Quick Hits: Minor Leaguers, NHLers, and future Retirees
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Jul 14, 2011 6:42 AM CDT
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Print- Let's start this off with interesting stuff: signings. CapGeek reports that Brett Festerling has accepted the qualifying offer given by the Winnipeg Jets. Not a huge NHL player, but one I love getting for NHL 11 so that is why he is news.
- The Devils have re-signed Vladimir Zharkov (source) and Chad Wiseman (source). More minor leaguers here, but Zharkov is a very promising Russian prospect who has spent half of each of the past two seasons in the NHL.
- The Predators lost Shane O'Brien yesterday to the Avalanche. I wouldn't have minded it if we signed O'Brien over White (not that I am complaining). No contract details yet from what I can see.
- Nice little write-up from Wyshniski about the state of the salary floor, primarily for the Avalanche and Islanders.
- Kristian Huselius, a key member of the Columbus Blue Jackets, is out for 4-6 months after "tearing his chest" as ESPN so eloquently put it.
- And now? Red Wings news. Chris Osgood will meet with Ken Holland tonight. It is expected that they will discuss his future with the team and Holland will inform Osgood if he will or will not be the backup for one more season in Detroit. Holland said yesterday that he expects to announce the backup on Saturday. If the Wings decide to go the Ty Conklin route, it is widely believed that Ozzy will retire and be brought on in a coaching/development role.
- Holland will also speak with Kris Draper soon about his future. It is expected that Holland will inform him that there will not be a spot open and, like Ozzy, Draper will likely retire. As with Maltby last season, it is very likely that the long-time Wing will be offered a job within the organization.
- Here's one for the Alexander Semin fans: there is a persistent rumor out there that the Wings are actually interested in trading for the extremely talented Russian star.
So let us make this the topic of the day. Would you like the Wings to trade for Semin? What do you think it would take to get him and what is the most you would give up for him? Shout off in the comments!
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So let us make this the topic of the day. Would you like the Wings to trade for Semin? What do you think it would take to get him and what is the most you would give up for him? Shout off in the comments!
As always, Hudler, Emmerton, and pick(s). Either a first & a 4th or just a 2nd. I’d be hard-pressed to accept giving away either Filppula or Tatar instead, but I consider myself able to be convinced. Ok, maybe not Flip. I hate the concept of giving up a two-way center for a one-dimensional winger, even if that one dimension is scoring an assload of goals.
I wouldn’t have minded it if we signed O’Brien over White (not that I am complaining).
For all the hockey he’s played, the only thing I remember about him is fighting and taking penalties. I’m glad he went on to become somebody else’s problem.
by J.J. from Kansas on Jul 14, 2011 7:17 AM CDT reply actions
I concur Dr.
That was exactly my thoughts. Every time I hear his name, I just think about Bertuzzi knocking the crap out of him.
Get your Al the Octopus for the playoffs
byjenniferleigh.etsy.com/
by Josh Howard on Jul 14, 2011 7:20 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
As always
rec’d for the Zoidberg. Hooray!
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Jul 14, 2011 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Re: O’Brien
I always felt like he was overshadowed by Ryan Suter and Shea Weber. Maybe I am wrong, but I definitely saw potential with him. (I actually just pulled up his Wikipedia page and this is his 5th team. The man is only 27. Candidate for the Mike Sillinger award? Either way, it would appear most teams agree with you on him.)
Re: Semin
I agree, for the most part. The draft picks, though… a 2nd rounder or a 1st and a 4th? That makes no sense. With regards to Flip… I could stomach losing him for Semin, though I would hope that they take Hudler as compensation for Flip. And no on Tatar. He has too much potential. The only way I would include him is if it were Hudler, Tatar, and a mid-to-late round pick for Semin. No more than that and it would have to be the absolute only way we could get Semin.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Jul 14, 2011 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions
a 2nd rounder or a 1st and a 4th? That makes no sense.
Typo, switch the two highest picks in that scenario. This is the 2nd time I’ve made that same mistake. Not sure what the mental block is on that.
by J.J. from Kansas on Jul 14, 2011 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Let us hope they would be dumb enough to just take the second rounder
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Jul 14, 2011 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Considering how Washington's GM has been fleecing people
That one will go in the “maybe not” pile.
I hate Jonathon Ericsson.
I didn't think it was likely
but one can dream, right?
