Game 7 - Round 2 CSSI Analysis: Red Wings 2 - Sharks 3
Hell of a way to lose a series, but the Wings showed a lot of heart. Congratulations to San Jose for turning their season around and proving my November prediction wrong. Whatever finger-wagging you want to do, go ahead (after all, I did say "I fully expect to be crucified if they get outplayed."). I will say that I was not wrong at the time, but that's not important. Ultimately, I was wrong. San Jose turned their season around and are now going to be a lot of people's favorites to win the cup. Adding guys like White and Wellwood helped, but more crucial was that, as a team, they were able to dig deep enough to find the will to win. Again, for that I say congrats.
The refs did a pretty good job of not making a difference in this game. I thought this was one of the better-reffed games of the playoffs. The Wings' power play had their chances and could not finish any of the four they earned. On the other side, the Sharks scored on the first of their three opportunities. Detroit was playing catch-up for most of the game, which would likely explain the 40-30 shots advantage.
CSSI Playoff Tracking Chart here
CSSI Methodology Explanation here
Goalie Ratings
Jimmy Howard played another great game for Detroit. I have all the confidence in the world that the contract he got this season was the right call. He did look shaky a couple of times, as he bobbled the puck, but his head was completely in the game and I don't think any of the three goals that got through him were soft. Howard made four big saves on the night: The first was off a Kyle Wellwood chance in the first when he brought the puck to the front of the net and Howard was strong behind his paddle to keep it out. #2 was on a Thornton/Heatley 2-on-0 shorthanded chance in the first where he stoned Heatley. The third was a very strong challenge on Ryane Clowe during a Sharks' 2nd period PP where he kept the puck close to the chest after a great shot. Later on the same PK, he grabbed and held a puck in traffic with two Sharks on the doorstep. Howard's rating is +4.
Scoring and plus/minus analysis after the jump
The Goals1st Period 12:20 - San Jose Goal (PP): Devin Setoguchi (slap shot) from Joe Thornton and Dan Boyle
San Jose gets a power play early thanks to a hold from Jonathan Ericsson which will earn him a minus. Detroit kills off the first minute, but the Sharks' PP gets set up on the cycle in the zone after a net-front scramble leaves all four PKers tight near their goal. As the Sharks transition to the umbrella with Pavelski on the point, Boyle gets it at the high boards. He mishandles for a brief second, but recovers and goes to Thornton below the net at the edge of the trapezoid. As the Wings' defense turns to adjust, Thornton goes right through them to find Setoguchi on the back door for the one-timer through Howard and in. Ruslan Salei is going to get a minus on this play. When Thornton makes the pass, Salei has his stick blocking a lane that Lidstrom is already in. He is not in the right position to make this play.
Penalty Adjustment: soon after the expiration of a Ryane Clowe penalty for running Jimmy Howard, Justin Abdelkader and Darren Helm combine for a great shift in the offensive zone that involves them beating Sharks to loose pucks and culminating in a Marc-Edouard Vlasic tripping penalty that could have gone as any one of three calls on a Sharks' defenseman. Both Helm and Abdelkader will get pluses.
1st Period 19:01 - San Jose Goal: Logan Couture (wrist shot) unassisted
Henrik Zetterberg rushes to get a free puck behind his own net (sent there thanks to another faceoff loss) that Ericsson and Rafalski fought to get away from Heatley and Clowe. Z uses some fancy stickwork to draw Logan Couture past him and start up ice. Unfortunately, Zetterberg forgets about Couture still being there. The Sharks' "rookie" gets his stick in the way of Zetterberg's outlet pass six feet in front of Jimmy Howard, steals the puck and quickly turns it over the glove hand to put the Sharks up 2-0. Zetterberg will get two extra minuses for this play. There is absolutely no excuse ever for this to happen. Nobody else on the play will get a minus. Ericsson, Rafalski, Hudler, and Cleary will all be cleared of minuses.
