NOW It's a Rivalry: Wings 3 - Blues 1
We've long maintained around here that the Detroit Red Wings and St. Louis Blues do not have a rivalry. Sure, they've been division rivals long before a lot of us were fans, back to the old Norris Division days when every game was a knock 'em down, drag 'em out slugfest and only the strongest survived.
Those days are gone, and over time the Blues have dealt with under-achieving players and injuries. This has led to a plummet in the standings, and the Wings began to find new teams to hate (the Penguins, Ducks, etc).
This season is a different story. The Blues went and got themselves a new coach who has been able to get the most out of the talent that exists on the roster, and they are healthier than they have been in quite some time, even with the absences of Alex Steen and Andy MacDonald. So when they rolled into Detroit just one point behind the Wings for first in the NHL, the game took on a very playoff-like intensity that made this game very entertaining to watch. By the end, I think we can safely say that the rivalry has been re-ignited, both among the players and fans.
So what happened tonight? Bullets after the jump.
- Whatever it is the Wings are doing in the first period of these games, they need to reverse that shit and fast. For the 4th straight game, the Wings came out of the gates very slow and allowed the Blues to assert their gameplan by outskating the Wings in every zone. Once again, the term I'd use to describe their play through the first 20 minutes would be "sloppy", but I'm going to chalk this up to being at the tail end of a brutal stretch of schedule that ends on Wednesday night.
- The flip side of that is tonight marked the 11th time the Wings have won after giving up the first goal. They currently own the NHL's best record in winning percentage when scored on first at .579%. Moral? Giving up the first goal doesn't mean shit.
- Fighting after clean hits is the stupidest fucking thing. Brad Stuart landed a clean hit on Alex Pietrangelo. Chris Stewart comes out and immediately gets in Stuart's face and the two throw down. Stewart got the better of Stuart in the fight and also got a 2, 5, and 10. That's the kind of crap that doesn't need to be in hockey. If it was a dirty hit, I have no issue with going to fight Stuart. It was CLEAN. Puck was there. Shoulder to body. Deal with it and keep your head up. Wings got a PP and capitalized on it, and I believe that was the turning point of the game. That's twice that Stewart has put his team in a big hole with a dumb play, and this time the Wings made the most of it.
- The second period was probably the best physical period by the Wings I've seen all season. That Stuart fight got them going and they were doing what Babcock instructed and taking the body and throwing some checks out there. Stuart, Ericsson, and Helm seemed like they were hitting everything they could.
- Babcock for President...Czar...Dictator...everything. Shut up Pierre and let me do my job now.
- Speaking of Helm...kid is a rock out there. Might be his best game of the season. His line was buzzing all third period. Miller, Cleary, and Danger were forechecking like madmen and getting some great pressure.
- I take very perverse pleasure in watching the Blues implode when they don't get their way. It's like watching my 3 year old whenever I tell her she's not supposed to do something; she tries to hit everything in site and just ends up sitting on the "time out" step, crying because she got caught. The Blues have a long way to go before they can be considered true Stanley Cup threats, because losing their cool the way they did in the third period won't help them in the playoffs. And David Backes can do something better than anyone on the Wings, and that's lose his composure and take unnecessary cross-checks to the backs of Wing players. What a leader!
- Pressure down low would lead to an Ericsson one-time from the blue line, Franzen, doing his best Homer impression down low, shakes the defender, grabs the rebound, and sneaks the backhand past Halak's pad to give the Wings the lead. If I had to sum up the second period for the Wings I would choose three words: Physical, Forecheck, and Pressure, 3 things which bode well headed towards the playoffs.
