minus analysis after the jump
The Goals1st Period 5:05 - Detroit Goal (PP): Henrik Zetterberg (backhand) from Nicklas Lidstrom and Jiri Hudler
Detroit gets a power play here thanks to some good offensive zone work by Tomas Holmstrom to bring the puck to the middle of the ice and force Joey Crabb to hook him. Holmstrom will get a plus for drawing this one. The Wings' power play gives up a scoring chance from the offensive zone as Brian Rafalski tries to hit Hudler cutting through the middle and instead sees the puck blocked by Tim Brent and taken by Mike Brown up ice for a 2-on-1 against Lidstrom. Raffi does a good job getting back and forcing Brown to the outside for a weak chance that Howard kicks to the far side boards. Zetterberg recognizes that two of the Leafs' penalty killers are caught up ice and whips around to throw a cross-ice pass to a streaking Hudler. Jiri brings it into the Leafs' zone and holds the puck while his team catches up to the play and to give Toronto the opportunity to overcommit to getting back. Once this happens, he goes to Lidstrom at the top of the umbrella with tons of space. The Wings' Captain fires a slap-pass to Zetterberg's stick in the bottom of the faceoff circle which Z redirects on net. Reimer stops the initial chance, but Zetterberg picks the puck up and throws a backhander through him. Rafalski is going to pull a half-minus on this play for the turnover. It would have been a full one, but I like the hustle getting back to help limit Brown's options. Zetterberg will get a plus and an assist on this play. The plus comes for recognizing the two Leafs are caught and immediately going up ice with it. The assist is for the tip on net. Cleary also gets the screener's assist, as he helps prevent Reimer from fully seeing the return shot.
Penalty Adjustment: 15:23 into the period, on a breakout play in the Toronto zone, Mikhail Grabovski tries to poke a puck past Brad Stuart as he tries to hold the zone. Stuart sweeps at the puck while off-balance, but also takes Grabovski's feet out from under him. This is an easy call to make and Brad Stuart will get a minus.
1st Period 17:56 - Toronto Goal: Nazem Kadri (wrist shot) from Joey Crabb
After the expiration of the Stuart penalty, the Leafs get the puck away from the Wings in their own zone. Crabb and Kadri head up ice with speed, forcing Rafalski and Kindl to give up the blue line. Crabb lays a drop pass to Kadri and moves to make room for him. Just as Kadri tries to center to the late man coming, Bertuzzi comes back on the play and checks his stick. The puck rolls to the boards where Kadri picks it back up off Crabb's stick. While Crabb runs interference on Bertuzzi at the top of the faceoff circle, Kadri uses this extra room given to him to fire a seeing-eye wrister over Kindl's laid-out stick that gets through a screened Howard on the short side. Bertuzzi will have his minus cleared on this play. It's kind of a fluke how the puck moves and it's unfortunate that Crabb runs a pick on him. He's playing good defense here. Zetterberg will also have his minus cleared, as he's in good position throughout the play. Kindl and Rafalski will each pick up an extra half-minus. Kindl needs to be in better position to block this shot and Rafalski needs to do a better job of clearing Darryl Boyce from the front. As for the room that Howard allows on the short side, he's looking around a good screen by the Leafs' winger here and Boyce knocks his glove right as the shot gets released, slowing Howard's ability to stop this shot just enough. Finally, Cleary keeps his minus for being the guy to turn the puck over in the zone, which leads to this rush. I like that he fought to get to the middle here, but he needs to get either a shot or a pass off and there wasn't sufficient evidence that he was illegally prevented from doing that.
Penalty Adjustment: Early in the 2nd period, Mike Brown carries in on Kindl and dumps it in to chase it down. Brown does a good job of helping the contact along, but Jakub definitely holds the guy up. Kindl will get a minus.
2nd Period 9:17 - Detroit Goal (PP): Tomas Holmstrom (tip in) from Niklas Kronwall and Brian Rafalski
Mike Modano draws a penalty near the halfway point of the game as he intercepts a Joffrey Lupul pass and threatens to break into the Leafs zone all by himself unless Lupul hooks him, which of course he does. Modano gets a plus for drawing the penalty here. On the power play, Modano and Filppula do good work to retrieve a lost faceoff deep in the Leafs' zone. after some good cycling to move the defenders around, Mikey Mo finds Filppula with a cross-ice pass for a one-timer that Reimer just gets his pad on to kick it to the corner. Modano picks up the rebound and resets high in the zone to Kronwall, who goes to Rafalski as the Wings transition into the umbrella. Rafalski goes back to the top of the set-up where Kronner throws a wrister from the center of the point that Holmstrom gets his stick on for a tip-in around Reimer. Both Modano and Filppula will get assists here for their work deep in the zone and then on the cycle to move the penalty killers around, making room for the shot that eventually gets through.