Penalty Adjustment: With the Wings really cycling well in the Sharks' zone a little over ten minutes into the 2nd period, Tomas Holmstrom gets the puck and is being hounded by Dan Boyle. To clear the pressure, Datsyuk skates into Boyle's path to try to put one of those subtle little screens on a guy to create room (the kind that we've seen dozens of times in this series). The problem is that Datsyuk's screen isn't really "subtle", as he moves directly into Boyle's path to spring Homer into the middle. Datsyuk will get a minus for this penalty.
2nd Period 13:10 - Detroit Goal: Henrik Zetterberg (backhand) from Valtteri Filppula
After the Wings kill off the Datsyuk penalty and on a routine breakout pass, Ruslan Salei temporarily turns into Andreas Lilja and completely whiffs on a pass in his own zone, turning the puck over to Ryane Clowe deep in the Detroit zone. Clowe tries to go to Couture, who is open in front, but the pass is in his feet and by the time he has it, Zetterberg is on him. Instead of forcing a shot, he tries to go back between his legs to Heatley higher in the zone. Datsyuk ties up Heatley to prevent him from getting the shot off and the puck rolls in behind them. Filppula swoops in to pick it up high in the Wings zone and carries it the other way in a 3-on-2 with Zetterberg and Datsyuk joining. Filppula carries in on the right Wing and goes to Z at the top of the circle on the opposite side of the ice. Datsyuk meanwhile charges the net to make a hole in the center of the ice. Z skates into this hole and roofs a backhander over Niemi. Salei will not get a plus on this play. His turnover nearly ended my life. Fuck that guy. Instead, Datsyuk and Zetterberg will each get bonus pluses. Their work tying up Couture and Heatley saved a goal. Datsyuk will also get an assist. His tie-up of Heatley is essentially a pass to Filppula.
Penalty Adjustment: I hate stick-slashing penalties with the burning hot passion of a harlequin romance being given the Ray Bradbury treatment while Buster Pointdexter narrates the action to a soca beat, but Kronwall loses position in the offensive zone on Patrick Marleau during a power play and chops his stick pretty aggressively to prevent an odd-man rush. This is actually a good call and Kronwall will get a minus.
3rd Period 12:13 - San Jose Goal: Patrick Marleau (slap shot) from Devin Setoguchi and Dan Boyle
The Wings start pressing a little harder as time ticks off. Kronwall carries into the San Jose zone, but loses the puck and gets caught deep. Thornton outlets to Boyle to start a 3-on-2 rush against Rafalski and Filppula (who is back deep covering for Kronwall). Boyle carries across the blue line and, for some inexplicable reason, Rafalski completely crosses out of his lane to pressure Boyle, leaving Setoguchi all alone cutting in on net. Boyle finds him with the pass and Seto goes to the net with it. Howard makes the initial stop as Setoguchi crashes into him, but Marleau is on the back door to pop the rebound home for the series-clincher. Holmstrom is going to be the lone player to avoid a minus. He's put on the ice to play offense and was going to his office when the puck was lost. He was behind the play the entire time and was neither expected nor needed to make a goal-saving play here.. Datsyuk keeps his minus for missing the outlet from Thornton to Boyle. Filppula keeps his minus for his failure to lock up Marleau's stick at the side of the net. Kronwall keeps his minus for losing the puck in the offensive zone to start the play the other way. Finally, Rafalski picks up an extra minus. If he's going to pressure Boyle, he cannot let the pass get through him to Setoguchi.
3rd Period 13:59 - Detroit Goal: Pavel Datsyuk (backhand) from Brad Stuart and Jonathan Ericsson
Within the next two minutes, the Wings pull the deficit back to one. Detroit loses the zone, but Ericsson gets it at center ice. After a give-and-go with Datsyuk, he tries hits Stuart cutting up the ice through center. Stuart has a pass back across the ice blocked, but quickly recovers it and recognizes Datsyuk cutting behind him with speed. Stu pushes the puck back to Pavel and he's off into the zone. Datsyuk splits Marleau and Setoguchi at the blue line and cuts into the right faceoff circle. By the time he gets to the dot, Douglas Murray is on him trying to force him to the boards. Datsyuk throws a tricky backhand on net from here that beats Niemi high to the far side. Datsyuk will get a half-assist for his part in setting up the rush.