- Tonight was a goaltending clinic by both teams. Jaroslav Halak got the start for the Blues after Brian Elliott faced Detroit in the first four meetings, and he was great. Jimmy Howard? He was better, and he made some spectacular saves when the game was still in doubt. The save on Stewart with about 7 and a half minutes left in the third was absolutely huge, and the kind of "big save" that can win playoff series. He easily earns Player of the Game honours for last night's performance. Oh, and the Blues would be wise to stay out of his crease in the future:
I will admit that I am legitimately disappointed that these two teams don't play again until April. Each game has gotten more and more intense, and if there is a playoff series between these two teams I think it's safe to say we can expect an all-out war. For those keeping score, tonight marks the Wings' 17th straight win at home, but it's going to be a few weeks before they can add to that streak, as they hit the road for a date with the Canadiens on Wednesday before earning a few days off at the All-Star Break. The Wings will hit the break with at worst a 1-point lead in the Western Conference, and have guaranteed themselves the drivers seat as we get ready for the stretch drive.
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I'll say one thing about the Blues
they certainly play like a team that has David Backes as their captain
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by rock n rye on Jan 24, 2012 8:17 AM CST via Android app reply actions
Chris Stewart comes out and immediately gets in Stuart's face and the two throw down.
Is Stuart’s face in the back of his head? Because I’m pretty sure that’s where Stewart assaulted him from.
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That was Jeff's "point"
But after watching it again, I’d say that Stewart approached Stuart face-to-face, and then the fight began.
Ya, Stew didn't go about this the right way.
But he did go face to face and your Stu even dropped his gloves before our Stew.
by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 24, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
He knew what was coming
It was asinine of Stewart to come across the ice and make a beeline for Stuart without even so much as a thought to playing the puck. His intentions were crystal clear, which made giving him the instigator penalty a very easy decision.
by Amerinadian on Jan 24, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
I know this.
Could’ve AT LEAST waited until later in the shit to call him out. Dumb penalty, but I like he is trying to do SOMETHING to get his game on track Looks to Patrick Berglund. From his perspective, he sees a borderline hit to our star youngster and he stands up for him.
I will say I didn’t think you guys had it in you to outphysical us for long periods of the game, but you did that in the second and third. We got manhandled.
by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 24, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
Folks always seem to underestimate that aspect of the Wings' game.
When push literally comes to shove, the Wings know how to hold their own and even dominate the physical aspects of them game when they need to. Last night, St. Louis challenged them in the 1st, and Detroit responded in the 2nd and 3rd (and maybe caught the Blues off guard a little bit too).
To me, I think the turning point actually came when Nichol scored.
I think right then you guys said to yourself, “Self, Scotty FUCKING Nichol just scored on us. Unacceptable.”
by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 24, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
In my head, it was Babcock who said that.
And if there’s anything I’ve learned as a Wings fan over the past half decade, it is you DO NOT want Babcock mad at you. Shit’s scary.
Yep
Some people will equate toughness with fighting or big hits. Toughness is more mental than anything else, and the Wings have it in spades over 99% of their opponents.
by Amerinadian on Jan 24, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
Which is also suspension worthy
You cannot leave the bench with the intention of starting an altercation. See Jean-Francois Jacques. I don’t really care, but “Hey, the rules are the rules.”
I’m pretty sure Stuart dropped them first so he didn’t get sucker punched. Not saying Stewart would have, but in that kind of situation, Stewart was on a mission, so you never know what he was going to do.
Well he technically left the bench...
But it was on a natural line change. He didn’t just hop the boards when we had five already on the ice.
by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 24, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
Which, unfortunately, is still a suspendable offense. He made no indication he had any intent other than fighting Stuart. He never even skated in the general direction of the puck. He went straight for Stuart, only moving to avoid running a teammate over. I’m sure he’ll be getting a call from Shanny, though I doubt there will be a suspension. Just a “just so you know, we will look at this the next time you do break a rule”
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Jan 24, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions
That's probably what he should get.
At the time, without seeing it on replay, it looked like he did get Petro’s head. Stewart may have seen it out of the corner of his eye and took matters into his own hands.
I know you guys think Stew is a goon for his earlier hit this year, but these are literally the only two instances I have seen since he has become a Blue that have been borderline dirty. If your enforcer, Jimmy Howard, had done the same thing, you guys would be cheering him :)
by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 24, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd for truthiness
If your enforcer, Jimmy Howard,
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by Robocop on Jan 24, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You’ll notice that I never once said anything about whether it was a dirty hit or not because I know that Stewart didn’t have time to see a replay of it before he jumped on the ice. Regardless of the situation, he cannot do that. It’s the equivalent of Dwayne Robertson rushing onto the ice to save his teammate with his lasso. You just can’t do that. It’s not a hockey plan, it’s not even a defensive play.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Jan 24, 2012 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
I doubt there will be a suspension
and don’t even really want there to be one.
