Let The Battle Begin: WCSF: Red Wings at Sharks (Game 1)
Hey, remember that time the Wings played an actual NHL playoff game?
Me either, mostly because I am getting older and the memory is not quite what it used to be. For those that can't recall, it has been exactly 9 days since the Wings dispatched the Phoenix Coyotes to the golf course, and a lot has changed in that time. Here's what we've seen occur since the Wings last played a game:
- Gas was less than $4.00 a gallon (at least in my area)
- No one outside of Hawaii State Government employees had ever seen a copy of President Obama's birth certificate.
- Steve Carrell was still a cast member of The Office.
- The Blackhawks were still the "defending Stanley Cup Champions" in more than name.
- Prince William was still a fun-loving, happy-go-lucky bachelor.
Crazy, eh? It's to the point that I am going to call the first round for the Wings "the good ol' days". However, after a long, long layoff, the Wings are back in action and ready to take the next step towards #12.
Follow the jump for the preview, questions on the series and prediction form.
There are previews upon previews out there, and if you're like me, you know the stats. You know what happened last year between these teams, and you know what these teams did against each other in the regular season. Rather than bore you with regurgitated numbers before this series, let's look at 5 Burning Questions that I think will determine whether the Wings win or lose.1. Can the Wings contain Joe Thornton?
I know what you're thinking: the Wings have to worry about Jumbo Joe as a threat even though the calendar reads April/soon to be May? Normally I'd say "no", but looking back at what he's done against the Wings in the last year, he's a genuine concern. Dating back to the beginning of last year, Thornton has 18 points in 13 games against the Wings, including 8 in the 5 playoff games last year. While we laugh at his lack of playoff success, he's been a big reason why the Sharks have beaten the Wings 7 out of the last 9 meetings. He's a big body who is skilled, and the Wings will look to keep him in check. Keep in mind, shutting down Thornton also means that Heatley is nullified, so it's like killing 2 birds with 1 stone (but not with a car, just so we're clear).
2. Can the Wings solve Antti Niemi?
Headed into Game 7 between the Blackhawks and Canucks, Wing fans knew that they were going to see either the Sharks or Predators. Those are two vastly different teams, but what they both have is a Finnish goalie who seems to play his best against the Wings. Antti Niemi did not have a stellar first round against the Kings, but if history is any indication, he's going to be very good against the Wings. In his career, he is 5-1-1 against the Wings with a 2.05 GAA and .932 SV%. However, he gave up about 4 goals per game and his SV% was .863 against the Kings. From my own observations and from speaking to Sharks fans, a big issue with Niemi is rebound control (sound familiar?). The Wings made one of the top goalies in the NHL look pretty bad in the last series by pouncing on rebounds and getting (legal) traffic in front. Niemi may have enjoyed some success against the Wings in the past, but as Ilya Bryzgalov found out, regular season Detroit is a very different animal than playoff Detroit.
3. Will the rest help or hurt the Wings?
The old "rest vs rust" factor. Personally, I think the rest was crucial to the Wings having a sustained playoff run. If this were an inexperienced, young team, I'd be concerned with the time off because of the potential loss of momentum. However, the Wings know that at this time of year, anytime you can get some time to rest the bumps and bruises that have accumulated over the course of an 82 game regular season and first round of the playoffs, you take it. We may see the Wings need a few minutes of Game 1 to get their legs under them, but one of the biggest reasons why they lost last year was because they had no downtime after their series against the Coyotes.
4. Will the Wings improve their penalty killing?
If there was one area where the Wings were lacking in their first round series, it was their penalty kill. Of the 10 goals they gave up, 6 were on the PK, and if the refs are going to call the series the way they did last year (dear God I hope not) then the Wings will have to be better when down a man. While we like to complain about the refs around here, some of the penalties the Wings took in the first round were either lazy or dumb, and against a team that is as talented offensively as the Sharks are, the Wings can not afford to give them any free opportunities.
5. How big is the return of Henrik Zetterberg?
Huge. The fact the Wings were able to sweep a good Phoenix team without the services of their team MVP this year should have served notice to the rest of the NHL that the Wings are a team that is a legitimate contender for the Cup yet again. His return takes a ton of pressure off of Pavel Datsyuk both offensively and defensively, as the Wings now have their 1A/1B set of centers to go against either of the Sharks' top two lines. Of course, Mike Babcock could completely throw us all off and put the Euro Twins back together, as was the case at practice yesterday. Regardless of who Zetterberg plays with, his presence in the lineup gives the Sharks a big problem in that they have one more superstar to gameplan for. Combine this with the return to almost full health of Johan Franzen and the Wings are about as healthy as they've been since the season began.
We'll have more info on the lines as we get updates from practice. As of this writing, it looks like Mike Modano and Kris Draper are the two healthy scratches, but you never know. Question for the group: which of the 5 questions is the one you think is most important to a Wings' series victory? Or is it something else?
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You forgot 1...
…the Detroit Lions only had half the best D-line in the NFL.
Dancing Datsyuk Decidedly Dazzles Dainty Defensemen
by Robocop on Apr 29, 2011 6:17 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs
Brother In Law says...
The Lions D-Line now could literally tear apart people now. Its gonna be a good year to be a Lions Delineman
Nick Fairley is the perfect complement to Suh.
Fairley is lazy, whereas Suh brings it every play. The yin to one another’s yang.