Penalty Adjustment: With about five minutes to go in the game, Ruslan Salei pinches deep into the zone on what looks like it should turn into a Torrey Mitchell clear, but instead turns into a penalty. Salei blocks the outlet and threatens to carry deep when Mitchell slashes the stick out of his hands. This will earn Salei a plus.
Bonus Ratings
-1.5 to Ruslan Salei: Picked one hell of a time to have a terrible game. Aside from the lost plus on the turnover and the earned minus on the first period PK, he just could not consistently bang his two brain cells together fast enough to form thoughts all game long.
+1 to Valtteri Filppula: He was among the Wings' best players early on and pushed things very well.
-1 to Jiri Hudler: He did a few things right, but he also took Danny Cleary out of the game. He didn't do nearly enough things right to make up for that.
+1 to Pavel Datsyuk: I'm maybe the saddest for him, as I don't think a guy who didn't make it out of the 2nd round has much of a shot at the Conn Smythe. It's too bad. He has been spectacular. This game was no exception.
+1 to Darren Helm +0.5 to Patrick Eaves: Helm did a little bit more than his PK linemate, but the shorthanded 2-on-1 rush created by them was a great chance. I would have liked to have seen Eaves' skates being pushed out from under him punished, but I can't complain when the Wings PP gets held off the scoreboard.
+1 to Brad Stuart and Nicklas Lidstrom: The combined Corsi rating for this pair was +47. PLUS-FORTY-SEVEN. They were certainly not part of the problem in this game.
+1 to Henrik Zetterberg: This is to partially make up for the turnover he gave to Logan Couture for the Sharks' 2nd goal. It still leaves him as an overall minus.
-0.5 to Brian Rafalski: The screw up on the goal coverage was painful to watch, but he really didn't have a good third period at all. His inability to control pucks hurt the team's momentum.
Honorable Mentions: Niklas Kronwall had a pretty bad defensive zone turnover, but he played the remainder of the game well enough to keep him from getting a minus. Ryane Clowe running Howard to take the penalty in the first was not a drawn penalty, but I'd still like to hit him in the face with a red-hot shovel for it.
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A plus to Holmstrom for keeping a hamburger in his back pocket to draw Wellwood into a too many men penalty.
Dancing Datsyuk Decidedly Dazzles Dainty Defensemen
by Robocop on May 13, 2011 7:09 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
Thanks for doing these all year, J.J.
It really does do a better job of describing the game action than standard recap stories, and I appreciate taking the considerable time and effort to share your insight and observations.
Random Ramblings from a Somewhat Scattered Mind
"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
by Baroque on May 13, 2011 7:11 AM CDT reply actions 7 recs
You're welcome
and thanks for reading them all season.
by J.J. from Kansas on May 13, 2011 7:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks as well JJ
And now that we have a baseline, next year’s numbers will mean a little bit more.
Dancing Datsyuk Decidedly Dazzles Dainty Defensemen
my pleasure :)
Random Ramblings from a Somewhat Scattered Mind
"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
i agree... thanks for all your hard work JJ :)
Get your Al the Octopus for the playoffs
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Thanks JJ!
This was a huge task to take on and you did it fantastically. Your analyses helped me understand the subtleties so much better.
by wingsluver4ever on May 13, 2011 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
We Lost
Fair and square. At least the Wings put up a fight in the end. If there’s one thing I can’t stand, its sore losers. Let’s congratulate the Wings on a great season and tip our hats to the sharks. I happen to live very close to Tampa and am now a Steve Yzerman Lightning fan (for a month or so). I had my doubts about Jimmy Howard but he played better than we could have hoped that series. I just really really hope that want Lids last game. Please come back! Go Wings!
by pzar11 on May 13, 2011 7:45 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Howard
Seriously, I’m sorry. I talked shit about you a month or so ago. You played like a mad man with pads and a glove. You even used your face to stop pucks. I look forward to watching you for hopefully years in the future. We WILL bring Stanley home soon!
Any word on Cleary? And Bert?
23 years of neuro/trauma nursing in Detroit made that my first thought this morning.
by InMDmissingtheD on May 13, 2011 8:02 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
sounds like they both have concussions right now. nothing major, but in need of rest.
Get your Al the Octopus for the playoffs
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So glad
about the nothing major part.
Thanks.
by InMDmissingtheD on May 13, 2011 8:25 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I have a question
The Sharks always seemed to run the same play to enter the zone (on the PP, and sometimes other times). Bring it on the wing, drop it for a trailer, and then the original skater goes directly at the nearest Wing defender to keep him from challenging the puck. This worked again and again and gave them tons of space to set up, but it has the feel of a pick play or interference to me. Is this really a legal play? It was extremely effective.
The way the defender allows it makes it legal.
After the skater drops the puck back and starts going toward the net, the defender willingly covers the guy. If the D-man wants to try to skate through the man who just dumped off the puck, then any contact (other than obvious hits) are considered incidental, as the players are individually trying to get to an area and just so happen to run into one another (even if done intentionally).
If the defender tries to step around the man who just dished the puck and he makes a move to impede him, THEN it’s interference, but you don’t see that happen often. Likewise, if the defender stands still and lets the guy who just dropped the puck off skate through him, then it should be called interference (although he’s likely going to get called for a dive, since it isn’t basketball). Alternately, the skater can step around the defender in that situation with an open lane.
The biggest danger in doing either of those things for a defender is in letting a guy get behind him going to the net though. That’s a very good way to give up goals. The best solution for these kind of “legal picks” is for the forwards to backcheck hard enough to get on the guy receiving the drop pass sooner.
by J.J. from Kansas on May 13, 2011 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Perhaps a defender skating against cycle would help.
Rather than try to keep up continuously with the cycle a defender must skate against this drop pass cycle to nail the receiving player to break the play. It seems difficult but the defender bisects the cycle with his teammates keeping with their assignments along with support in front of our goalie. Breaking the cycle is key rather than trying to defend man to man. Or even sneaking a winger into the cycle to look for the drop pass rather than hitting an opposing player. There is a pattern and they always drop the pass before the goal line if cycling in and just after the faceoff dot if cycling towards the blue line.
by Idle Drifter on May 13, 2011 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
You're right - when the zone entrance is established
I was working on the assumption that the original question dealt mainly with the Sharks doing that on the rush.
When it happens lower in the zone, the defender has to be very careful when trying to bisect the pass. The screen is set up in a way to prevent that from happening and a missed opportunity here leaves a man between the D-man and the goal. Mistakes here lead to low 2-on-1 opportunities and penalties.
When the cycle is on the outside and low in the zone, the defenders’ main job is to keep the play to the outside. I personally would like to see the defenders do a consistently better job of angling guys into the boards as they try to cycle to allow the center/winger to help him get the puck away and start a rush.
by J.J. from Kansas on May 13, 2011 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks JJ
For all you hard work, these have been great, especially for missed games.
by jmm87110 on May 13, 2011 8:53 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Thank you, JJ
Really appreciate these CCSI posts. Thank you for your great work.
Man, this just stings.
Zetterberg
In retrospect (and now that the beer has worn off) the turnover/goal at the end of the first was the critical moment of the game.
I think he'll be beating himself up about that for a while
… almost perfect in all the other games and then this? Z, bad moment.
"My chances? Always good chances." -- Pavel Datsyuk
WELL good by Hudler unless you wanna take a pay cut.
Hello Gustav Nyquist…i love this kids skill set…he just needs to get a little bit bigger.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbpqZT_56Ns
"Well what can I say? I have a weak neck and spasms in my hands and legs...thats the way god made me I guess" - Joe Pavalski
He's under contract for 1 more year
So Huds isn’t going anywhere.
Dancing Datsyuk Decidedly Dazzles Dainty Defensemen
not with that contract...