I definitely agree with the “call him to warn him” plan.
by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 24, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
I'm definitely in this boat
I mean, what’s the point of having penalties in the game if everyone should be suspended for committing an infraction?
And if he starts making a habit of it, the auto-suspension that kicks in after 3 instigators will take care of that.
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Truth
These suspensions should be saved for the worst of the worst… at least the three game and up variety.
by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 24, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
And I'm not saying that Stuart started the fight.
But to say Stewie came from behind, sucker punched him, and Stuart had no chance is just wrong and dishonest. And I know whoever said it up top realized that after looking at the replay. Just wanted to set the record straight it was just a blind side fight.
by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 24, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I was just going off the replays I’d remembered from last night.
Seeing a video, it was a straightup fight.
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Yep
And again, I’m not saying Stewart was right for the fight, but as we do with referees sometimes when calls go for our team and against the other… he is a human and makes mistakes. Just like you saw the fight and thought Stewie gooned it up, maybe Stewie saw the hit and from his angle thought it was dirty and to the head, and went over to settle the score. He probably saw the hit on replay after the game and said to himself “Uhh maybe I shouldn’t have done that.” Or maybe not.
by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 24, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think it took watching a replay
I think it took watching the ensuing 10 minutes from the box and seeing the awakening of the sleeping bear to realize he shouldn’t have done that.
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Ya
And it was actually 17 minutes from the box. We got him back with a little under 5 minutes left in the 2nd. And he was one of our better players last night, so that really did hurt us even after the PP goal.
by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 24, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
I can see that
What makes me laugh is the concept that Stewart should have done what he did REGARDLESS of whether he actually knew it was a clean hit.
… that somehow down the road, the answer to “they’re laying bodies on us” is “take dumb penalties”.
That fight was the turning point for the team that so many Blues fans thought was soft. St. Louis got to see Detroit’s enforcer last night; it’s the power play. Bruises heal, but memories of the scoreboard last on and on and on.
by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 24, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
Stewart skates right to Stuart
They are face-to-face, a little shove from Stewart and then both drop the gloves. There was no assault from the back of his head. Here’s the video.
Brendan Smith fan
by JeffHancock41 on Jan 24, 2012 8:40 AM CST up reply actions
I guess so
I was going off memory from the replays they showed last night, but all I ever kept catching was after Stuie was already being thrown around like a ragdoll.
Figured by that and the instigator he got jumped. Guess I was wrong.
Watching the video, it was a good clean start and Stuart just got beat.
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good eye! yeah stewart was really close to hitting stuart from behind which would have netted him a call from shanahan for sure. i’m so totally sure that would have helped out the team getting suspended for a few games…what a goof!
"If we knew what the outcome would be it wouldn't be called hindsight."
Nice to see a win probability chart
that’s more than just a flat line.
by ChuckyD on Jan 24, 2012 8:45 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
There were a couple shifts in the 1st that helped swing the momentum
Probably @ 7-8 minutes to go, and the Wings put together back-to-back good shifts. Helm’s line was definitely the first shift – then I think it was Z’s line, we spent 90 seconds or so in the St. Louis zone and got some momentum. Then Stuart’s hit on Pietrangelo and the flood gates opened and the Wings pretty much controlled the game the rest of the way.
Speaking of Pietrangelo – he got crushed by Stuie, corkscrewed by Datsyuk and wasted again by Helm. Not your typical good day at the office for him. Wings got lots of momentum courtesy of his being on the ice – way to go Hitch!
I hardly noticed him
he probably asked Hitch not to play him against Datsyuk – he was in fear of getting his face rearranged again.