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by Ricardo Efendi on Apr 29, 2011 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
4-2 Detroit, Cleary player of the game.
You also forgot to mention that 500 tornadoes touched down since we last played.
that was nuts
I live down in NW Georgia. I’ve never been in a hour and a half tornado warning before. Luckily the worst thing in my neighborhood was a couple broken branches, and some overturned garbage cans
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by rock n rye on Apr 29, 2011 8:54 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
we got a ton of tornadoes in Virginia. 13 people died in one town in far SW VA
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by Casey Richey on Apr 29, 2011 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions
It was unnerving when the siren went off at Tech
esp. since it was like 12 at night and you couldn’t see very much outside.
I'm a Homer
yeah. I couldn’t hear the siren from my apartment but definitely saw the storms. I felt bad because it got really bad at one point and I went to wake my roommate up. By the time he got up to look out the window, it had died down. whoops.
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by Casey Richey on Apr 29, 2011 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I did that once. Only in different ways. I had a tornado siren ringtone on my old LG rumor phone. when I was at CMU, I strapped it under my roommates bed and used it as an alarm at 3:00am. He freaked. Ran into the basement of our dorm in nothing but his underwear and turned to see me (he dragged me out too) laughing my ass off as I hit the button on the phone to make it sound like a siren again.
Karma’s a bitch, though. He froze my shoes in the freezer the next day after he dumped kool-aid in them and used tooth picks to make a nasty homemade popsicle. I miss those shoes.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Apr 29, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
hahahaha
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by Casey Richey on Apr 29, 2011 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Just a note, Thornton and Heatley have played on different lines this year. Heatley plays on the second line with Logan Couture and Ryane Clowe. Either way though, shutting down Thornton is always a good way to limit the scoring from his linemates (Marleau and Setoguchi).
The other way to stop Setoguchi
is to take away his diving board.
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by Ricardo Efendi on Apr 29, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Classy.
"You can't stop him, you can only hope to contain Kent Huskins!" - Randy Hahn 2/13/11
by pooponastick on Apr 29, 2011 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
3-2 Detroit: Datsyuk
Teams spend a good bit of the first feeling each other out again and four of the goals in this game are scored on the PP.
by J.J. from Kansas on Apr 29, 2011 7:05 AM CDT reply actions
#1 and #6
Containing the two Joe’s seems like the biggest challenge to me. All Wings fans know what a monster Joe Pavelski was last year. That guy is the total opposite of Thornton in the playoffs (at least from a reputation standpoint). It’s going to be a brutal series but if the Wings can STAY OUT OF THE BOX we should be heading to the Conference Finals.
4-0 Detroit
Z POTG
Start the series off right. Draper is probably more important that Mo, just because of his history with the team. Both are very capable and will be ready to play if needed.
I'm a Homer
3-2 San Jose
First game back after a long break, SJ will push play early to get the Wings on their heels. We’ll make it a game but not enough to win it.
It's been too long
Would love to see the Wings dominate this one and set the tone. I love that all the “analysts” are picking the Sharks, Great… Look what happened when they picked the Yotes. all these “pundits” saying how will Detroit fare against an “elite” team? Well… #@%$ heads, Detroit is the ELITE team. let just look back at the last 20 seasons and see how Detroit has fared against the “elite” teams. Sure there are a few let downs, but I don’t see it this year. Not with this hunger. Let’s hope that history repeats itself, last year wasn’t history it was a fluke. A throw away year, this is the real history of the series.

You just got Kronwalled!
by DeathtotheHawks on Apr 29, 2011 8:05 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
did you create this?
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by Casey Richey on Apr 29, 2011 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions
I found something similar
floating around, it was bad quality so I remade it using parts of the original and parts of a Bob Ross and Thornton pic. Don’t worry i have a new Hulktuzzi made as well
You just got Kronwalled!
by DeathtotheHawks on Apr 29, 2011 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions
this is pretty fantastic is all i'm getting at.
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by Casey Richey on Apr 29, 2011 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Thats what procrastination at work gets you
You just got Kronwalled!
by DeathtotheHawks on Apr 29, 2011 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions
There are only a couple picking the Wings,
but when they to they attribute it to a team that literally can’t be stopped.
I'm a Homer
Most importantly
Jeremy Roenick picked the Yotes and was dead wrong, now he picked the Sharks. Let’s prove him wrong again. Look at the teams he played for (CHI, PHX, PHI, SJ) Hmmmm… wonder why he always picks against us? I hope he cries at the end of this series too, just for different reasons
You just got Kronwalled!
by DeathtotheHawks on Apr 29, 2011 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Wings Win...JR cries again? Sounds like a win-win situation to me.
by SlapshotGoal on Apr 29, 2011 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Haha! I’m a Jumbo fan but that is pretty hilarious!
Waiting for the Cup to come to SJ since 1991...
GO SHARKS!
by winthecupsj on Apr 29, 2011 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
That’s a pretty sweet picture.
Proud member of the "Bring Back Semenov" Club
"The only crying allowed in hockey is when you lose a playoff series, retire or JR is speaking publicly." - Jamie Baker
"You are down with the homies, my friend." - Randy Hahn
Kent Huskins cares.
Bob Ross is the best...