Penalty Adjustment (x2): Two second-period penalties here that are separated by fewer than three minutes on the clock, but more than 20 real-time minutes here, as an odd glass break causes the referees to call the intermission with 2:01 left in the 2nd period. The first penalty comes as Helm tries to gain the Toronto zone and loses the puck. He tries to poke it away from an on-rushing Darryl Boyce, but gets his stick caught between the legs and brings the Leaf down. Helm will get a minus. Later in the period, 50 seconds after the expiration of the Helm penalty, Hudler goes to the box for an accidental high stick on Kessel. Ordinarily, I wouldn't blame somebody for trying to rearrange Phil Kessel's ugly mug, but this one puts the Wings shorthanded and so Hudler will get a minus.
3rd Period 6:11 - Toronto Goal: Joffrey Lupul (wrist shot) from Phil Kessel and Dion Phaneuf
This play starts as Helm tries to hit Draper cutting through center ice but sees his pass picked off by Phil Kessel at center ice. Kessel brings it back in through center and feeds to Phaneuf cutting in on the wing. The Leafs' captain tries to get a shot on goal, but Kronwall blocks it in the circle. From here, Draper picks it up and tries to pass behind his own net off the boards to Ericsson. A combination of a bad pass by Draper and a slow reaction by Ericsson leads this puck past Big Rig's stick and onto Phaneuf's stick on the half-boards. Phaneuf pushes it into the slot for Kessel, who gets a shot on goal as Lupul runs into Howard. Draper tries to clear Lupul here and he of the palindromic last name uses the slight contact to complete his tackle right onto Howard's shoulder. The puck bounces off the mass of hockey player in front and Lupul somehow gets his stick on it from the ice and sweeps it in for a game-tying goal that definitely should not have counted. Still, since it did, I might as well score it. First off, Helm will get a minus for the turnover. Before the goal is scored, he had changed for Zetterberg, who had very little to do with this play. Zetterberg will not get a minus. Draper will get an extra minus for the turnover while Ericsson will get an extra half-minus for not reacting quicker to receive the pass. Holmstrom is the other forward on the ice and, like Zetterberg, came on too late to affect this play. Homer will not get a minus. Finally, Kronwall keeps his minus here. I like the shot block on Phaneuf and it's a tough play to make, but he has to recognize faster that Kessel is his man. If he jumps on Kessel earlier, perhaps Frankenstein doesn't get that shot on goal.
3rd Period 6:49 - Detroit Goal: Jiri Hudler (slap shot) from Henrik Zetterberg
Less than a minute after the Lupul goal, Detroit pulls away again as the three Wings forwards, Hudler, Zetterberg, and Cleary pressure the puck in the Toronto end. Zetterberg hits Schenn deep in the zone and makes him try to force a pass up to Clarke MacArthur exiting the zone that Hudler pokes back in. Kulemin picks it up, but finds immediate pressure from Cleary and, in trying to force another pass to MacArthur throws the puck away to Zetterberg in the neutral zone. Hank fires it to Hudler moving back across the Leafs' momentum as he enters the zone. Hudler carries to the top of the faceoff circle and blasts a slap shot past Reimer's catching glove for the eventual game-winner. Cleary will get a half-assist in helping to force the turnover which leads to this goal. All three forwards, Zetterberg, Cleary, and Hudler will get bonus pluses for their forechecking work in making this play happen.
3rd Period 19:08 - Detroit Goal (EN): Todd Bertuzzi (wrist shot) from Niklas Kronwall
With Reimer pulled for the extra skater, the Leafs press to tie the game up. Luke Schenn gets the puck at the point and tries to blast it through traffic, but fails to get it past the man covering the point, Kronwall. The puck bounces off Kronwall's leg and to Bertuzzi, who is fresh off throwing two big body-checks low in his own zone. Bert skates it up ice with Ken Daniels excitedly screaming about how he's smart enough to get it over the center line before firing at the open net to ice the game. Kronwall will get an extra half-plus for the perfect shot block.