"Well what can I say? I have a weak neck and spasms in my hands and legs...thats the way god made me I guess" - Joe Pavalski
Trade...playing minutes...scratch
who knows…unless he produces like the hudler of old he won’t be resigned next year. we can get someone way better for the nearly $3 mil he gets paid. He was one of the biggest disappointments this year. maybe we can bundle him up with someone in a trade? the only time he was really good was when he had that stretch with Datsyuk in the regular season, other than that he was a disappearing act.
"Well what can I say? I have a weak neck and spasms in my hands and legs...thats the way god made me I guess" - Joe Pavalski
He's going to be here next season
Prepare to accept it. His contract isn’t moving unless he’s leaving with a prized asset, they’re not going to put a 2.8 mil cap hit in the Leino Lounge, waiving him to the AHL is too dangerous, and he already plays very low minutes (13:40 TOI regular season, 11:58 playoffs).
I hate Jonathon Ericsson.
When was the last time the Wings traded a regular under contract?
The last one I remember was Slava Kozlov is the Hasek trade, but I could easily be forgetting someone. In other words, they don’t trade roster players, so Hudler is likely to be back unless he runs away to Europe again.
How did Hudler keep getting to play?
Does he have some dirt on Babcock? I mean he played ok in this game except for hurting Cleary, but EVERYONE else has played better, save for Franzen who was hurt. That includes Modano, who should have gotten to play instead last night.
Also, in a road game, why in the world would you put Pav and Z on the same line…doesn’t make sense. I don’t usually question Babcock’s decisions, but come on man. Sharks controlled the play when those two were out there in the first.
With that said, definitely was one of the best series that I’ve ever seen.
First series in NHL history to be decided by six one-goal games.
…and the seventh one was only two goals because of an empty-netter.
by meetyourmako on May 13, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for coming by and staying classy!
Get your Al the Octopus for the playoffs
byjenniferleigh.etsy.com/
Hulder
should have been a -10 for putting Cleary out of the game. At the end you could tell our lines were pretty tired… we were soooooo close but just couldn’t finish.
And he still wouldn’t shoot the puck! how many times in the 3rd did he cross the line, and make a dangerous drop pass to Datsyuk instead of going to the net?
how many times in the 3rd did he cross the line, and make a dangerous drop pass to Datsyuk instead of going to the net?
Considering that before Howard was pulled for the extra skater, he shared less than half a shift with Datsyuk in the third period, I’m going to say zero.
http://www.timeonice.com/default.html?GameNumber=30247&submit=Go
My notes have that one very terrible rush-killing drop pass at the feet of Filppula while the Wings were building momentum. Credit to the haters, that really was a terrible decision since it didn’t work. Credit to the apologists, if it had worked, Filppula had room to walk that puck into the slot and shoot. Hell, Flip may have even pulled the trigger! (I keed).
I don’t have any record in my game notes that indicate anybody on the entire team making a worse offensive zone decision than that one, but that’s a completely subjective thing to say.
by J.J. from Kansas on May 13, 2011 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I don’t have any record in my game notes that indicate anybody on the entire team making a worse offensive zone decision than that one
That part should end with “in the third period”.
Datsyuk’s interference penalty in the 2nd was probably worse than that Hudler drop pass that cost the Wings the offensive zone, but didn’t lead to a turnover.
by J.J. from Kansas on May 13, 2011 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah, It was Filppula I guess
I was a bit tired at that point. I just noticed Hudler doing something stupid.
The one thing about Hudler...
I think Mickey said it during the game, but it was something to the effect of lost confidence. You could see it in the way he skated; He was tentative to be aggressive and even more so to shoot. He just wasn’t his Happy intuitive self yesterday.
As for his season performance – yea JJ covered it well over a series of threads —> my opinion is that he is definitely decent and has good vision/skill – but resides somewhere around the 3rd or 2nd line – and for his 2 mill or so cap hit – i’m okay with that (i think…?)
