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Shared Ice Time Stats For Pav and Z in the San Jose Series

by ChuckyD on Aug 25, 2011 9:59 PM CDT

I figured I would take a break from hacking on the code and post what might be some fun or, depending how you look at, depressing shared ice time stats.

During the recent playoff series against San Jose:

Datsyuk had 2:32:35 TOI. The Wings scored 12 goals and San Jose scored 4.

Zetterberg had 2:33:56 TOI. The Wings scored 13 goals and San Jose scored 3.

Ok. So Dats and Z had almost identical TOI during which time they kicked San Jose's ass. Let's dig deeper.

They spent 1:17:57 shared TOI. The Wings scored 10 goals and San Jose 0.

So I am not a hockey expert but I think we did well when Z and Pav played together.

Zetterberg had 1:15:19 TOI without Datsyuk. The Wings scored 3 goals and San Jose 3.
Pavel had 1:14:38 TOI without Zetterberg. The Wings scored 2 goals and San Jose 4.
During the series as a whole the Wings scored 18 goals and San Jose also scored 18.
This means that:

Approximately 56% of all the Wings goals came with Pav AND Z on the ice together.
Pav and Z were on the ice together for (roughly) 17% of the series ice time.
Either Z and/or Pav was on the ice for approximately 52% of the series.
100% of San Jose's goals came when Pav And Z were NOT on the ice together.
61% of San Jose's goals came when NEITHER Pav or Z was on the ice.
Given that Z and Pav had almost identical total TOI for the series they spent almost exactly 50% of their individual TOI together.

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Whoa, Man. You opened my eyes. That was a really interesting breakdown!

by meetyourmako on Aug 26, 2011 2:44 AM CDT reply actions

Z was on the ice for 72% of all Red Wings goals in that series. It was a close series, but they out-depthed us.

by J.J. from Kansas on Aug 26, 2011 7:06 AM CDT reply actions

Thanks to Hudler, SJ had a shorter bench to deal with.

I hate Jonathon Ericsson.

by Brion on Aug 26, 2011 7:28 AM CDT up reply actions

No Franzen either

by EthrDemon on Aug 26, 2011 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions

Rec'd for easy-to-understand analysis

It’s amazing to see that Z and Pavs shared more than a game’s worth of ice time together and were never scored on during that span.

Detroit4Lyfe

by Rob Rogacki on Aug 26, 2011 9:15 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs

How much of that was San Jose matching up?

In other words – was SJ sending out Thornton et al against Pav & Z, or was it more of their checking or 3rd line? If it was the latter, they really weren’t out there to score goals. If it was the former, then that just shows that Thornton isn’t all he’s cracked up to be (except in diving) – even up, if you’re the top line, you’ve got to be able to get some points against the other team’s top line.

by Kendal on Aug 26, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions

Joe Thornton

was on the ice for a little over 1 hour of Datsyuk’s ice time.

Marleau: 1 hour, 16 minutes
Couture: 51 minutes
Heatley: 49 minutes
Devin Setoguchi: 48 minutes
Clowe: 42 minutes
Pavelski: 37 minutes

Much of those times are overlapping with one another.

If you’re looking at even-strength time only (since that’s really the only time line-matching happens) – Thornton was out for 39 1/2 out of 54 1/3 of Datsyuk and Zetterberg’s shared minutes.

by J.J. from Kansas on Aug 26, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs

Joe Thornton is a terrible diver. Who’s talking him up?

by meetyourmako on Sep 1, 2011 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions

Amazing stuff

The things this program will be able to do this season are making me feel warm in all the right places.

Plus, if ever there was a case to be made that the Wings’ best players are better than the Sharks’ best players, here’s the evidence.

Winging It In Motown

by Amerinadian on Aug 26, 2011 10:09 AM CDT reply actions

Another fun one:
Lidstrom and Thornton shared 1:19:40 of 5v5 time with both goalies in net.

The Wings outscored San Jose 4-1 in that period.

by ChuckyD on Aug 26, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions

To be fair… how did Z and Pavs do against Dan Boyle?

by Apocalyptic0n3 on Aug 29, 2011 6:43 AM CDT up reply actions

Zetterberg made Boyle his personal bitch.
They shared 1:17:29 TOI during which time the wings scored 6 goals and sharks 0
They shared 1:3:26 ES TOI during which time the wind scored 4 goals and sharks 0

Pavel did not do quite as well but still OK
They shared 1:05:46 TOI during which time the wings scored 4 goals and sharks 3
They shared 0:53:13 ES TOI during which time the wind scored 2 goals and sharks 3

When all three were on the ice
They shared 36:02 TOI during which time the wings scored 3 goals and sharks 0
They shared 29:22 ES TOI during which time the wind scored 1 goals and sharks 0

by ChuckyD on Aug 29, 2011 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Addendum

When Pavel was on the ice with Boyle but without Z:
They shared 29:44 TOI during which time the wings scored 1 goals and sharks 3
They shared 23:51 ES TOI during which time the wind scored 1 goals and sharks 3

When Zetterberg was on the ice With Boyle but Without Pav:
They shared 41:27 TOI during which time the wings scored 3 goals and sharks 0
They shared 34:14 ES TOI during which time the wind scored 3 goals and sharks 0

by ChuckyD on Aug 29, 2011 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

So when the Wings inevitably play the Sharks in the second round after defeating the Yotes in 8 months, we should make sure Dats is never on the ice against Boyle alone and the Zetterberg is on every single time Boyle is. I say we pair Z with Bert and Abdelkader to make things easier on Pav the next time he is on the ice. No Boyle at all.

by Apocalyptic0n3 on Aug 29, 2011 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions

You’ll have Burns to deal with next season.

by meetyourmako on Sep 1, 2011 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions

Datsyuk vs. Burns last season

6:17 shared ice time during the regular season. The Wings scored 1 goal (assisted by Datsyuk) to the Wild’s 0.

Burns did have 2 blocked shots in those six minutes though.

That all tells us… approximately nothing.

by J.J. from Kansas on Sep 1, 2011 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions

Come on JJ

During that 6:17 of shared ice time Datsyuk won 4 face-offs and lost 3.
Oh wait that isn’t relevant either.

by ChuckyD on Sep 1, 2011 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions

…these stats are astounding.

by Apocalyptic0n3 on Sep 2, 2011 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions

I wonder how much Pavs non Z stats were hurt by Mule limping around like a wounded….. Well, Mule?

by BLOOD RED on Aug 31, 2011 5:20 AM CDT reply actions

Interesting question

Pav and Mule spent 36:28 TOI without Z
During that time the Wings gave up 2 even strength goals and scored 0.

Pav spent 38:10 TOI when neither Z or Mule on the ice.
During that time the Wings gave up 2 even strength goals and scored 2 even strength.
Pav scored one of them and assisted on the other.

by ChuckyD on Aug 31, 2011 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs