Nostalgia: The Detroit Vipers
Yesterday, I was driving home from work and saw what may have been the most shocking thing I have seen in quite a while: one of my new neighbors (I recently moved) was mowing his lawn wearing a Detroit Vipers jersey. Not only was I shocked enough that I slammed on the brakes, I actually got out of my car and shook the elderly man's hand for wearing such a righteous piece of hockey history.
Not many people even know who the Vipers were, but those that do have strong memories of that team and miss them dearly.
Before I get into nostalgia, let's begin with a quick history lesson. The Detroit Vipers was an IHL team that played from 1994-2001 at the Palace. They never had any sort of affiliation with the Wings; at the time, our minor league affiliate was the Adirondack Red Wings. The Vipers were owned by Bill Davidson, owner of Palace Sports and Entertainment (including the Pistons, Palace, and DTE/Pine Knob), after he purchased the Salt Lake Golden Eagles in 1994.
Despite having absolutely no affiliation with the Wings, the Vipers had a very strong relationship with Little Caesar's. You would often find Vipers logos, schedules, and vouchers in the restaurants right next to the collectible pucks, shirts, and bobbleheads for the Wings. The best part about this relationship was the free tickets. You couldn't really sell tickets to a minor league hockey team in the same city as the Wings (who were contenders for the first time in decades), so Davidson partnered with Ilitch to provide people with free tickets just to get them to the Palace.
This is where the nostalgia begins. My grandfather is, and has been, an avid Pizza! Pizza! fan for years. He says he likes the taste, I say he likes supporting the Wings and Tigers. Either way, he would come over to my house once every month or two and hand me vouchers for free tickets that he got from Little Caesar's and announce he was taking me to "see a true man's game."
Being from a family with little money, I didn't see the Wings until I was 14-ish, so the Vipers were the greatest thing in the world to me. Every time my grandfather came to my house with those ticket sized vouchers, it was like Christmas day. There was no single thing better than going to the Palace, sitting in the bottom bowl, and watching hockey.
Even the logo was absolutely awesome
Over time, I saw a great deal of Vipers hockey. There was a point when I positioned myself as a Vipers fan before a Red Wings fan. In all those games, I saw some great players skating on their way to the NHL or to retirement, names that I didn't know the significance of at the time but now... now, it just makes me smile remembering how great a player like Sergei Samsonov was out there.
I saw Samsonov in probably five or six games in his single season with the Vipers, a season in which he won the Longman Memorial Trophy as rookie of the year. I remember about 30 rows behind the visitor's bench one game. At the time, Samsonov was heralded as the next Federov, the next great Russian. I didn't know that at the time, and my grandpa pointed to him sitting on the bench and told me to "watch that guy." I remember asking him why and he replying, "Because that is an all time great in the making. And you're helping get him through the most difficult time in his career." About midway through that game, Samsonov scored. My grandpa picked me up and put me on his shoulders and started a "SER-GEI! SER-GEI!" chant that lasted for maybe 30 seconds.
That year, the Vipers won the Turner Cup. To this day, that may be the greatest night of my life. We were upper deck that time, first time I had ever heard the phrase "nose bleeds" used to describe seats before. The arena was packed, the atmosphere electric. Everyone knew the Vipers would leave the ice that night holding the holy grail of minor league hockey and they did. That was a school night and I didn't get home until after midnight. I spent a good half hour sitting in the front seat of my grandpa's Corsica honking the horn with the rest of the parking lot in celebration.
The next season, I experienced something that few my age have experienced: I saw Gordie Howe play. Yes, that year, Gordie Howe played for a single shift. He skated for one shift at 69 or 70 years old, just so he could be the only athlete to ever play a pro game in six different decades. He got a standing ovation at random times during that game. Occasionally, he would sign a puck or shirt or hat and lob it over the glass behind the bench. My grandpa, who again had gotten the tickets for free, told me that one of his earliest sports memories was of Gordie Howe, Mr. Hockey, playing at Olympia and that one of mine would be seeing him play at the Palace.
Over the years, I saw a lot of players play for the Vipers. From Samsonov to Brent Fedyk (first hockey card I ever got) to Kirk Maltby's younger brother, Shawn, to Petr Sykora and Peter Bondra. Those games were always full of awesome play and atmosphere, something I have never experienced at other minor league games. Unfortunately, it all came to an end in 2001 when the IHL and Vipers ceased operations. I guess giving away tickets for free isn't a great business practice.
This is the first in, hopefully, a series of posts called Nostalgia where I, and perhaps you, can relive those great Detroit hockey moments. Let me know in the comments if you would like to see more.
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Love it.
I too was at the Gordie Howe game. One thing I remember vividly was that Mark Howe was NOT at the game with them, as at the time he was still working for the Wings, and the two organizations weren’t exactly friendly.
I still have my purple Vipers jersey in the closet. Not sure how well it would fit now, but I have it. Wish I had gotten the customized Samsonov one at the time.
It’s too bad the Vipers couldn’t do like the Griffins did and made the jump to the AHL when the “I” folded. Their ultimate downfall was probably playing in too big of an arena. Even at 10000 seats, the Van rarely sells out. Can’t imagine the Vipers having much luck with a 20,000 seat stadium.