Hopefully the rust will have fallen off next year and no confidence-based slumps
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." ~ Calvin (C & H)
JJ, you are the Datsyuk of the wings blog world
thanks for the great year, your hockey analysis is grossly underrated and you are always very timely in your post’s. I notice you on Fear the Fin sometimes during this series and you are always representing us fans most respectably. I am excited that we got a look at what our Wings are capable of. We look good for a while to come. But we do need to tweak ever so slightly. Like maybe ask Toddy to come back…LOL.
Defense...
Lidstrom is all-worldly and is still capable of a high level provided he’s not required to be out there for 25-minutes/night
Rafalski – I had a problem with him these playoffs; I dont know what exactly it is? but he was having tremendous trouble getting in to zones and setting up plays. Especially last night I felt that he had a few offensive zone give aways or poor dump-ins that deflated me.
Kronwall – Man he has so much potential – great physical presence – w/ a keen eye on when to join the offense – love him and hopefully he’ll keep progressing!
Stuart – Quite awesome yet again, a few simple mistakes yea – but overall amazing work physically and defensively. I would like to see him shoot the puck from the point more – what he used to do years back and did earlier this year when we were thin everywhere.
Salei – He played like a 6th defender…and not a former All Star (i think..?) —> too many sloppy give aways – not enough discipline for the Wings’ system – likely gone I think/hope?
Ericsson – Impressed by his playoffs again. Towards the end of the season he was shaky and left people wondering what Babcock was thinking in putting him over BOTH Kindl and Salei – but once he learns to be a little more responsible he could be a solid d-man
—> how’d Ericsson look to you guys not just last night but this series?
Finally it cannot be said enough —> Thanks again JJ for some awesome analysis and a non-homer look that was insightful and even calming!
Cheers!
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." ~ Calvin (C & H)
Lidstrom – I think he will come back for one more go around as long as Babcock does, he clearly still has it and by controlling his minutes a little more than usual it allows him to be a difference maker when he is on the ice. I think he will take home his 7th Norris trophy this summer and make a very gracious speech.
Rafalski – I am so annoyed with him because he can play games where he absolutely dominates anything and everything with great passing and positioning, and other games he seems to constantly be in the wrong place at the wrong time, his shots are off, his passing is pedestrian and he just isn’t effective enough on the boards. All in all he is a good player though and does far more good than bad.
Kronwall – I thought he really came on during the playoffs and Babcock must agree since he played the most minutes of any Red Wing, his positioning is getting better and he is very solid on the point, he plays the boards better than any other defender aside from Stuart and I am never nervous when he has the puck.
Stuart – If he didn’t make some completely stupid mistakes every so often he would be great, he is strong on the boards, he hits, he rarely takes stupid penalties, and he has a pretty good eye for the simple pass and when to step up, unfortunately every so often he will completely whiff on a simple outlet pass or have a puck go right through him leading to dangerous odd man rushes.
Salei – When he keeps his game very simple and just runs into people he is decent, but no player on the team makes more mistakes with the puck than this guy and he just doesn’t have the speed and the anticipation to disrupt the cycle once it is set up, I would say he is almost better as disrupting the Red Wing cycle some times with his bad passing and puck handling.
Ericsson – I thought he played very well during the playoffs, he had some mistakes but on the whole he was very effective in his own zone and did some good things offensively. I think the biggest key to his play is to keep his legs moving, during the regular season he gets lazy and gets beat because he tries to play with his upper body too much.
My guess is that Kindle comes up full time and Salei is not resigned.
Question
Good breakdown, J.J.
Do they draw comparisons in Detroit between Datsyuk and Fedorov? I don’t pretend to be an expert, but I could swear I see flashes of #91 in Pavel.
The comparison is there to be made, but
Fedorov had much more speed and a better shot. I don’t think he had the dogged determination that Datsyuk has, but there’s definitely similarities.
I hate Jonathon Ericsson.
Every once in a while
But mostly no.
I think it was Ed Olcyzk (or maybe Keith Jones) at one point who said that Pavel Datsyuk is the best Russian-born player ever. I love Pavel Datsyuk to death, but I really think that Fedorov in his prime would have gotten the better of Datsyuk slightly more than half the time.
