Quick Hits: Happy Birthday Hudler

by JeffHancock41 on Jan 4, 2012 6:19 AM CST in Quick Hits

Hockeytown, No Limits

Henrik Zetterberg's line spurs Red Wings to road victory over Stars | The Detroit News | detroitnews.com
Hank, Flip, and Whoodler were easily the line of the night.

Detroit Red Wings coach Mike Babcock thinks Nicklas Lidstrom should be All-Star team captain | MLive.com
So does everyone else, Mike.

Jakub Kindl struggling to step into lineup | The Detroit News | detroitnews.com
Not going to lie...Commodore and Ericsson are playing pretty decent together. Maybe bring Kindl back for some games and show him off as trade bait.

Red Wings GM Ken Holland pleased by junior prospects | Detroit Free Press | freep.com
The future is bright for the Wings.

KuklasKorner : The Malik Report : Red Wings-Stars wrap-up and overnight report: A little too ‘interesting’ (and Pulkkinen at WJC news)
Malik's got you covered for anything and everything about last night's game...plus more.

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Around the NHL

Stars Drop 5-4 Decision to Detroit Red Wings - Defending Big D
Your game recap from down south.

Tuesday’s Three Stars: Lupul’s 4-pointer; shootout beauties - Puck Daddy - NHL Blog - Yahoo! Sports
Check out the shootout goal by Jussi Jokinen

Canada's comeback falls short, Russia advances to WJC final
Canada almost did the impossible last night. Crazy game.

12 Quick Thoughts on the Winter Classic - The Triangle Blog
Katie Baker of Grantland adds her thoughts about this year's Winter Classic.

NHL - John Buccigross looks back at his preseason picks and revises them - ESPN
Buccigross still thinks there is 50% chance that Shea Weber or Zach Parise will be a Red Wings by the trade deadline. Pretty sure this is just his gut talking and he has no inside information though.

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Discussion: What would you give up for Weber or Parise? Be please be realistic too. You're not getting either guy for Hudler and a first round pick. You have to give up something of significance to get something of significance. It will take a hell of a lot to get Weber too because he's in the division.

Let's Go Red Wings.

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What would you give up for Weber or Parise? Be please be realistic too.

Jamie Benn

by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 4, 2012 7:10 AM CST reply actions 1 recs

?

Al Sabotka?

by Red Wing Nut on Jan 4, 2012 7:16 AM CST up reply actions

Honestly

I’m not sure who I’d realistically give up for Weber because I’m not sure there’s a package of players that makes sense for both teams. Kindl & Hudler are probably part of either deal, but I’m just not convinced either Nashville or Jersey takes them. We may have to lose a talented prospect like Tatar along the way as well.

I just don’t even think that’s being realistic, but I’m not interested in trading away Filppula or Franzen, who are more likely to be part of the realistic price for them.

by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 4, 2012 7:29 AM CST reply actions

As far as prospects go...

…anyone not named Smith, Nyquist, Pulkkinen and Jurco is fair game.

I’d trade Mrazek (his stock is high) and Janrkrok and Tatar are in play. I’d even consider Sheahan too. On the main roster, not too many trade-able assets other than Filppula, Kindl, and Helm. And I’d really only want to give up Kindl. I’d have to think long and hard about trading Flip. Depends what exactly comes back in return.

Brendan Smith fan

by JeffHancock41 on Jan 4, 2012 7:39 AM CST up reply actions

Has Commodore's play made Kindl expendable?

If the Wings were realistically going to get a player like Parise or Weber, it’s going to cost them in terms of both prospects and roster players.

Like you said, Smith, Nyquist, Pulkkinen and Jurco would be untouchables for me. Anyone else, including from the current roster (besides the obvious ones) would be fine.

Basically, as long as the team was legitimately better by making the trade, I’m ok with whoever they give up.

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by Amerinadian on Jan 4, 2012 8:02 AM CST up reply actions

“Obvious ones” = Both Ni©ks & the Eurotwins?

by EthrDemon on Jan 4, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions

I'd trade away Franzen in an instant for Parise

Mule has all the talent in the world to be a 40 goal scorer, but he never will be because he’s lazy. Case in point during the first period last night – he could have had an easy goal after a great pass from Pav (?) but instead of firing it in like Mickey pointed out, he lazily tried to guide it in and Lehtonen was able to get over in time.

I’d give up Franzen, a first + second (could be separate years) and maybe an expendable prospect like Tatar. Kindl could easily be involved too, but I’d rather hang on to him

by Megistrus on Jan 4, 2012 5:00 PM CST up reply actions

absolutely

… Everyone we have would have been in play for me at the start if the season, and if I was Nashville I wouldn’t consider a deal that doesn’t include Smith.

But when we’re talking about a physical player coming off an ‘out indefinitely’ respite, I’m inclined to play hardball. Or start talking about Suter.

by Wizard of Corsica on Jan 4, 2012 8:00 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions 1 recs

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Brendan Smith fan

by JeffHancock41 on Jan 4, 2012 9:29 AM CST up reply actions

WJC

It was a hell of a comeback last night, even if Canada fell short. Russia was one of the favourites heading into the tournament, so there’s no shame in losing to them.