They essentially traded Varlamov for Tomas Vokoun and a 1st and 2nd round pick. There is no way they would bite on just Hudler.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Jul 14, 2011 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions
In their defense, they did not physically trade Vokoun. They balked at what he wanted and he went to Washington for way, way less.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Jul 14, 2011 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions
O’Brien is a hot head who takes dumb penalties. He’s a tough SOB (pun intended), but he’s less dependable than Ericsson in terms of taking a stupid penalty at an inopportune time.
I disagree
O’brien is a guy you can always depend on to take a stupid penalty
by Red, White and a Mile high on Jul 14, 2011 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions
I also concur about O'Brien.
The guy’s just a douche.
My deal.
My deal would be Abdelkader straight up for Semin. Take it or leave it, McPhee!
Would you rather be Kronwalled or Jarnkroked?
Getting away from Semin for a minute
I think we’re going to see an Ozzie retirement announcement soon. This is an extremely tight timetable by Red Wings standards, but I think we’ll see the Kenny-Ozzie meeting tonight, Ozzie retirement press conference tomorrow, and Conk announcement on Saturday.
I could see that
I love that the Wings are showing Osgood the proper amount of respect by talking to him first before making a move. It shows that he’s valued by the organization, and it doesn’t burn any bridges if Osgood is not brought back. Perhaps goaltending coach in GR?
It just seems rushed to me
How long did they wait to officially announce Rafalski’s retirement, 4 days? The quick turnaround is the biggest reason why I’d be skeptical about it. I could see them announcing a contract extension for Ozzie on Saturday as well. I guess the only way I’d be surprised is if the Wings signed someone other than Ozzie or Conklin.
I imagine it all depends on what transpires in their meeting. If Osgood says he’s done, they probably won’t drag it out because he’ll be at peace with his decision and Holland will want to move forward. If he does 250 jumping jacks without tearing muscle from bone, he’ll sign a contract right then and there.
As a hockey fan, I hate mid-July.
Couldn't agree more.
As a hockey fan, I hate mid-July
by SlapshotGoal on Jul 14, 2011 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Not quite. Rafalski had a meeting with Ken one night and then had his press conference either the next morning or two morning’s later.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Jul 14, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I remember it being common knowledge on Monday or Tuesday
and the press conference was on Friday, but I could easily be wrong.
by Rob Rogacki on Jul 14, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
He did not meet with Holland until a few days later, though. And, in all fairness, he said he had decided back in April what he was going to do but waited until the playoffs were done before making it public.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Jul 14, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
i think the picks would be more along the lines of 2nd and 3rd
because our picks are so late they are basically next round picks
emmerton, hudler, 2nd and 3rd
or
mursak, hudler, and 2nd
What’s wrong with Emmerton? We’ve not seen much of him, but I’m wondering why everyone wants to trade him… so it seems.
Get your Al the Octopus for the playoffs
byjenniferleigh.etsy.com/
Part of it is that we haven't seen much of him
If he were higher on the depth chart than Mursak, he would have played more games than Mursak did last season. I feel I should know more about him, but I just wasn’t horribly impressed in the very small sampling of playing time I’ve seen from him.
by J.J. from Kansas on Jul 14, 2011 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions
No one wants to trade Emmerton, he’s just the most expendable good prospect in the system. Mursak is a potential 2nd liner and Tatar, honestly, has the potential to be playing on our top line in a few seasons. Emmerton is an unknown quantity and the only reason he is spoken about so often is that we cannot send him to GR without clearing waivers, which he surely will not do (Ritola and Leino were the last non-Meech Wings to go through waivers for Grand Rapids and they were both scooped up quite quickly)
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Jul 14, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep
To get a guy like Semin, it’s going to require a proven roster player (Hudler), a prospect (Emmerton), and a pick(s). The only way Washington would trade Semin for another player on the Wings straight up was if Franzen went the other way.
Ponder that one in your noodle for a second.
by Amerinadian on Jul 14, 2011 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Considering I'm quickly becoming a Franzen hater...
I could actually see that happening. Franzen really disappointed me this past year. It makes me sad to see that he has talent and just looks freaking lazy as hell skating around.