This is an insult to Bob Ross (best stoner entertainment since midnight put-put)
Stupid school has kept me away from the blog for a while
but ahhhhhhhhhh hockey time again. Sadly, I’LL BE AWAY FROM TONIGHT’S GAME, TOO.
Solving Niemi is the biggest thing I think. The Wings have had trouble with him this year and although the Sharks’ offense is capable of putting goals up, if the Wings solve Niemi they can outscore them. But, a solid defensive performance would be grand.
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I have commencement tomorrow morning...
that I have to be up for at 6am…which really blows with this game not ending until 1ish…I am not skipping the game, but I am concerned I will be falling asleep during the ceremony. Stupid world…it really should stop making things so difficult during the playoffs lol
by HockeyGuy9125 on Apr 29, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions
everyone fell asleep during my commencement speaker last year. She was Obama’s economic advisor last year. I think she has since been fired or asked to leave.
I'm a Homer
I have no idea who Tech's is this year.
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by Casey Richey on Apr 29, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I remember when...
Obama was in Kalamazoo for one of the commencements either last year or the year before and they had shown pics of students falling asleep. Been a while since mine, but I dont remember peers falling asleep through ours, the all-night party was awesome though, ended up getting like $50 playing blackjack lol
3-1 Detroit, Zetterberg
Howard stands tall as the Sharks open the onslaught of offensive pressure, but the Red Wings pull out their old habit of turning it up later as the game wears on. the last round against the Coyotes made me a believer: there is a so-called “switch.” now they just need to find it for the PK. this is not the same Red Wings team that went 3-1 against the Sharks this regular season; this team is better.
i really think the key to this series is Antti Niemi. he had his moments, but he was overall pretty atrocious against a Kings team missing its leading scorer. while i think the Red Wings forward depth is better, the offense will overall be a wash just based on personnel. rest vs. rust will only matter in Game 1, and while it’s good to set the tone and not get behind early in the series, there’s no way either side wins or loses the series tonight. i also think that the PK, even if it is as bad as it was against Phoenix, won’t be that significant because either the Red Wings won’t take as many penalties or they won’t give up as many power play goals (one or the other). Phoenix might not have had the personnel that San Jose does, but something has to be said for the fact that Detroit absolutely dominated that series 5-on-5. overall, it won’t really matter too much how many pucks San Jose can put behind Howard if Niemi keeps finding more behind his own goal line, so i think Niemi is the key to this series.
4-3 Wings, Pavel POTG
I think I’ll just leave this as my daily pick until mid-June
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by rock n rye on Apr 29, 2011 8:56 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
when Jimmy will be smiling.
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by Casey Richey on Apr 29, 2011 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
My question:
Can the Wings figure out how to respond to McLellan’s (sp?) genius at special teams?
we KNOW the fish will be diving. Unfortunately, that is a successful strategy in today’s NHL, as the refs tend to base their call on the “result” and not the actual act. So, the wings had best have the PK rocking and a good PP if they want to crack through SJ’s PK.
My other, more optimistic question is in response to #2. Can the wings solve Nittymaki? Because they will chase Niemi right out of the series before the end of the weekend, forcing them to adapt to a new goalie.
by Red, White and a Mile high on Apr 29, 2011 9:17 AM CDT reply actions
OH NO, I SLEPT THROUGH THE ROYAL WEDDING?!?!?!
I am so glad that shit is finally over with….ok sorry, rant over.
I think Detroit and San Jose split the first two games of the series…we NEED a better penalty kill, because its going to be a frustrating series if we A) start receiving two minute penalties for getting hit in the face with a stick again and B) cannot kill any of those off. Niemi is a concern…but at this point in the playoffs…every goalie is a concern. I think we will see a middle road between his performance against the Wings overall and his performance against LA… Jimmy Howard HAS to be as consistent as he was against Phoenix and cannot give up the weak goals that doomed the Red Wings last season.
I will be satisfied with a split in the first two games (less so if win G1 and lose G2, but more so if we lose G1 and win G2)…I will be pissed if we lose the first two, and ecstatic if we get out of there with two wins.
I think the Wings win tonight 4-2…it would make this series much more winnable if they can take one of the first two on the road…and it would be much easier on me if they take game 1
I think the PK is going to be the key
Niemi be damned, Detroit’s got the firepower to stand toe-to-toe with anyone and trade punches. However, to continue the analogy, PK’s are pretty much where you drop the gloves (not in the good way) and invite a haymaker.
Think about how stupid the average person is, and then realize that half of them are even stupider! --George Carlin
I do have to say
They are being very classy over at FTF. exactly opposite of how SCH is.
so I say, GOOD LUCK SAN JOSE!!
you will need it.

You just got Kronwalled!
by DeathtotheHawks on Apr 29, 2011 10:31 AM CDT reply actions 7 recs
3-2 Detroit, Darren Helm
Helm spends the game playing like the one-man rodeo he did in round 1.
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Apr 29, 2011 10:35 AM CDT reply actions
It's almost like Christmas, having Red Wing hockey back :)
I’m just so damn excited for tonight with nothing but high hopes BUT wtf? with the 10 pm start?? I was banking on a 10:30 start so that, when I get out of work at 10, I would be able to get home with enough time to change out of my work clothes and grab a beer and not miss a thing. Sigh…
I don’t care what all the “experts” are saying, they also predicted that the coyotes would take us to 7 games, and some of them also predicted that the coyotes would win, and most of them said Bryz would be our undoing. That’s the beauty of the playoffs. NO ON FUCKING KNOWS WHAT THE HELL IS GOING TO HAPPEN! that being said, my confidence lies with the Red Wings. LGRW!!