Not thuggery
but the guy was interfering with people like a motherfucker.
by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 24, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
Standard fair
for a douche like him. Plenty of other thuggery to go around from others…..everyone having to stand up for Pietrangelo
by Kendal on Jan 24, 2012 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Everyone but Pietrangelo, apparently.
by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 24, 2012 10:00 AM CST up reply actions
good call J.J.
Jackman was usually jacking whoever his man was, tons of non called interference on that pisspoor excuse of a hockey player
Yeah, posted that in the Quick Hits thread. Absolutely pathetic on their part.
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Jan 24, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
not sure if it’s pathetic or just typical.
I agree with Graham though – each game this year (except the 2nd in StL) has gotten more entertaining. Too bad we don’t see them again until April, which probably won’t matter because they’ve had their playoff run (now) and with that wicked schedule they have, they’ll be staring up at the playoffs and we’ll be sitting pretty up in 1st place in the Central.
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Thanks for the laugh. I love it when they get all worked up over us. Did that guy jizz all over himself because someone referenced a minor league team from Ohio and “playoffs” in the same thought?
This!!
Babcock for President…Czar…Dictator…everything. Shut up Pierre and let me do my job now.
Abso-fucking-lutely! I love interviews when Pierre gets tossed out of the bench area just like Stewart did with that dumb-fuck instigator penalty.
Ignoring the "rivalry", last night was the first time in awhile we saw the prototypical Red Wings win.
You know. The hard work, the physical-but-not-over-the-top play, luring the opponent into crossing the line and then making them pay while in the box, big goaltending when it counted most. THAT is the style of play we saw in the Phoenix series last season, and every series in 2008. It’s that game the Wings need to harness and provide consistently come April, May, and June.
Every year other fans want to tell us how the Wings are soft, we know that’s not true, and now so do the Blues’ fans. Our guys took the hits, delivered them back, and weren’t pushed over the edge. That’s not being soft, that’s having mental toughness.
I will take the Red Wings’ mental toughness over any team’s reckless physicality.
Pierre McGuire is a blithering dimwit.
by Brion on Jan 24, 2012 11:21 AM CST reply actions 19 recs
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by Josh Howard on Jan 24, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
Last night felt like we were finally watching the Red Wings
Don’t worry J.J. I’m right there with you.
I'm a Homer
by holmstrom96 on Jan 24, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
Perfectly said
This is exactly what I was thinking I wanted to see when I wrote the “Who Are the Wings?” post. Last night they imposed their will on the Blues and forced them to adapt, which they were unable to do.
The most important thing is not that they got the Blues rattled: it’s that they made them pay when they took their stupid penalties with a power play. You know, the true way to actually hurt another team.
by Amerinadian on Jan 24, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
Even Keith Jones said that very same thing on the NBC-SN wrap up after the game. They made em pay with PP goals. I will admit that I like Jones on there – for a former Av, he’s ok and he doesn’t get all worked up negative when the Wings are on. The Avs have like never been on Vs, so I don’t know how he reacts when his former team plays.
Rec'd
Also: Det had 22 hits after the 2nd….not sure what the game total was, but 22 after 2 is quite a total.
by Red, White and a Mile high on Jan 24, 2012 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
From reading a little bit over here I know you guys hate Backes and think he's a goon
but can we, in a show of unity, all agree it was pretty classy of him to jump over Howard last night and putting himself at risk of being injured? Somebody wrote this over at our board, but thought I would bring it over here to give you guys a chance to gasp pay David Backes a compliment.
by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 24, 2012 12:10 PM CST reply actions
Actually
It was one of your guys that brought it up over there… Kjell.
by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 24, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
I don't think we hate Backes
I think we are more poking fun that one of the commenters at SLGT said “that Detroit wished we had a forward as good as Backes.” I could find the quote but i’m lazy, sorry.
I think it was very classy of him to leap over Howard instead of running him. But I also think it wasn’t classy of him to cross check our forwards in the head repeatedly. But I certainly wouldn’t mind him being on our team. I’m not going to give up a Datsyuk for him though.
I'm a Homer
by holmstrom96 on Jan 24, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He can get worked up and do some stupid things now and then.