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I love the idea.
I’m still relatively new to hockey compared to most everyone else here. I attended my first hockey game on March 1, 2008 to watch a friend play on our local junior hockey team. As I watched the game, I remember thinking to myself, “where has hockey been all my life”. No one in my family is into sports and that was my first real exposure to hockey. I started watching the Wings shortly after that and was honored to see them win the cup a few months later. It took me a while to understand what was going on and follow the plays, and I’m still learning more every time I watch. I love hearing about other’s experiences with hockey and hearing stories of history in the making. I would love to see a series dedicated to this subject.
Awesome. Pure awesome.
This is excellent. Thank you for sharing.
I was lucky enough to grow up in an absolutely hockey-rabid family and going to Red Wings games were just kind of part of the deal. Back in those days, the Red Wings were — like you said before the Vipers years — absolutely shitty. We’re talking point-and-laugh shitty, so it wasn’t hard to get tickets and we were fortunate to have friends with season tickets that didn’t always use them and gave them to us.
But, like you, the Vipers held a special place in my heart. I was 12 when they were born and loved going to see IHL-level hockey (and still love going to AHL-level hockey). Those kids wanted it so bad, and played balls-out every single night because this WAS their shot. Not everyone is lucky enough to be drafted at the top of their class and inserted into the (Oilers) lineup.
Remember the blimp that would float around the arena dropping stuff like gift certificates? People went coocoo bananas for that thing.
Keep the nostalgia coming. And if you need artifacts, talk to TPL Mom. You should see the collection of stuff she has from the ’60’s and ’70’s Red Wings. We’re talking random photographs posing with Nick Libbett and programs from games when Mickey Redmond sincerely may have been the first to score 50.
by Michael Petrella on May 6, 2011 11:56 AM CDT reply actions
Remember the blimp that would float around the arena dropping stuff like gift certificates? People went coocoo bananas for that thing.
How the heck did I forget that?!
by Apocalyptic0n3 on May 6, 2011 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
That's awesome
Great post – loved it.
I was long gone from Detroit by 1994 when the Vipers were playing – but I do remember them and I think I even watched them on TV here in KC via the FSD channel one or two times (nothing else on – probably a Saturday mid-day, and I’ll bet it was the IHL playoffs…not much on TV, i may as well watch some hockey).
Nostalgia time – I saw Gordie Howe play too. But it was at Olympia with the Wings (yes, I’m that old) – and one time, I think after a Saturday afternoon game, I made my Dad stay so I could get autographs. Yes, I got Gordie’s autograph on the program from that day – Gary Bergman was on the cover (see, I told you I was that old).
Click this link for even more amazing Vipers Nostalgia!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UADFjv3NlTU
This is from their championship video in 1997. I was at their clinching game at the Palace and the Turner Cup Champions hat is hanging on my wall right next to the Stanley Cup Champions hat of that same year…amazing
Great work
My in-laws have had Chicago Wolves season tickets for a long time, and they always used to tell me about the old Vipers-Wolves battles in the IHL. I wasn’t that big into it (in Toronto it’s NHL or nothing for the most part), but I did see a playoff game between the Vipers and Wolves in 1998. I think the Vipers won, but I remember feeling weird cheering against a Detroit-based hockey team.
When the IHL folded, the Wolves were fortunate to be merged into the AHL and promptly won the Calder Cup, showing that the IHL teams were better.
Petrella, the blimp thing is still done here at the Wolves games. They used to drop coupons for US Cellular, but now it’s for cookies, definitely a trade up. They also do a t-shirt toss in every intermission. I’m 0-for-8 years.
Keep the nostalgia stuff coming. This is awesome.
Griffins games do the blimp as well, dropping coupons to whomever has sponsored it that night.
They also have a t-shirt gatling gun, a Subway sub gun and a hot dog gun (yes, they launch subs and hotdogs into the stands).
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The Vipers blimp dropped memorabilia, not coupons. Shirts, hats, and the like.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on May 6, 2011 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
It's becoming clearer
as to why they may not have been financially viable.
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It’s obvious why. I remember an interview with Bill Davidson after he bought the Lightning asking him how he was going to run the Lightning differently than he did the Vipers because he ran them into the hole. His response was to the effect of, “The purpose of the Vipers was never to make money. Their purpose was to give a good time to the fans. The purpose of the Lightning is to win the Stanley Cup.”
The world is a lesser place without Bill Davidson in it.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on May 6, 2011 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
good times
Great article!!
been to a few of those games on the free vouchers, i got them from my Rollerblade hockey league. i think i even watched it from a luxury box that night… not sure how that worked out but thats what happened
SHUMU OUT!