Christmas, indeed!
between easter, my birthday, and red wings playoff hockey, it’s my favorite time of year.
they all happen in the same month!!!
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Apr 29, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Ok, so someone on Yahoo is posting jokes about the Sharks. They’re generic and can be used with any team, but that doesn’t make them any less hilarious.
A first grade teacher explains to her class that she is a San Jose Sharks fan. She asks her students to raise their hands if they were Sharks fans, too. Not really knowing what a Sharks fan was, but wanting to be like their teacher, hands explode into the air. There is, however, one exception. A girl named Mary has not gone along with the crowd. The teacher asks her why she has decided to be different. “Because I’m not a Sharks fan.” “Then,” asks the teacher, “what are you?” “Why I’m proud to be a Detroit Red Wings fan.”, boasts the little girl. The teacher is a little perturbed now, her face slightly red. She asks Mary why she is a Red Wings fan. “Well, My Dad and Mom are Red Wings fans, and I’m a Red Wings fan, too!” The teacher is now angry. “That’s no reason,” she says loudly. “What if your mom was a @#$%, and your dad was a @#$%, What would you be then?” A pause, and a smile. “Then,” says Mary, “I’d be a Sharks fan.”
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Apr 29, 2011 10:43 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Not so generic on this one.
Better at Sex There were two men, one was a Sharks fan and the other was a Red Wings fan. These men were both madly in love with the same woman. So the woman challenged that whichever man does a better job at having sex with her would be her boyfriend. Both men accepted the challenge. That night, the woman had sex with the Sharks fan and then the other night had sex with the Red Wings fan. The next day the woman chose the Red Wings fan to be her boyfriend. Shocked and outraged, the Sharks fan asked why she didn’t choose him. She replied by saying, “You, like your team not only come up short but always finish early!”
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Apr 29, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The rest aren’t nearly as hilarious. There are still some gems, though.
Q: Why doesn’t Sacramento have a professional hockey team? A: Because then San Jose would want one.
Q: Did you hear that San Jose’s hockey team doesn’t have a website? A: They can’t string three “Ws” together.
Q: What’s the difference between a HP Pavilion hotdog, and a Joe Louis Arena hotdog? A: You can buy a Joe Louis Arena hotdog in May!
The rest are just… classless. Some are still pretty funny, but still classless.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Apr 29, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
4-2 Wings, Z POTG
Oh boy am I excited to see Z out there again..
by kylegroombridge on Apr 29, 2011 10:59 AM CDT reply actions
6 - 4 Wings, Datsyukian deke x 2 POTG
Shut down Jumbo Joe yes, but let’s not forget about Little Joe. He took a bigger bite out of the Wings last year if I recall correctly. Also they need to knock out Couture’s legs and confidence early, he ran all over us in the regular season. I see a Kronwalling in his future!
This series is gonna give me ulcers
as if term papers weren’t enough, this is easily the most competitive series in the semifinals. so freakin’ excited.
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Apr 29, 2011 11:15 AM CDT reply actions
This is a quote from Mr. Plank over at FTF and it made me laugh...
In a good way of course.
While a player like Pavel Datsyuk will pick your pocket and sneak out the front door, Holmstrom is a guy who will kick in your windows and proceed to take a bite out of the steak you have sitting on the kitchen table. The man’s role is to cause a goaltender as much discomfort as possible in his own crease, to violate that sanctuary of safety. No player throughout the League toes that figurative and literal line between legality and infraction better than Holmstrom.
I’m literally picturing Homer doing this and them when you ask him what he’s doing, he mumbles in his Swinglish something that you don’t understand anyways and then walks away.
ZOMFG
that’s hilarious.
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Apr 29, 2011 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I was picturing it too. Except I pictured him breaking in through the window, eating the steak as if he is an animal, and then looking innocently to each side before slowly disappearing downward behind the wall.
Best part of the day thus far.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Apr 29, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
These are the reasons I love Holmstrom!
I'm a Homer
by holmstrom96 on Apr 29, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Even better is that they were practicing specifically for Homer. Should take some pressure off of everyone else.
I'm a Homer
by holmstrom96 on Apr 29, 2011 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I wonder if they were measuring their players backsides to see if they were over the line
by SlapshotGoal on Apr 29, 2011 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
HAHA or the inches between their backsides and Niemi’s face
I'm a Homer
by holmstrom96 on Apr 29, 2011 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
"In the crease, out of the crease, in the crease, out of the crease..."
As of 3/12/11, It is this users opinion that both the NFL and NFLPA can suck it.
Proud Colts fan boycotting StampedeBlue.com since 7/17/2010
If you want some entertainment to pass the time before the game starts
Battl eof california takes a look at who holds the advantage bases only on their wikipedia pages. It’s good for a laugh, and if you spend 15 minutes reading it, it’s 15 minutes closer to puck drop.
I’m really not being very productive at work today.
That was an outstanding read. Huge kudos to that author.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Apr 29, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
The Ian White Vs. Jonathan Ericsson comparison makes me happy
I'm a Homer
by holmstrom96 on Apr 29, 2011 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
also i disagree with the Niemi vs. Howard comparison. Any goalie that punches Sid the Kid in the face should win.