Pavel is the best pure stick-handler I’ve ever seen and is better defensively, but Fedorov was noticeably faster, and had a harder shot. Also, Fedorov may not have been as good in the corners with the puck as Pavel, he had the ability to make his moves at full speed like Datsyuk can.
by J.J. from Kansas on May 13, 2011 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
interesting proposition of Fedorov vs Datsyuk in their primes
I think i would have to go with Datsyuk for one reason and that his heart/determination. He’s unrelenting and his two way presence is more demoralizing than Fedorovs tho Sergei definitely would have the edge offensively
(I absolutely love Fedorov btw but he was a little vain)
Therefore:: Humble Wizards >> Selfish Narcissists
i.e. adds more to the team philosophy
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." ~ Calvin (C & H)
by Igorzba on May 13, 2011 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
have to disagree
pavel is the best all around player in the game, he plays with more heart and determination in one shift than segie played his whole career. fedorov like ovechkin & bure were / are all great offensive talents but they pail in comparison to what datsuk can do on both ends of the ice.
Even when fedorov won or was in contention for the heart he would fade come april, rarely going in corners not willing to sacrifice, in general a lack of heart and leadership. The only time i can remember sergie playing his ass of in the spring was game 6 & 7 of the colorodo series where we came back from down 3-2 in the series and managed to win a lopsided game 7. That being said I would love for the wings to sign sergie for one year so he can end his career the way it should be ended and receive the recognition he deserves in detroit
pavel may not win any scoring titles anytime soon but he is hands down the most compete russion player to ever lace up skates
True
…but he DID become a good two way player in his prime.
I have no argument about Datsyuk having more heart and determination than Fedorov, but Sergei had more raw talent.
If Sergei Fedorov had Pavel Datsyuk’s heart and determination, we’re talking about him as the best player EVER.
by J.J. from Kansas on May 15, 2011 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
91 vs 13
Since I was a little boy I always loved Sergei, he was mostly a reason why I am now a RW fan. I agree with JJ in that raw talent category, but from my perspective is Datsyuk will be considered better in the future. Mainly because when it comes to wits and general play – Datsyuk plays more clever game and I think he will be able to keep his level of play for longer time than Fedorov did – therefore I would choose 13 over 91. But when it comes to that pinnacle (prime) – Fedorov would be a little better.
who cares?
they are both my favorites and Russian
But somewhat different styles of player. Fedorov was a fabulous skater, quick and fluid, could stop on a dime and release his shot (even when he was playing for Washington – that goal he scored to win the series was exactly what I expected from him. As soon as he stopped dead, I knew the goaltender had no chance.)
Datsyuk is not as quick, but shiftier in tight quarters and more likely to steal a puck through sneakiness than sheer speed.
Both are/were such dynamic, mind-blowingly talented players. I love the flashy Russians. :)
Random Ramblings from a Somewhat Scattered Mind
"It is a mistake to try to look too far ahead. The chain of destiny can only be grasped one link at a time." --Sir Winston Churchill (1874 – 1965)
Ryane Clowe running Howard to take the penalty in the first was not a drawn penalty, but I’d still like to hit him in the face with a red-hot shovel for it.
You do realize that Clowe actually stopped short and was pushed into Howard by Rafalski, right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpEBBlH-qg4 (at 1:41).
No, he hadn't "stopped" he was "stopping"
He would have run into him without a strong backcheck by Raf.
Really? This is what you want to argue on a Wings blog?
I’m going to say this nicely.
Fuck Ryane Clowe with a jackhammer.
by J.J. from Kansas on May 13, 2011 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Thanks!
I discovered this blog about halfway through the Phoenix series, and have been quite distracted at work ever since. Living in Wisconsin, I just wish the Wings could have held on for another series or two, since I hardly ever get to see any games on TV anymore. I definitely look forward to the CSSI next year.
A couple thoughts/questions:
- On the Sharks 3rd goal, how come it wasn’t waived off for goalie interference? When Seto crashed into Jimmy, didn’t it prevent him from getting to the rebound?