But I think he’s still trying to figure out where the line is between being a leader and standing up for guys, and taking dumb penalties in some situations.
And he may not be the most complete player, but after having him on my team and seeing him develop the last few years, there aren’t too many other players I would rather have over him.
He also does a lot of good work in the STL community. My uncle has worked with him on a couple charities and says he is as good of a person as they come. So I might be a little biased on him since I have inside information on him as a person.
by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 24, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
I think there are few hockey players that aren't nice guys.
Its awesome that he does all the work for the STL community.
I think he is a great player, and just needs to work on dumb penalties. I think Babcock could help him shake that habit.
I'm a Homer
by holmstrom96 on Jan 24, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
The guy basically said Backes is the most complete player in the league
In the game Backes had two goals and 2 assists adding yet another line in the book of get this man a Selke. In the NHL today what team has a player that does all of the things that David Backes can do and do them consistently better then he? That’s right folks, There is not a forward in the league that can do all of the facets of the game as well as Backes. Count the Blues fortunate and lucky to have his services for the next 5 years.
And that is just stupid, aside from 4 point games don’t earn you Selkes (or Malkin would run away with it because he has 5 point games!). The only time I don’t like Backes is when his panties are in a bunch so he goes around cross-checking everyone in the back of the head. He tried to get Helm and Datsyuk last night but they saw him coming.
Pierre McGuire is a blithering dimwit.
I don't know about the fact points don't get you Selke's.
Without doing much research (read: any research) it seems like the last few guys to win them have had pretty substantial point totals. Just like the gold glove in baseball, it seems that you have to have pretty good offensive totals to be considered. That shouldn’t be the case.
by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 24, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
Draper has won the Selke
The last couple years have been mostly about takeaways. Which is why Datsyuk is always considered for it, because he backchecks like a beast.
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by holmstrom96 on Jan 24, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah but Drapes won
when Yzerman was his centerman for most of the year, and he had like 16 goals or something. It was his career high in goals is all I remember.
Not true.
It was ‘04 and Draper broke the 20 goal mark. Yzerman wasn’t centering the line, Draper was, with Maltby on one side and a rotating cast of wingers on the other. I remember it vividly because of how badly I wanted him to get it. I think Malby and Draper’s SH work is was really garnered attention because I believe they ended up with a combined 9 SHG on the year.
Pierre McGuire is a blithering dimwit.
Yes, offense matters to the Selke, but
He doesn’t mention the defensive aspect at all. In fact, I’d find it impressive if someone with a 47% faceoff record is even considered for the Selke.
For the record, the last 4 Selkes have gone to Kesler (1) and Datsyuk (3). And I think it should be the case. In hockey, you are offense and defense at the same time. When you’re strong defensively in all 3 zones AND put up a ton of points, you should be recognized. I am almost scared of the point totals created by Datsyuk takeaways. Defense creates offense.
Pierre McGuire is a blithering dimwit.
Not to get into a pissing match, especially over stupid subjective awards, but...
The Frank J. Selke Trophy is an annual award given to the forward who best excels in the defensive aspects of the game. NHL.COM
The last player to win the Selke while scoring under 20 goals in a season??? Ron Francis in 94-95. Almost 20 years. You can’t tell me there hasn’t been a better defensive forward all those years that scored under 20 goals. Now if the criteria were the best defensive forward that also shows superb offensive ability, then I would have no problem with this fact.
by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 24, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
Yep, we're digressing from the point
Which was 4 point games don’t get you Selke trophies, otherwise there are much more deserving players. The award is going to Toews or Datsyuk anyway.
Pierre McGuire is a blithering dimwit.
I'm still rooting for Jay McClement to be given one retroactively
by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 24, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
And 94-95 doesn't count
because it was lockout shortened.
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Ahhhh look at that...
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by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 24, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
And in that case it was 91-92
when Guy Carbonneau had 18.
by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 24, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
The 20-goal mark is a side effect of selecting the players who face the opposing teams top scorers on a nightly basis.