I'm a Homer
by holmstrom96 on Apr 29, 2011 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
YES!!!
That was the Day that Howard truly became a Wing in my heart.
by SlapshotGoal on Apr 29, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
it is in the wiki page. I checked, but its buried under like 8 paragraphs of his AHL career…
I'm a Homer
by holmstrom96 on Apr 29, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Make the Howard-Crosby thing sound more interesting on his Wikipedia page, because right now it’s underwhelming.
It’s Wikipedia – YOU HAVE THE POWER!!!
Gentlemen, start your less expensive, more efficient Japanese-made engines!
Battle of California
I totally will tonight when I get home. Going to the top of the page.
I'm a Homer
by holmstrom96 on Apr 29, 2011 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I personally loved his comment about Salei.
“Ruslan Salei is from Belarus, which is already enough to beat Demers. Let’s move on.”
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Apr 29, 2011 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
The Helm one is awesome.
He’s so fast he can play on both the second and third line…at the same time!!!
by SlapshotGoal on Apr 29, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Also..
I think someone shoudl have included “Kronwalled” in Nik’s wikipedia page. It’s pretty bad-ass when you get something that devistating named after you.
by SlapshotGoal on Apr 29, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
This is very true.
wow we are totally not productive today. Oops.
I'm a Homer
by holmstrom96 on Apr 29, 2011 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't concentrate at all.
I have slight issues durring the regular season, but as playoffs approach and then are in full fledged flight, I have the darndest time focusing on anything but hockey; especially when it’s Wings hockey and I’ve been drprived for 9 whole days!
by SlapshotGoal on Apr 29, 2011 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed...
i’m supposed to be writing piles of papers right now.
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Apr 29, 2011 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't suppose any of them are supposed to be about hockey...
by SlapshotGoal on Apr 29, 2011 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
i wish...
i could probably do that easy.
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Apr 29, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
5- 3 wings in a sloppy 'rust' filled affair
Helmy comes through with his energy/ penalty killing / and clutch goal
9 days is too long
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." ~ Calvin (C & H)
heh
i was bankin’ on the same thing. i really hope that the first one is a signal of things to come from helm. he did well enough during the regular season and, hopefully, the playoffs have the same effect on him that they do on franzen.
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Apr 29, 2011 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
*first round is a signal…
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Apr 29, 2011 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
As already pointed out, Heatley and Thornton are on two different lines now, though things are definitely more fluid during portions of the game. And as for the erroneous Thornton “choker” label, I enter the following into evidence:
In order to try to force Joe Thornton into a “choker” role statistically, people tend to pull out statistics from his Boston days. Seven years ago, he played injured (torn rib cartilage) in the playoffs and failed to score a point in seven playoff games. Thirteen years ago, he struggled as a rookie, scoring only three goals in the regular season and no points in six playoff games. Those thirteen games with no points bring down his averages and they are also irrelevant to today. They are useless numbers to hide behind when one wants to bash Joe Thornton as opposed to actually watching him play. They are a large part of the statistical argument for his being a "choker". When your argument about things today depends upon two seasons that occurred six and twelve years ago, you are most definitely wrong. You are merely grasping at anything to support your incorrect notion. Joe Thornton has won Olympic gold, the Swiss league title in 2005, World Hockey Championships and World Junior Championships. Clearly he must be a player who cannot win. How can any player who has won at so many levels not know how to win? It is clear that his choker label is meaningless.
Steve Yzerman is another “choker”. Everyone knew he couldn’t win the Stanley Cup – then at age 32 he did. He won it two more times in his career. Joe Thornton is also 30 years old. The potential parallels exist. I argue that the case for Joe Thornton as a playoff choker today is equally strong as the case for Yzerman when he was 30. I argue both cases are wrong.
"All that means is that I'll be 783 years old when I catch Scotty Bowman." - Kevin Constantine
Yeah
as a rule, i generally ignore most of the manufactured drama that comes from high-level competition. unless you have someone who clearly has some issues (thinking luongo, here. he’s known to have gotten help, though) it’s usually completely detached from anything remotely associated with reality. i think if you had it from thorton’s mouth that he thinks he’s a “choker” and what he means by that is he feels he’s responsible for his team’s losing out on high prizes, then i think it would be worth talking about. as it is, i think the real drama in this match up is the shockingly high level of talent that will be on the ice at any given moment. it might actually make people faint when they realize it.
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Apr 29, 2011 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Good write up
where’s it from originally?
by J.J. from Kansas on Apr 29, 2011 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I snipped iot from a posting on Kukla’s Korner. It was posted during last year’s SJ-DET series: http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.php/psh/comments/they_forgot_to_choke/
"All that means is that I'll be 783 years old when I catch Scotty Bowman." - Kevin Constantine
I shouldn't have asked
I knew I recognized it from somewhere. I just didn’t recognize it without the foul stench of the original author all over it.
TPSH may have been right in this particular instance, but this is the same guy who made a joke in his writeup about the Masterson trophy that indicated that Kurtis Foster losing his infant daughter five days after her birth was some sort of competition with Jose Theodore who lost his infant son a year prior. He then hid behind his own napoleonic blog authority and deleted comments from people who felt that his decision to go this way was in bad taste.