- Was anyone else being driven crazy by all the weak flipshots from the D toward the net that were trapped easily by the Shark forwards and turned back up ice? If you’re going to put a shot on net, at least do it with enough force that it ricochets off into the corner or over toward a teammate and not softly into the guy’s feet or stick. Seems like every time the offense actually got through the center ice and blue line picket lines of the Sharks, they’d turn the puck over in this manner.
3rd goal..
I felt the same way about it that you did. In my opinion it looked like they bowled Jimmy over rather than simply digging for the puck underneath him. Suppose it doesn’t matter now though. Jimmy played excellent and I’m not sure how he would have made a save there with guys right on top of him… literally.
Get your Al the Octopus for the playoffs
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I'm pretty sure
Rafalski was the main culprit with those weakass shots to the net. That guy drives me crazy!
Great article
Full disclosure: Sharks Fan here.
I just thought I’d write to say that I actually really enjoyed reading these CSSI articles that you guys have written throughout the series. I think they’re really analytical and well put together.
And I never really bought into how good Datsyuk was until this series, but after watching him the past few games I was floored. I actually held my breath every time he touched the puck in Game 7. That guy is f***ing amazing.
Anyways, great series.
Sharks fan here
And I never really bought into how good Datsyuk was until this series, but after watching him the past few games I was floored. I actually held my breath every time he touched the puck in Game 7. That guy is f***ing amazing.
Came by to let you guys know that this was one hell of a series to say the least. A series for the ages. I never thought I’d be saying this… but I have the utmost joy in watching the Red Wings play. My new favorite players include Lidstrom and Datsyuk, but the Sharks are still my favorite team through and through.
Hopefully we can get the Stanley Cup this year so that I can see Lidstrom come back one more year to lift the cup next year! (again can’t believe I’m saying this…)
Some thoughts
Just wanted to say keep your heads up. That was an incredible series that really came down to the wire. That game could have went either way. This was a great season and my first as a RW fan. I watched the Wings all season in awe, yet I consider game 7 to be the game where I truly officially became a fan. I was so into games all year and fell in love with MikeB and the players. Don’t forget the heart that they’ve shown all season and I know they will take the Cup home next year.
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"a tricky backhand"
is such a severe understatement for datsyuk’s goal. such a ridiculous shot that was
Raffi
Man I was screaming at the TV in the 3rd Period last night – turned the puck over three times within the last 5 minutes of the game. Trying to force plays that weren’t there, passing to guys who were covered – ugh, and two of those three turnovers were on the PP, when we really HAD to score…
Oh yes, Pissed I was at him (my best Yoda…)
JJ, you've done it again!
As always, great blog and a shame it won’t continue until next season.
Having said that, I really think they need to get aggressive to re-tool this defense. Rafalski has become more of a liability. Lidstrom may or may not be back. Salei was a HUGE letdown and was not nearly the guy who played for Babs in Anaheim. Ericsson did play better in the playoffs, but is too inconsistent and soft for a big defenseman. I love Kronwall and I think if you build around him and Stuart, you’ve got something.
Jimmy Howard has proven himself as our starter. he was absolutely amazing. We will need a good solid back up who can share the duties rather than replace him, etc.
I hate to say it but the time has come to let Homer and Drapes go. Modano will not be back. Hudler is nothing but a liability at this point. We need some young hungry big grinding forwards to compliment the finesse players that we have an abundance of.
I am glad I am not Ken Holland or Jim Nill. They have a lot of work to do but I am sure they will get the best players on the ice for next season.
As far as this series goes, we just didn’t have enough in the tank. No excuses, but it is tough for any team to lose three of its top 6 forwards. Regardless, it was the gutsiest effort I have seen and I am so proud to be a Wings fan for life.
Derek Boogaard....
was found dead. Was looking around for any news on Bert and Cleary and saw this on KK. No indication of how, just that his family found him dead in his apartment. Sympathy to his family, friends, Rangers and Minnesota fans.
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