Do you really want to give a trophy to a 4th line grinder who is really good at keeping the all other teams 3rd line off the score sheet?
by nickname1234 on Jan 24, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
No, but there has had to be ONE
Guy in those 20 years that had a down offensive year, but was still the best defender. I don’t really care that much. Just pointing out that offensive stats DO help in the Selke race.
by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 24, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
really hard to say
probably?
Quantifying “who excels in the defensive aspects of the game” is darn near impossible because a players defensive responsibilities vary from team to team with the coaches defensive strategies.
It is far beyond the my scope of hockey knowledge to come up with a list of guys from around the league who excel in their roles in their defensive system in a way that I would notice, and then come up with a justification for giving one of them an award.
In all honesty, this is probably beyond the scope of most hockey journalists as well so the voting is reduced to reviewing the statistics and watching some highlights of forwards making goal saving plays.
It would be interesting to see what the coaches (and their assistants) around the league would come up with for Selke nominations and awards.
by nickname1234 on Jan 24, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
Brad Stuart does a horrible job of meeting the defensive responsibilities of a forward in Babcock’s system. Right from lining for the faceoff; out of position and it only gets worse from there – someone always has to cover the areas he is supposed to be.
Still does a better job than Kane though.
by nickname1234 on Jan 24, 2012 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That's what I like to see
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by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 24, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
So what's the argument here?
Backes puts up points and also plays defense. That’s very nice. He may very well earn Selke consideration. However, he’s basically worse in every category that should be looked at for the Selke other than PKTOI, and he’s only leading that by about 00:30 per game.
Datsyuk has more points, more takeaways, better Corsi, better plus/minus, better faceoffs, and is just an all-around better player.
I don’t even know if Backes is 2nd in the consideration here, but I can tell you that he doesn’t belong higher than Datsyuk
by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 24, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
No argument
Other than the Selke should just be about defensive metrics, not take into account offensive production. And to be honest, I just got the NHL network this year. I am finally able to watch lots of out of market games. I really couldn’t say who should win any subjective award because I don’t really know too much, other than stats, of other guys around the league. Especially in the East.
by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 24, 2012 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
It’s amazing how much your view broadens when you start watching out-of-division and even out-of-conference games.
I would say that part of the argument about having to put up points to win the Selke is that it really does separate the shift-wasting defensive black holes from the truly talented. There’s something quietly impressive about watching a guy like Sammy Pahlsson make an opposing line disappear, but unless that defense is coming in the form of actually making the scoreboard tilt in favor of your own team, it’s still only a half-game and I’m kind of glad they don’t award it based on that.
Basically, if you want a breakdown of how Selke voting should work, I think this defines it very succintly
by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 24, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions
I personally like the way Oshie plays more than Backes
Backes scores the grinder goals. Oshie can score some highlight reelers and plays with more skill. I also like how he can lay big hits and backcheck too. Although he was relatively quiet last night.
by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 24, 2012 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
I will admit that he did the right thing
whether he did it out of classines, fear of taking a penalty for “running the goal tender,” or fear of Howard’s left hook…I don’t know
by Red, White and a Mile high on Jan 24, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
There's a lot of misunderstanding about Backes going on with what you guys are reading in to what's being said
To tell the truth, I don’t hate Backes. I think it’s unfortunate that he plays for the Blues, but I don’t think he sucks.
The concept that he’s the MOST COMPLETE PLAYER IN THE GAME, as brought up by Donut King on his trash blog is absolutely laughable. But, just because I don’t think Backes is anywhere close to being the most-complete player doesn’t mean I think he sucks.
I actually gained a lot of respect for him in the All-Star game last year when somebody asked if he would try to hit Nick Lidstrom and he answered “I’ve been trying to do that for years.”
As for complimenting him on not running Howard? No…
You don’t give compliments to guys for not doing what they’re not supposed to do. Backes would likely be answering a phone call this morning if he had used what little contact there was to bowl over a goalie Lucic-style.