Get your Al the Octopus for the playoffs
byjenniferleigh.etsy.com/
by Josh Howard on Jul 14, 2011 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Semin is, by far, more consistent. If we could get him to agree to a long term extension before the trade, I would be open to it.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Jul 14, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Not sure
Franzen is a proven playoff player, and although streaky he puts up the major points when he is. I don’t like the fact that this trade would trade a long-term, playoff-proven player with nearly a $4mil cap hit for a one-year, playoff-choker with nearly a $6-7mil cap hit. Doesn’t make sense in my book.
The only way I’d make this trade would be for hudler, emmerton, 2nd round pick. That way, Franzen AND Semin would be lighting it up
by Mike Raymond on Jul 14, 2011 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Not sure if that is sarcasm or purposely dissing Franzen's dissapointing season
No matter how talented Semin is or how badly you want him to be a Wing, he is one of the most prolific inconsistent talents in the league. He is arguably the most inconsistent player in the NHL.
I wouldn’t swap Franzen for Semin, although the latter is probably more talented, the mule is a proven playoff monster, while Semin….has been on the Capitals.
It is somewhat sarcasm… but it is also true. Franzen will score 5 goals in a game and then not score for a month. He will largely disappear one month and then the next have 5 game winners. You never know what you are going to get with him and it is becoming an issue.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Jul 14, 2011 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Semin will just flee to whoever has the most money next season
I’d rather be yelling about Hudler sucking while having cap space and prospects than yelling about Semin with no cap space or prospects.
I hate Jonathon Ericsson.
What if Washington allowed us to contact Semin and his agent and work out a deal before the trade was made?
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Jul 14, 2011 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions
In that case
I would be more receptive to the idea, but I think he’s just going to want far, far more than he’s worth to a strong organization.
I hate Jonathon Ericsson.
On goaltending...
I was one who voted NO to bringing Ozzy back, but perhaps he is the best choice given the circumstances. I hear there may be a dark horse…. I hear ole Manny Legace is looking for an NHL gig these days. I do not remember when he was here, mainly because I was not in Detroit or watching hockey. One has to wonder if Legace wouldn’t make a decent backup? He’s continued playing hockey for the past few years so rust probably wouldn’t be a huge problem. Any thoughts?
Get your Al the Octopus for the playoffs
byjenniferleigh.etsy.com/
No
Legace was a very capable backup a while ago, but if we’re going to go with a broken-down guy who is well past his prime, I’d rather there be some sentimentality attached to it and go with Osgood. Hell, I’d rather go with Joey Mac over Legace.
Ok
Just a thought. I really don’t know anything about him except that he’s on the older side.
Get your Al the Octopus for the playoffs
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Legace wasn’t all that bad when he filled in for Cam Ward two seasons ago. 28GP, 10-7-5 with a .907 SV% and 2.81GAA. Not great by any means, but not bad either.
That said, he hasn’t played an NHL game in 15-ish months, 18 by the start of the season. He wasn’t able to make the freaking Islanders last year and is getting old. I really do not think he is what we need.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Jul 14, 2011 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions
If Legace comes back
prepare for a LOT of jokes about him crying. He was fairly sanguine for a goalie during his time with us.
by J.J. from Kansas on Jul 14, 2011 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
where i heard about Legace...
http://detroithockeyreport.com/2011/07/14/daily-digest-july-14th/
Get your Al the Octopus for the playoffs
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Clearly this dude just has a boner for Legace
In six seasons with the Red Wings Legace amassed an astounding 112-34-16 record, 13 shutouts (7 in 05-06), 2.29 GAA and .916 SV%.
He forgot this key stat: zero cups.
Didn’t Legace basically get run out of Detroit? Or… was that Joseph?
Get your Al the Octopus for the playoffs
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Bit of both
Legace was run out after 2006 when he was pretty brutal against the Oilers. Hasek made his triumphant return to Detroit and got them to the WCF. Joseph left after Hasek came back and there was a lot of animosity and splintering in the dressing room.
Pretty much
They were both pushed out of Detroit. Bringing back Hasek meant the end for Joseph and bringing back Osgood meant the end for Legace.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Jul 14, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
In hindsight, they were the right moves. Without Hasek, the Wings don’t get to the WCF against Anaheim, and without Osgood, they don’t win a Cup in 2008 or get to the SCF in 2009.
by Amerinadian on Jul 14, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Oddly enough, if we had stuck with Hasek in 08, there would have been no cup either.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Jul 14, 2011 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Speaking of Which
WHY THE HELL DID OZZY NOT WIN THE CONN SMYTHE THAT YEAR OR IN 09!