Bonus Ratings
+1.5 to Nicklas Lidstrom: Lidstrom had a fantastic game all-around. Combine the great all-around play with the fact that he perfectly broke up a 3-on-1 Toronto rush and he gets more than just a simple plus.
+1 to Jonathan Ericsson: What started as semi-sarcastic jibes at the Wings' defenseman became sincere praise for the man who played more than 23 minutes and did much better than simply holding his own. Ericsson was very well-involved in this game in breaking up rushes.
-1 to Brad Stuart: Stuart didn't play poorly, but he had four giveaways and was the primary reason Nick Lidstrom even had to defend a 3-on-1 rush. Too many poor decisions with the puck in this game.
+1 to Todd Bertuzzi: In his first game back from missing the last two with back spasms, Bertuzzi looked like a rejuvenated man. He was moving very well all over the ice and doing a great job on the back check.
+1 to Brett Lebda: Brett Lebda did more to help the Red Wings win this game than he has in the last two seasons. Kudos to the former Golden-Domer.
+1 to Justin Abdelkader: Aside from delivering six hits, I liked Abdelkader fighting Boyce after a cheap shot on Rafalski. I know I've said that I hate when players have to fight after delivering good checks, but Boyce's hit wasn't a good check. Good on Abby for punching him.
Honorable Mentions: I really like the pairing of Modano and Filppula together. They work off each other so well both offensively and defensively. I didn't feel like they did anything particularly outstanding enough to earn bonus pluses for general play, but they came very close. Also, even though I gave him a plus, I'd really like to see Abdelkader make better decisions on odd-man rushes.
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Nice work as always, JJ
I was one of the people making sarcastic comments about Rig, but he was the Wings second-best D-man after TPH. Even his extra half-minus on the Lupul goal was him staying an extra second too long covering Howard’s right side at the bottom of the circle, and Draper just blind-whipped that backhand behind the net before Rig could get down to cover.
I could live with him making a few mistakes as a result of him being TOO responsible in his own end!
Here's some anaylsis from a Ducks fan
How is Nicklas Lidstrom the favorite for the Norris when he is a minus 2 and has less points than Visnovsky on a better Wings team? Visnovsky is a plus 12 and has 61 points on a so called “bubble team”… But again the NHL will reward it to him based on reputation…. sigh
by camfowlerisaboss on Mar 27, 2011 9:57 AM CDT reply actions
How about the fact that Vis carries the team on his shoulders and plays the most minutes against the opponent’s top line. You guys are all uptight and think Lidstrom should win because he broke up a 3 on 1? Okay Lidstrom is the better D man and Hall of fame class act, but the fact is Lubo is more valuable to his team and has effectively shut down guys like Ovi or Kane and Toews.
by camfowlerisaboss on Mar 27, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Sounds like he might be your teams best defensemen or MVP, but that doesn’t immediately make him better than 90% of the defensemen in the NHL. Lubo is fitting in more with the Mike Green-type of Norris candidate than he is the “best defensemen” category. He’s someone who has amazing offensive statistics for a defensemen, but not really someone with consistently above average defense in high-pressure, high-quality opponent situations.
That said, I have always like Lubo, but think any injection of him into the Norris candidate discussion is just that – an addition to the discussion. It’ll be hard to justify his winning of it considering many other worthy candidates. (For one, there is no way in hell Lubo would finish above Shea Weber in a vote for the Norris. I guarantee it)
The thing about Lidstrom is that it isn’t just breaking up one 3-on-1, its breaking up every odd man rush where he’s the “1”. When a Red Wings fan sees a 2-on-1 develop for the other team, no matter who the two offensive players are on the other team, our first thought is “Is that Lidstrom?”. If it is, we stop worrying. We know nothing will come of it because he is that much of a defensive genius. I doubt you can definitively say the same thing for Visnovsky or most other d-men in the league. And that’s why Lidstrom has 6 Norris trophies and is widely regarded as the best defensive player of his time.
by hockeytownwest on Mar 28, 2011 5:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Because there is more to the game of hockey than stats?
Lidstrom broke up a 3-on-1 effortlessly last night. There is no stat for that. And this isn’t a one time thing, he’s constantly doing stuff like that on a nightly basis. The Norris trophy isn’t “who among defensemen scores the most points” it’s “who is the best all-around defensemen”.