I begrudgingly like David Backes and would love to have him on Detroit’s roster.
by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 24, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
There’s really no hate towards Backes on WIIM. The hate is all toward the writers who say things like this
In the game Backes had two goals and 2 assists adding yet another line in the book of get this man a Selke. In the NHL today what team has a player that does all of the things that David Backes can do and do them consistently better then he? That’s right folks, There is not a forward in the league that can do all of the facets of the game as well as Backes. Count the Blues fortunate and lucky to have his services for the next 5 years.
It’s incredibly humorous when someone says that despite there being at least a dozen better two-way players in the league
by Apocalyptic0n3 on Jan 24, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
I’ve been reading this blog for over and year and finally joined.
At any rate, I think last night was the Wing’s best game all year (minus the 1st period). Also the first time in years I’ve been able to go to bed at night happy, comforted by the fact that a Grind Line is back. I won’t say THE Grind Line because Malt, Drapes, and McCarty were amazing but still..
p.s…. Am I the only one who noticed Babcock trying his damnest not to smile? LOL
Welcome
The response to being outskated and beaten physically in the first was exactly what I wanted to see from the Wings.
From SLGT
Red Wings win again with another home victory over the Blues. Jimmy Howard is a blocker-swinging little bitch and chugs dicks. – bradflick55
I think they are just upset they don’t have a goalie with a fiery attitude and 30 wins on their team.
I know 99.9% of my fellow SLGTers will disagree with this.
but it’s good to come over to the other side and get their perspective on things. I enjoy it. Just like I am more conservative than liberal, I enjoy watching shows like Bill Maher, Maddow, etc. At the very least, it makes a person more knowledgeable and you can see where the other side is coming from even if you don’t agree with it.
by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 24, 2012 1:26 PM CST reply actions
It's a 2 way street here.
You’re respectable, we’re respectable. We have quite a few regular posters from enemy blogs that we’re on good terms with.
Pierre McGuire is a blithering dimwit.
One thing we can agree on...
is that the little blurb above your name is true. Pierre McGuire is a dipshit.
by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 24, 2012 1:38 PM CST up reply actions
It does go both ways here
nice to hear from someone from SLGT that actually does want to hear a differing point of view – even if you don’t agree, at least we can have a civil discussion about it.
I’ve been to Saavis/Scottrade a number of times for Wings/Blues games and usually had someone decent sitting next to me/us – not always (and those experiences were so completely classless that I won’t discuss them anywhere).
Glad you stopped by. The Blues have the makings of a decent team there – it will be interesting when “Winter Hitch” shows up because he’s not getting what he wants. They talked about it last night before the game on the Wings pregame (IIRC).
Oh I think we will be fine
He seems like he has changed a bit and isn’t quite as intense. We shall see though.
And to your point, I actually kind of like discussing stuff over here better because it is more interesting than just preaching to the choir. Plus I learn a thing or two over here and become a little bit more worldly.
by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 24, 2012 3:07 PM CST up reply actions
At the very least, it makes a person more knowledgeable and you can see where the other side is coming from even if you don’t agree with it.
You can’t understand another person’s point of view if you don’t know what it is.
This is what I think too.
And in order to have a proper debate and be ready, you have to know what their talking points are going to be and what attacks they will make against yours so that you are prepared for both.
by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 24, 2012 2:30 PM CST up reply actions
im going to give you props
we all talk shit form time to time but i can at least respect someone that doesnt jump right off the deep end. you are one of those guys. its the difference between one of those guys that you can go watch a game with and bust each others chops when your respective team does bad… and the guy that throws his protein shake at you and blows up into a drunken roid filled rage.
Well thanks.
Another really good friend of mine is a Hawks fan. We watch both Blues and Hawks games together. We give each other some pretty good shit leading up to and during the games, but after I think you can be civil and honest. There’s stuff I disagree with you guys about (namely some calls and your opinion of some of our players and in turn my opinion of some of your guys), but you don’t have to go directly to name calling.
- Although full disclosure, I did call JJ a “doucher” in a post about the Datsyuk/Jackman incident. But if you know me and my friends, between us the meaning is closer to buddy than it is to anything disrespectful.
by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 24, 2012 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
just so you know....
you won’t get much “love” for Jackman at all around here. Most of us still want him to give the Calder back to Zetterberg, and we still can’t figure out how he won and Z didn’t.