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Jul 14, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Caps seemed like a good idea when I was writing it. Now? Not so much.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Jul 14, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Because
He’s Ozzy…
Get your Al the Octopus for the playoffs
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by Josh Howard on Jul 14, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Because he lost. Plain and simple. Had the Wings won Game 7, I have zero doubts that Osgood would have gotten the Conn Smythe. Unfortunately he wasn’t so dominant that he was going to win regardless of how his team did (like Thomas would have this year).
by Amerinadian on Jul 14, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
What about in 08, though? I will admit that I was freaking pissed and screamed some profanities when Z was handed the trophy. It should have been Ozzy.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Jul 14, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
It was close...
but Z’s defensive play and offensive support during the final series changed everything. Ozzy was real good and had a Conn Smythe-deserving performance, but Z had a better postseason overall, IMO
by Mike Raymond on Jul 14, 2011 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Z won the Conn Smythe based on his PK shift in Game 4 when the Pens had the 5-on-3. That kind of thing sticks in voters’ minds.
by Amerinadian on Jul 14, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
The way I see it, the Conn Smythe is the player judged to be most valuable to his team in the playoffs. We could have won without Z. Both Datsyuk and Franzen had absolutely amazing runs. Without Ozzy, we would have been knocked out in the first round without any doubt in my mind.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Jul 14, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't know if I would say we could have won without Z
Remember that Franzen was hurt for part of the playoffs, or otherwise a lot of people would have pegged him for the Conn Smythe. Z was vital to the team’s success against Pittsburgh, essentially making Crosby a non-factor.
I do agree though, I think Ozzie should have won it.
by Rob Rogacki on Jul 14, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
"when he was pretty brutal against the Oilers"
if memory serves me well, the Olympic break destroyed Legace that season. he had awesome first-half numbers and was one of the best goalies in the league to that point; then he disappeared after the Olympics. that all culminated with the series which i’ve been trying to forget against Edmonton.
You wanna tell me that to mah face?!
by uvgt2bkdnme on Jul 14, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Cujo was run out of town
They sat his $8M dollar ass in the minors when Hasek came back.
And I don’t have a boner for Legace but his stats with us were pretty amazing, he was a great backup. He was kinda a bitch when he did finally get to start. He told the media that he wouldn’t come back if they lost in the first round, then got spanked by Edmonton.
you just got Kronwalled!
by DeathtotheHawks on Jul 14, 2011 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions
That’s a pretty crappy attitude to have.
Get your Al the Octopus for the playoffs
byjenniferleigh.etsy.com/
like it was his choice or something
I’m sure the real story went like this
Holland: If you fuck this up your gone
Legace: yes sir (goes and hides in the corner)
you just got Kronwalled!
by DeathtotheHawks on Jul 14, 2011 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Legace will forever be known as one of the best backups to play the game. Much like his coach when he was a starter, though, he was just not a great starting goalie.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Jul 14, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Back on topic..
This Semin deal doesn’t have the KH intangibles like a character guy, a player who is looking to “come back” or to prove himself and is willing to sacrifice some cash for a chance at wearing the winged wheel nor is there a financial or tactical fit. He has already said in the cap world you have to develop through the draft so why would we give up draft pics AND prospects to acquire a guy with pattern of laying down in the big games – not to mention losing all of the cap space we have for future trades when the pickings improve?
No, I don’t see this happening
There's nothing like the sounds, sensations and smells when stepping onto a clean sheet of ice
by Number9Loyalist on Jul 14, 2011 10:15 AM CDT reply actions
I see your point, but...
The face that Datsyuk is on this team makes Semin’s Russian presence a lot better. I’m sure his attitude would change, given the fact that he’d playing on a line (potentially) with one of the greatest playmakers/danglers in the world. If the trade happens, this may be another Hossa-type situation, but I wouldn’t mind for the chance to win this year. Hudler is frankly disappointing, we can easily replace emmerton, and we have plenty of skilled prospects in our system already. We need to strengthen on D, but we still can do that without a 1st or 2nd round pick (especially with Kenny’s talent of trading draft picks pre-draft). I wouldn’t trade for him for more than that, Filppula is more valuable, and I don’t see anyone else being trade bait.