Plus/minus doesn’t tell a whole story either…it’s more of a line stat than an individual stat. One player may be doing everything right, but if the rest of his line screws up there can be many undeserved minuses in your back pocket. And that has been the case quite often this year
Because his peers said so
He was rated 2nd-toughest D-man to play against in an SI players poll at the All-Star break, behind Chara. He ALWAYS plays against the opponent’s top line, and is also one of the leaders in PK time-on-ice.
Living in SoCal, I watch a lot of Ducks games on Fox Sports West. Cannot deny that Vis is a great offensive talent, but he is not even close to Lidstrom in defensive ability. It’s not just about the points, pal……sigh
by Coyotepedro on Mar 27, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Lidstrom is a -1
Visnovsky is used consistently in offensive-only situations.
I don’t like the concept of rewarding a defenseman who doesn’t play defense.
by J.J. from Kansas on Mar 27, 2011 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
For further analysis
I’d suggest heading to Behindthenet.ca where you’ll see the difference in the quality of competition that Lidstrom faces against what Visnovsky is trusted to do.
I’d also look at the 9 seconds of penalty kill time per game with which Visnovsky is trusted.
Don’t get me wrong, Lubomir Visnovsky deserves to be in the Norris conversation, but if you’re only looking at points and plus/minus, you’re only seeing what you want to see. Lidstrom is a better defenseman.
by J.J. from Kansas on Mar 27, 2011 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
You mean the PP? you don’t get a plus for scoring on the PP. Shouldn’t you know that?
by camfowlerisaboss on Mar 27, 2011 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
The Norris doesn’t go to the “most talented” defensemen, it goes to the one who has been the best for his team that season. All you guys are saying is that Lubo plays in only offensive situations, which isn’t true and that plus/ minus is overrated.
by camfowlerisaboss on Mar 27, 2011 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
So with that leap of logic
Being incredible defensively and only 3rd(?) best offensively isn’t the best for his team? Visnovsky’s quality of competition is far lower than Lidstrom’s, his Quality of Teammates is the highest in the league, his PK time is so low that it’s almost negligible. Visnovsky is being put on the ice in very favorable situations for him and his defensive role is nowhere near the burden of Lidstrom’s. And that’s fine. But the Norris is for all around defensemen. There should be a Bobby Orr trophy for the best offensive defenseman, and Visnovsky would win that. There is a reason Mike Green does not have a Norris Trophy.
+/- is a bad stat. By that stat, Johnathon Ericsson, who very well may be the worst player on the Wings’ active roster, is better than the best defenseman of this generation. It penalizes/rewards entire groups of players for what is often the mistake of one.
Actually
the Norris is for best defenseman, not most valuable defenseman.
Lidstrom is a better defenseman. He should win the Norris.
by J.J. from Kansas on Mar 27, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
More specifically!
“defense player who demonstrates throughout the season the greatest all-round ability in the position”
I hate this argument
He’s a defenseman not a forward. And he constantly plays against the other team’s top units, plus the bulk of the penalty kill. Plus/minus is a worthless statistic in gauging defensive capability unless it’s extreme one way or the other (+39, -17, etc.). Lidstrom has been hovering around even all year. Scoring more points does not make you better at defense.
I think they should make a new trophy for “best offensive defenseman” as a compliment to the Selke and distinguish the less defensively sound guys from the Norris candidates.
Back off man, I'm a scientist
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Which exists because +/- is a criminally flawed stat. Feel free to look up quality of competition faced, PK TOI, CORSI, etc on behindthenet.ca for actual defensive statistics. You’ll notice that Visnovsky isn’t in the same breath as Lidstrom defensively.
Even if you are correct, it's only fair
He was the best defenseman for several years but only a runner up because “he didn’t hit enough” and last year he wasn’t even nominated because the voters took the top three scorers and chose those. Has Mike Green (when healthy) looked like a Norris Trophy defenseman this year? Byfuglien? How about the other players in the conversation, have they had more than a hot streak here and there?
Lidstrom is the best defenseman in the NHL. He plays in all situations, can still handle heavy minutes, has the complete trust of his coach and teammates, makes mistakes so rarely that it is shocking to see, shuts down all the toughest offensive players, and rarely takes a penalty because his defensive positioning is exemplary. There is a reason why stunningly talented offensive players often “just have a bad game” when they play Detroit, and a big part of that is the man in red and white who wears a number five.