Oh I know.
Don’t expect it.
To be honest, I didn’t like him much at all the last few seasons. He isn’t a top pairing dman like he was forced into playing. But this year he is playing his role well. He gets the piss beat out of him, but will not miss many games. He is a warrior for our team. But again, I don’t expect you to like him. Just like I hate Holmstrom.
by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 24, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah... I'm going to have to change it when Homer retires
so he can comment on WIIM without being confused.
I'm a Homer
Well
To be fair JJ IS a “doucher”
Brendan Smith fan
by JeffHancock41 on Jan 24, 2012 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
I can take most things but this was just gutless
Didn’t you guys lose to the Avalanche in the Conference Finals after that?
I think that’s where the term Draperised came from. God bless Claude Lemieux.
by El Nate on Jan 24, 2012 3:21 PM EST
he's just trolling
He’s classless and brainless and incompetent when it comes to real discussion so he has fallen to this.
by Red, White and a Mile high on Jan 24, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
Eh, when you’re reduced to trying to get people to have this reaction, then you’re not worthy of eliciting that reaction.
by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 24, 2012 2:37 PM CST up reply actions
To those who keep thinking the wings are soft
have you not watch the playoffs at all in the past 5 years? (i know if you are a blues fan you werent haha) but seriously. those were some of the nastiest physical games ive ever seen. the sharks, the flames, the ducks. those were some violent, goon filled, series. and in 08 and 09 i do believe the wings played in the very last game of the playoffs. when one of the reasons people think you are soft is pavel then obviously they dont know wtf they are talking about. its obvious yet again. FIGHTS = TOUGHNESS… GRRR.
and on a side note...
what are the odds we see howie add to the long history of detroit goalies that kick ass? i smell another goalie fight in our future lol
Some talk of this on here last night...
I think an Ells/Howard scrap is what this rivalry needs. We almost had it when Howard jumped DP57 earlier this year. Ells was at center ice but didn’t cross so as not to take a penalty at a crucial time. I wish he just woulda done it.
by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 24, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
Yep, but never know.
Crazier things have happened during games in Detroit ahem Pacers/Pistons melee ahem. And Ells really likes this team and his teammates which is why he already resigned. And Howard is obviously fiery to say the least. I think something could escalate if Howard gets into a third scrap with the Blues this year. It will never happen with Halak.
Now watch, it will be Halak and Conk that gets into it next game.
by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 24, 2012 3:14 PM CST reply actions
Whoops meant as a reply to the above comment.
by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 24, 2012 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
Interestingly enough – THAT didn’t happen in Detroit proper, it was in the posh (read – more affluent) suburbs. and it was the NBA. douchebag fans involved too – not that hockey and the NHL doesn’t have those, and all it takes is for some player to get all riled and get hit with one too many “beverages” and there it goes. The boards and glass help too – but there is still a part of me that thinks the NHL has so much more class than the NBA – AND, hockey teams are actually TEAMS, rather than a bunch of spoiled, WIFM millionaires that basketball “teams” have.
I’d be shocked if it was Conks, unless he was coming to someone’s defense, who was standing up for him. Then again, it’s still crazy to me to think that the big brou-haha between the Avs and Wings was started by Larionov (who was completely tired of Forsberg hacking and whacking him) – 3/25/97.
Ya, I'm not betting on Conks going at it either.
He was one of my fav Blues when he was on the team though. He seems like a cool dude.
by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 24, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
I think Conks just enjoys playing in the NHL. He’s a really good teammate and understands his role – and he gets pissed at himself if he doesn’t perform well. Jimmy’s playing so well that Conks doesn’t see much ice, so he really wants to do well when he gets out there – so far, except for a couple games this year, he’s done really well. We’re glad to have him….and we were excited here when you let him go, we had that pick up predicted @ 2 hrs after the Blues dropped him
Hey Detroit...
A good day just got better for you. Prince Fielder just signed with the Tigers.
by TheFlyingCavallinis on Jan 24, 2012 3:48 PM CST reply actions

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