The author of that article is a piece of shit. That doesn’t diminish the value of what you’ve quoted here, I just want everybody to know that.
by J.J. from Kansas on Apr 29, 2011 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow!
What a jackass he is for making that sort of implication. You hate to wish ill will on anyone, but perhaps he has been fortunate enough to not experience the depth of pain loss that Theodore and Foster had to go endure.
"All that means is that I'll be 783 years old when I catch Scotty Bowman." - Kevin Constantine
I tried giving him the benefit of the doubt on that
Until he pulled the “It’s dark humor, you don’t get it” and “I will not be censored!” bullshit.
Like I said though, it doesn’t make the piece that you quoted any less factually correct, I just have a personal beef with that guy.
by J.J. from Kansas on Apr 29, 2011 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
lol...
tell us how you really feel.
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Apr 29, 2011 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Wings fans might appreciate this as well
When arguing over last year’s Canadian Olympic squad, he said that there was zero reason to believe that Steve Yzerman could put together a better roster than he could.
He also said that Yzerman had zero experience putting together a championship squad and had to be reminded several times of the World Juniors championship team he put together before he relented on that point.
To this day, he still believes he’d make a better GM than Yzerman.
by J.J. from Kansas on Apr 29, 2011 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
To this day, he still believes he’d make a better GM than Yzerman.
The Tampa Bay Lightning (and entire country of Canada) disagree.
Lol.
and, begrudgingly, most of american hockey fans as well.
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Apr 29, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
ha ha...
that would definitely be something we’d talk about for a good long while.
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Apr 29, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
unbelievable...
as an aside, i have to say, i really appreciate the quality of work you guys put in here.
i was following the last few days of dialog over at FtF and you guys really know your stuff here and are as measured in your assessments as anyone could ask for.
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Apr 29, 2011 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you
We’ll throw the measured stuff out the window in game threads, but since we’ve made peace with the FtF guys, we’ve found that there are a lot of people over there worth discussing these things with.
by J.J. from Kansas on Apr 29, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks
Compliments never get old.
As for FtF, there was an…..incident…..earlier this year with them, and it got pretty heated. I think everyone realizes that we don’t want a repeat of that because we all have jobs and lives that we need to pay attention to. Plus, one of the main instigators on their side is no longer a part of that community, which makes a difference.
I think there is a respect level between Sharks and Wings fans that you don’t see a lot of. I don’t like them, but that’s a good hockey team over there, and some pretty knowledgable fans. Talking hockey with people never gets old.
that’s a good hockey team over there, and some pretty knowledgable fans. Talking hockey with people never gets old
I feel the same way!! After all, I’d rather talk hockey, even if my team is golfing, because it means hockey season is still going on! And it hasn’t been much fun talking about our respective areas’ football teams for way too long now… ;-)
"All that means is that I'll be 783 years old when I catch Scotty Bowman." - Kevin Constantine
I missed that incident entirely
Was it around one of the regular season games?
Can the Red Wings make it 5 in 15 years? Here's hoping!
Yes
The first meeting, I believe.
Water under the bridge, as far as I am concerned (and others, as well).
I believe that was the "discussion"
that caused us to break out the tophats, canes and monocles.
Dancing Datsyuk Decidedly Dazzles Dainty Defensemen
"Choker" is one of the stupid manufactured labels
That really means nothing.
It’s also the people who forgot that sports are TEAM games, and blaming one individual for a team’s failures is usually pretty silly.
As of 3/12/11, It is this users opinion that both the NFL and NFLPA can suck it.
Proud Colts fan boycotting StampedeBlue.com since 7/17/2010
agreed in full
Just having a little fun, Thornton has proven that he can contribute in the playoffs as well as many other “chokers”. It’s been said that Datsyuk used to disappear in the playoffs as well, all the wings fans know how that’s been this year. Good luck to you San Jose and may the best team win. lets have some fun in the process
You just got Kronwalled!
by DeathtotheHawks on Apr 29, 2011 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Totally Agree!
It’s going to be a good series between two great rivals. And it’s fitting, IMO, that both teams seem to be arriving in good health as players from both teams missed significant time due to injury this season.
I might be a Sharks’ fan, but I have always had a huge level of respect for the Wings. I had the opportunity to meet and chat with Scotty Bowman, Steve Yzerman, Chris Osgood and Darren McCarty during their first Cup run and they were friendly, respectable guys (especially Ozzie). I even have a Wings’ hat in my NHL collection, so there’s much respect towards this team, at least from me.
"All that means is that I'll be 783 years old when I catch Scotty Bowman." - Kevin Constantine
Like people already have said, I was having a little fun. The fact that I recognize that Thornton is a huge threat should tell anyone what my opinion is of him.
I certainly remember Yzerman being labeled a “choker” when I was growing up. It was a label that he was unable to shed until he lifted the Cup in 1997. I certainly understand why Sharks fans are quick to point to stats, but that won’t stop people from calling him the things they do, because ultimately it’s about winning, not about how many points you put up. Until Thornton does finally lead his team to a Cup, he will carry that reputation, deserved or not.
It’s the nature of sports fans; if they’re not with you, they are against you, and will insult/debase/degrade their enemies regardless of whether there is evidence to support their position or not.