Visnovsky is excellent and should have gotten more attention all through his career, actually. But he isn’t a better all-around defenseman than Nick Lidstrom. He just isn’t.
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I agree Lisdtrom is better than Visnovsky, I just think that he deserves the Norris this year… Well could convo :)
by camfowlerisaboss on Mar 27, 2011 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
No... not really. IF the voters looked at only the stats we usually see, then probably. But it's much more than the superficial stats.
How can you give a guy a Norris Trophy when he plays 25 seconds of penalty killing per game? The only D-man that has less on Anaheim is Cam Fowler. His PK time is most likely due to when other top defensive D-men are in the box, so he has to PK. If you are looking just at +/-… well he should be even higher playing with the best line in hockey. Lidstrom doesn’t even usually play with Detroit’s top forward unit (Datsyuk), because he’s playing with Zetterberg on the shutdown unit. If he was playing with Datsyuk’s line, he’d be tops among the D-men in +/- instead of Rafalski/Ericsson who are terrible defenders. +/- really means nothing. The only way you will have a high +/- now is if you play consistently with the best offensive lines in the game (like Getzlaf/Perry/Ryan). Nothing to do with how well you are defensively.
Then look at the other front runner for the Norris. Keith Yandle. He plays 45 seconds of PK per game. That’s nothing. That’s just a shift here and there. Lidstrom plays 2:42 of PK/game. Lidstrom would probably play more, but Babcock is trying to save him for the playoffs… so he tries to spread it out a bit.
How can they even consider giving Lubo or Yandle the Norris when they don’t do the most important job of a defenseman… PLAY DEFENSE. Nick Lidstrom is considered the best D-man of the generation and possibly best ever or second best to Orr, not because he puts up a ton of points, but because he is a great DEFENDER on top of being a great offensive player. Obviously Lubo and Yandle’s coaches don’t think too highly of their defensive abilities if they don’t kill penalties. It’s a cake job as a defenseman if you don’t have to kill penalties.
Jeffrey > Joffrey
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by JeffHancock41 on Mar 27, 2011 10:51 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
LMAO at the Lebda +1
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I think that's the first time all year he's had a plus rating
by RandomWingsDude on Mar 27, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Btw what do Wings fans think of now Duck Andreas lilja?
by camfowlerisaboss on Mar 27, 2011 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Not really sure
I meant to keep better track of him this year than I have.
Guy was an absolute train wreck for a while in Detroit, good for at least one turnover that led to a great opposition scoring chance per game, but playing up until Shea Weber one-punched him and after he came back (a year later), he had become an incredibly solid d-man capable of running a PK unit all by himself. I would have liked to have seen him come back, but he was simply asking for too much money from the Wings for the role in which they would have used him. Overall, a great 5th-6th D-man for the right price.
How would you say he’s done in Anaheim this season?
by J.J. from Kansas on Mar 27, 2011 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
He’s been awesome on the PK and maybe one bad turnover every five games but bad plus minus
by camfowlerisaboss on Mar 29, 2011 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
screwed over by his agent and expectations
He wanted more than the Red Wings could afford to spend, unfortunately. Really nice guy though and I felt bad he seemed to price himself right out of the market.
I also haven’t kept good track of him, but he wasn’t a bad bottom pairing defenseman, and had become a solid PKer and extremely good shot-blocker. Toronto would have been better off paying him than Lebda, actually, even for the same contract they might have been better off.
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"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
The last guy I wanted with the puck in playoff OT.
Exhibit A of that would be an OT winner in 2007 where Selanne took the puck in front of the net and Lilja may as well have had the primary assist.
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Jimmy report...
Accrording to Ansar Khan, Jimmy has a sprained left shoulder with MRI showing no damage. He is listed day-to-day and is confident he’ll play in some games before the playoffs….he hopes Wednesday with St Louis…may be over optimistic. Wings called up McCollum…here’s link.
We can breathe again, and thank Hockey Gods for this one.
by wingsluver4ever on Mar 27, 2011 4:00 PM CDT reply actions
PS Mule...
Says he’s ready to go tomorrow against Hawks.
by wingsluver4ever on Mar 27, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Good news
I have a sneaky feeling J-Mac is going to backstop us to victory against the Hawks….but my feelings are a little to sneaky for my liking

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