Now if Semin wants to stay long-term, I agree that it won’t happen. With Kenny trying to resign both Kronwall and Stuart next off-season, as well as potentially offering a big-name D-man a long-term contract, we need the cap space. This slightly changes if Lids retires, but we’ll see.
by Mike Raymond on Jul 14, 2011 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Russian presence?
As I remember, that didn’t work out too well during those last Olympics, with that supposedly stacked team and all. Semin seems like the next coming of Kovalev, and as devilishly great as Datsyuk is, it won’t help his consistency at all. If you want a sniper on his line, you may as well just bump Franzen up.
And this seems like a large price to pay for a guy if he’s only going to be a rental.
I see YOUR point as well, but...
losing all of the flexibility that having a ton of cap provides makes this Semin trade look less likely. All of the leagues GM’s know that we have needs, that we are open to discussions about a top 4 offensive threat, an uber back up goal tender or a top 4 d-man. If we trade for Semin we forfeit the chance for Kenny to do what he does best – which is to find a bargain – can you say Cleary or Drapes or well, you fill in the blank – and KH has done this so many times over the last 20 years. Also, I think he is learning to manage the cap world and a part of that is sandbagging cap space through the trade deadline. Thoughts anyone? #9
There's nothing like the sounds, sensations and smells when stepping onto a clean sheet of ice
by Number9Loyalist on Jul 14, 2011 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Trade
Let’s not be too quick to send washington the world here. Last time we traded for their hot scorer we got burned. We sent them Tomas Fleishmen (sp?) and picks. One of the picks ended up being I believe Mike Green. All we got was Half boards Lang. The guy never left the half boards on the pp or the rush. Like he was held back by unseeable rope from going to the high risk high reward areas. So proceed with caution. & NO 1st ROUND PICKS!!!!
I think we've done enough for the summer.
We have a full roster with only the back goaltender question to be answered. Any more moves by the Red Wings will be after making their selections and sending the rest to the farm teams. I mean I love My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic but I’m looking at December before the new season starts. So here’s to the future season and an almost seemingly endless summer. No more trades, please.
I like the picture of Ozzie
He looks ready for the last Harry Potter movie to come out.
Fan of the Detroit Tigers, Lions and Red Wings.
Semin trade = Not good
I cannot support a hockey player who fights like a girl…
“That is not a National Hockey League player”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDRCpN4OMpM
New York Islanders
Do you think the NHL will stick to it’s guns ? They claim “Teams simply are not permitted to play games unless their roster fits within the floor-to-ceiling range.”
So say Wang plays hardball and don’t hit the cap floor i just can’t see everybody getting a free pass and getting to play less games that other teams do even if it went a month into the season the Pens, Rangers and Fla would only have to play 80 games .
But i don’t know if the NHL can step in and force Wang to pay players more than they are worth or reopen all of the contracts they did this summer and pay the players more to hit the cap floor
Show me the CUP
I thought all that happens if you don't reach the floor
Is that you’re rendered ineligible for revenue sharing. Which New York already is ineligible for because they play in the New York market, which isn’t eligible to receive revenue sharing anyways.
Someone correct me if I’m wrong though.
by eight_legged_freaks on Jul 15, 2011 6:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Every report I have read says you cannot play a game if you are under the floor or over the cap or dress less than 18 players. The only exception I can think of is the Devils last year dressing 16-17 skaters due to injuries and cap woes.
That said, I believe if a game is cancelled, it is made up at a later date (think Jiri Fischer). Garth Snow won’t be dumb enough not to hit the floor, though. He already can’t get free agents, that certainly will not help him one bit. On top of that, the fines he would face for doing it would be unimagineable. Not on the level of the NBA threatening to fine the Portland GM $1 million for saying “Yeah,” but it would be substantial nonetheless.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Jul 15, 2011 6:55 AM CDT up reply actions
The CBA does not differentiate
Being below the floor is the same as being over the cap – it is noncompliance.
Teams can be fined, management can be fined, and the league can force them to forfeit games. This is all at the commissioner’s discretion.
by J.J. from Kansas on Jul 15, 2011 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks guys.
I read it in a comment section on Lighthouse Hockey somewhere, so that’s where I got my information from.
Thanks for clearing that up.
by eight_legged_freaks on Jul 15, 2011 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions
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