Ultimately I think that if the Wings shut down Thornton (and the rest of his line), their chances of winning this series rise dramatically. He’s the straw that stirs the drink, as they say, and while there are other players who can step up (Pavelski is the next biggest threat, IMO), Thornton is the leader of the team and as he goes, so do the Sharks.
the thought of steve y being considered a "choker"
…drags up the kind of sadness only comparable to there being no santa or getting your bike stolen as a kid. i still kinda revere steve in the heroic, hyper-idealized way.
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Apr 29, 2011 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Me too
That’s why when he finally won I knew I would never hear it again.
However, I can understand where Sharks fans come from when they defend Thornton. If you look at his overall playoff numbers, they are not that bad. However, as the captain of a very talented team that has consistently fallen short of expectations (sometimes VERY short), he will always be the personification of the Sharks troubles.
yeah, that's too bad, too...
Thorton is the kinda player who, for me, typifies what makes the sharks a scary team. it reminds me of the way the minnesota wild fans i know used to feel about mike modano (though he had the added dynastic attachment of having once been a north star). he caused so many people here nightmares and fevered dreams when they’d meet, much less in the playoffs.
and i suppose, as in luongo’s case, every team needs a sacrificial lamb.
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Apr 29, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I grew up in the San Jose Area
and was a die-hard wings fan from day 1 but I was known to go to the sharks-wings game, with the sharks sweatshirt on over the wings t-shirt (closer to my heart and my mother was worried about an 7 year old getting heckled.)
Thorton is a player that terrifies me. He is so good, and can fit a pass in anywhere. But he is like the Ovi of the West. Needs that cup to show for all that hard work he has put in.
I'm a Homer
anyone surprised by all the "experts" picking the wings to win this series?
I thought more people would pick the sharks. I hope they’re right.
DETROIT RED WINGS – "war were declared"
More "dismayed" than "surprised"
I like when experts pick against the Wings.
by J.J. from Kansas on Apr 29, 2011 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
a little surprised, yeah...
i feel like sometimes pundits are told to bet against the wings to up the ante on the drama.
it also usually prints better when you have a bogeyman and there is no better bogeyman than the Winged Wheel.
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Apr 29, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
ROSTER UPDATE
FSD’s John Keating tweets that Draper and Modano are the scratches tonight.
Remember, that’s a twitter source. I like Keating, but they’re not always correct.
by J.J. from Kansas on Apr 29, 2011 2:14 PM CDT reply actions
who would play in drapes place?
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Apr 29, 2011 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
oh man...
to see that number on the ice again… it’s been too damn long.
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Apr 29, 2011 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
along those lines
detroithockey.net is speculating that it is miller that gets the HS tonight. but that is probably less substantiated than keating’s reporting at this point.
http://www.detroithockey.net/pressbox/news/2011/04/29/pregame_notes_red_wings__sharks__game_one.php
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Apr 29, 2011 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
false alarm
he essentially retracted that and simultaneously supported keating’s report.
http://forums.detroithockey.net/index.php?showtopic=2791
my bad.
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Apr 29, 2011 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm 49/51 on Miller/Draper
Draper has the speed and experience. Miller always seems to light it up after being scratched.
You just got Kronwalled!
by DeathtotheHawks on Apr 29, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah,
as long as the guys who get sat find reasons to want to play, i’ll be happy. i thought modano really did well for having sat as long as he did. his hands are still good, which meant phoenix couldn’t leave him to wander.
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Apr 29, 2011 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
These debates are great
who to sit Miller, Draper, Eaves, Modoano, Kindl, Salei. Last year we were running out of call ups, we even signed Brad May
You just got Kronwalled!
by DeathtotheHawks on Apr 29, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
plus, miller always seems like the kid from the Might ducks
skates real fast but never really learned how to stop. though he seems to be figuring that out these days.
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Apr 29, 2011 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey Sharks Fan Here
FYI, shutting down Thornton won’t shut down Heatley, because they haven’t been playing on the same line in the last several months.
Marleau – Thornton – Setoguchi
Heatley – Couture – Clowe
Wellwood – Pavelski – Mitchell
Someone – Nichol – Someone else
(and for kicks, the D):
Boyle – Murray
Vlasic – Demers
White – God I hope it’s Braun, but probably Wallin
No worries... howdy and great to have ya!
We may like different teams, but i’m excited we get to square up and face off this evening. It’s gonna be a GREAT series.
Get your Al the Octopus for the playoffs
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no worries.
i hadn’t seen the possible line ups yet, so i’m happy.
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Apr 29, 2011 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Post up
Draper and Modano confirmed as the scratches.
by J.J. from Kansas on Apr 29, 2011 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm hearing that
I swore I saw them on the same line against the Kings, but those games were so late I was a little blurry-eyed. Plus it sounds like Todd likes to mix and match during the games.
ha ha.
that’s something i’m NOT looking forward to in this series. late, late, late games…
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Apr 29, 2011 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
It's actually not that bad
Game 5 is a Sunday, which would likely be an afternoon start.
Looks like the only non-weekend game that is late would be Game 7.
all the more motivation to button this thing up sooner, then.
wings in 5?
;)
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Apr 29, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, he mixed and matched some
And that’s probably what you were seeing,
And I hear you on the lateness. I live on the east coast and the time difference just sucks.
Plus it sounds like Todd likes to mix and match during the games.
I wonder who he could have learned that from.