I used to get suite tickets all the time for the Vipers. My brother’s best friend played on the same peewee team as Ilitch’s grandson or great grandson (can’t remember which) and he had a box for the team whenever they wanted to go. He also gave them a row for Wings games. Never was able to get my hands on those.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on May 6, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
There were a lot of others to play for the Vipers, I just listed a few.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on May 6, 2011 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
the 90s were a great time for free/cheap hockey in Detroit
with the Vipers at the Palace, Ambassadors (which became the Jr. Wings then Whalers) and the Detroit Falcons at Fraser Ice Arena. I think I saw more live hockey from 94-97 than I have in the years since
"I'm a simple man. I like pretty, dark-haired women and breakfast food" - Ron Swanson
by rock n rye on May 6, 2011 1:46 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Chad Larose and I played out of the Falcons arena in Frasier when we were young. One of us is now a Carolina Hurricane. The other is me.
That rink is special to me, too. I played there until I was — I think — 13. Then the new rink opened in Farmington Hills, and it was considerably closer to home.
by Michael Petrella on May 6, 2011 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Is the Frasier arena you’re talking about the Belle Tire one? I used to play soccer next door to there. Got banned because I broke the glass with the ball
by Apocalyptic0n3 on May 6, 2011 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
i think so
I remember it as Fraser Hockeyland, then they built the arena and a couple more rinks and changed the name.
"I'm a simple man. I like pretty, dark-haired women and breakfast food" - Ron Swanson
by rock n rye on May 6, 2011 2:06 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes that's the one.
It was called Fraser Ice Arena during the 80’s and 90’s and is now called Great Lakes Sports City. When I was playing, it had one arena (where the Falcons played) and also three smaller rinks all within the same campus. I haven’t been in there FOREVER, I’d be curious to see how it looks.
by Michael Petrella on May 6, 2011 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions
I played there for 12 years...
it is not the best complex in the world, but a lot of great memories from Fraser…
and the Detroit Falcons were great
by HockeyGuy9125 on May 7, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
heh. heh. heh.
perusing the stats: Tim Thomas—36 GP, 22 PIM.
this is great stuff. so long as you’re willing to write, keep it coming.
my experience of hockey has always been NHL hockey because i grew up in a house that usually watched sports on TV instead of going to games (though i’m slowly helping the family reverse that trend with the LA Kings and my mom and uncle). not much free/ cheap hockey in Los Angeles, so it was ESPN/ABC for me growing up.
Never realized Tim Thomas didn’t have any real NHL experience until he was 31. Damn.
Not what you would expect for a man who is about to win his second Vezina and broke Hasek’s records.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on May 6, 2011 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
So you're saying there's a chance?
I’m getting my skates sharpened after work.
by Michael Petrella on May 6, 2011 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i have a few memories like yours...
much like you i couldnt afford to go to wings games when i was little so my dad took me to go see the vipers a few different times. one more memorable time i was sitting kinda in the upper rows of the lower level and half way through the game i noticed a few kids crowding around someone a few rows over. after i finally got a better look i recognized that it was kirk maltby. like you said he told us that his little brother played for the vipers so he came to watch him. he was the nicest guy ever and i thought it was pretty cool that he didnt ask for special seats or anything… he was just sitting right up there with everyone on a not so packed night. my dad bought me a little vipers goalie stick and i had maltby sign it. that was one awesome memory for a 9 or 10 year old at the time and i still have the stick to this day. i loved the vipers and i think they would of been an awesome teem to have in the nhl… maybe not the players but the logo and the jerseys… and the GIANT viper they skated out of lol. obviously they would of had to move far away from detroit but come on they would of been better than the florida panthers or Atalanta.
I remember going to one Vipers' game...
and a ref got pelted with a puck straight to the head. It was a pretty gruesome scene with a puddle of blood all over the ice at least spanning a couple feet in diameter.
The writer seems to have gone to a good share of Viper games maybe you could add to my story because that is all I remember.
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Lets go Bears!
I dearly miss the old IHL. The Orlando Solar Bears were the reason I got into hockey. My father and brother talked me into going to a game back in 96. After a couple of months and two more games, I was hooked. Hated the Vipers for a long time as they always had the Bears number. Until we came back from that 0-3 hole of course.
Boooo!
While a dedicated Vipers fan, I have to say I don’t know who I hated more…Orlando or Chicago. I guess it depended on the year. We were devastated when we lost to Orlando 4-3 in that series. It was at the Palace and I can still remember it. Our top goalie was suspended because of some BS incident with a fan at Orlando. Wish the Vipers still existed, not when they were the farm team of the Lightning, but when they were a top notch independent team.
Great memories! Thanks for the article!!!!
Only Vipers game I saw
Was in Orlando vs. Solar Bears. Remember distinctly seeing Samsonov, who looked head-and-shoulders more talented than everyone else on the ice, and Shawn Burr, who I immediately recognized as an ex-Red Wing.
It was a great time, and the only time I’ve ever been in the lower-bowl for any hockey game. I was sorry the IHL folded; now I’ve got to trek to Tampa once every-other-year for my in-person hockey.
by Big Z in Orlando on May 9, 2011 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I still got an old beer cup
that my dad got when we went to a Piston game. Had the Piston’s logo on one side and the Viper’s on the other side.
I loved watching them on TV back when they won the Calder Cup.
That was a great team, especially Samsonov.

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