Dancing Datsyuk Decidedly Dazzles Dainty Defensemen
According to the Working The Corners Sharks’ blog, the fourth line will be:
Eager – Nichol – Ferreiro
That is unless Todd McLovin is already starting the lineup subterfuge…
"All that means is that I'll be 783 years old when I catch Scotty Bowman." - Kevin Constantine
But Babs said there'd be no trickery
which is a great thing to worry about in a series… tricks.
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Apr 29, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Trickery...
most definitely ups the enjoyment ante for us fans during a series like this!
"All that means is that I'll be 783 years old when I catch Scotty Bowman." - Kevin Constantine
the way Babcock talked about it
it was like he was talking about an old flame or something.
we’ve seen each other naked, there is no mystery left.
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Apr 29, 2011 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Eager, huh?
I kept reading that Eager didn’t bring enough to the table – that he’s too penalty-prone to put out there against a team that won’t fight. Any idea why he would get the start over other options?
I remember Ferreiro from the first game the Wings played against the Sharks this season. He was a pain in the ass.
by J.J. from Kansas on Apr 29, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
It's actually the opposite...
Eager has good speed and has good hands (let’s not forget that he was a 1st round pick). He’s demonstrated both in scoring some big goals for the Sharks down the stretch. At times, he even played on the top line. I was pleasantly surprised that he was more than just a pseudo-goon. I should have known, given that he played strongly against the Sharks in the WCF last year.
In the Kings’ series, the fourth line was responsible for a couple of goals against in a ten-minute span (this was during the epic comeback 6-5 win). Then, in the same game, a third minus went on their +\- as the result of an unlucky (especially for them) line change. They only logged a combined 8 minutes of ice time in that game. Then, in the next game, Eager failed to take the right guy and a goal was scored against. He was parked on the bench the rest of that game and in the press box for games five and six.
"All that means is that I'll be 783 years old when I catch Scotty Bowman." - Kevin Constantine
I just remember Eager from his Chicago days
taking misconduct penalties for bitching at the refs two games in a row in the 2009 WCF.
by J.J. from Kansas on Apr 29, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions
By the way
From last year, this is a really great article (I think) about Datsyuk that you all might appreciate if you haven’t seen it already.
http://www.fearthefin.com/2010/5/1/1453392/profile-of-the-enemy-pavel-datsyuk
thanks for the heads up
:)
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Apr 29, 2011 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Shutting down Thornton does not mean you shut down Healtey
They’re on different lines.
"You can't stop him, you can only hope to contain Kent Huskins!" - Randy Hahn 2/13/11
heh...
see above.
it’s been thrice said now.
:)
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Apr 29, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
hahaha
Yep saw that after I posted of course.
"You can't stop him, you can only hope to contain Kent Huskins!" - Randy Hahn 2/13/11
by pooponastick on Apr 29, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
no worries.
i think the point is a good one and bears repeating.
heatly on his own line will be a headache but i think that second line detroit is, at the very least, ready for.
can’t tell you how happy it makes me to see the wings rolling a full four lines against a team that rolls four lines.
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Apr 29, 2011 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope we roll 4 lines
We play the 4th line a little, but they are good enough to play more. Still, the depth these teams have is probably better than all the other series.
"You can't stop him, you can only hope to contain Kent Huskins!" - Randy Hahn 2/13/11
by pooponastick on Apr 29, 2011 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't go that far
We’ll roll the top 3 lines very close to evenly, but the fourth line is not likely to get much ice time (though Nichol will get plenty of PK time whenever we’re on the kill).
picking 4-2 sharks tonight
Thinking San Jose holds serve in the first game, as the Red Wings take a bit to get the machine humming. Thinking further that Detroit will take games 2-4, and then have to come back to JLA to wrap it up in 6…but I’ll admit to homerism tipping that balance.
Can the Red Wings make it 5 in 15 years? Here's hoping!
interesting
a bold, going-against-the-grain call.
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Apr 29, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I also picked the Preds to beat Vancouver last night
Here’s to my pick for tonight being exactly as perfect as that one was!
Can the Red Wings make it 5 in 15 years? Here's hoping!
clearly, your objectivity has blinded your homerism..
to the point your unmitigated jingoism might be called into question.
favorite team always wins everything always!
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Apr 29, 2011 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Side note
Kinda crazy that Uncle Mike and TPH are only 7 years in age difference
You just got Kronwalled!
by DeathtotheHawks on Apr 29, 2011 3:27 PM CDT reply actions
brain fart... not Modano
Babcock
You just got Kronwalled!
by DeathtotheHawks on Apr 29, 2011 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions
oh, that makes much more sense.
that was my fault.
"I'll smile in June."
by Lords of Olympia on Apr 29, 2011 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I would like to elaborate on my comment earlier about experts picking the wings
I meant to say experts, except Drew Sharp who picked AGAINST the wings….like he did last series. I like journalists to honest and realistic. But Drew Sharp sucks. He is constantly negative about all Detroit sports teams. He just does it to be antagonistic and his writing sucks. Although I appreciated his argument with Bill O’Reilly. One of the few “journalists” who sucks worse than Drew.
DETROIT RED WINGS – "war were declared"
Hahaha
There’s a reason you hardly ever see links to Drew Sharp articles around the Red Wings blogosphere.
The guy’s a running joke.
by J.J. from Kansas on Apr 29, 2011 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions

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