The only thing I don’t like is seeing all the American fans take such pleasure in seeing the Canadian kids lose based on the actions of the stupid Canadian crowd. As a Canadian, I’m embarrassed that the fans at the games were so vocal in cheering against the Americans, especially in games that didn’t involve Canada, but these are 18-19 year old kids who are playing for their country. Regardless of what side you’re on, they should be cheered, or if you’re against them, then stay silent.

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by Amerinadian on Jan 4, 2012 8:04 AM CST reply actions

Sorry man

but it’s give and take.

by moore00 on Jan 4, 2012 8:14 AM CST up reply actions

Agreed

I understand why it happens. I just don’t get it, at least at the junior level.

Personally, I don’t understand why the Canadian crowd gets so worked up by the Americans and not the Russians. The US has never been a historical rival for Canada, even if they have won a couple of tournaments from them. Russia has been the thorn in the side of the Canadians for a long time.

Basically, the US is the Blues to Canada’s Red Wings.

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by Amerinadian on Jan 4, 2012 8:19 AM CST up reply actions

Basically, the US is the Blues to Canada’s Red Wings.

While I agree with this statement and understand it… I think I just threw up in my mouth for a second.

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by Josh Howard on Jan 4, 2012 8:29 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs

if i were drinking something

i definitely would have spit it out

You wanna tell me that to mah face?!
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by uvgt2bkdnme on Jan 4, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions

Canada lost to Russia!!!!

USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!

GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD…NAY…GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE UNIVERSE.

Brendan Smith fan

by JeffHancock41 on Jan 4, 2012 8:30 AM CST up reply actions

That could be true

If it weren’t for the US winning exactly 2 games in a tournament they were a favourite in.

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by Amerinadian on Jan 4, 2012 8:51 AM CST up reply actions

Surreal

Based on only seeing the tournament on television, it comes across as a surreal, borderline scary environment. The kids seem more keyed up than usual; that to me partly accounts for the wild comebacks and extra curricular activities. Considering how on edge everybody seems to be it’s a credit to the participants that stuff like 1987 doesn’t happen more often.

From the US perspective, it seems like Canadians regard the WJC as ‘their’ tournament. For a long time it was the only true, annual international measuring stick (I think). And after all the concept of junior hockey was staked out in Canada. I’d be protective of that heritage too.

Don’t know exactly how that relates to antipathy toward the US, but there’s of course larger issues at play too.

by Wizard of Corsica on Jan 4, 2012 8:38 AM CST up reply actions

For a long time, Canada was really the only country that cared about the tournament, and consequently they have dominated it in terms of gold and overall medals. Most of the other countries hadn’t developed the talent to compete with the best 18-19 year old Canadians, which is why they won a lot. However, much like at the NHL and international level, the rest of the world is closer now in terms of overall talent.

Canadians are extremely protective of their status as the best hockey nation, and the WJC was always a place where we could count on our team being the best, and now that’s not even true anymore.

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by Amerinadian on Jan 4, 2012 8:57 AM CST up reply actions

Canadians are extremely protective of their status as the best hockey nation

I think that’s the biggest reason why so many U.S. fans root against Canada at this tournament every year (that, and that Canadians in the crowd for the past two WJC have been overall absolutely horrendously behaved).

Although, it’s not just me rooting against the Canadian juniors because of the crowd and the media, I switched over from the Wings game last night just in time to see a Canadian kid sucker punch a Russian in the throat when the game was still 5-1.

by J.J. from Kansas on Jan 4, 2012 9:11 AM CST up reply actions

I'd give up a fair bit for both

Stuart+Ericsson/Kindl/Commodore+Forward Prospect+ Plethora of Picks for either one.

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by Detroitnr1 on Jan 4, 2012 9:17 AM CST reply actions

They wouldn't want Ericsson or Commodore, Stuart is in a contract year with no reason to re-up with them.

And if I were Nashville, Kindl + prospect + picks probably isn’t enough unless the prospect is at least Nyquist.

by Brion on Jan 4, 2012 9:41 AM CST up reply actions

A realist trade offer for Weber...

Well that is going to be steep. Not just for our minds as wing’s fans but of hockey fans in general. We are talking about a a true number 1 dman who is entering the prime of his career age wise. You can count on 1 hand the number of dman who you might consider better or his equal. That is the kind of thing that cost a king’s ransom. In addition to that we are talking about a trade with a division rival.

With that background. I say they would DEMAND one of Nyquist/Smith. Given their need for scoring I would think it would be Nyquist. Something along the lines of:
Nyquist/Tatar/Kindl and our first and 3rd round picks.

You might convince them to take a package with more overall talent but less star power. Such as a package of Anderson/Mursak/Tatar/Nestrasil, with one of the recently drafted dmen and a 1st round pick. But I highly doubt they go for that. It almost a guarantee that it will cost one of the top 2 and most likely 2 of the top 5 prospects the wings have.

It safer honestly to wait until FA with Weber or Sutter. The cost of getting either of them in more then prohibitive. If one of Sutter/Weber signs that may change and then you could legitimately think about acquiring the other.

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by AirmanSD on Jan 4, 2012 10:08 AM CST reply actions 1 recs

Just wait for the off season

and try to sign one. The price to trade for either if them is too steep in my opinion. That’s not a slight against either player, I just think that it would be better for us in the long run to keep our prospects.

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by krett on Jan 4, 2012 10:52 AM CST via Android app reply actions

only problems with waiting

is there are quite a few teams in the West with the flexibility to trade for him before the deadline.

Also if we wait til the offseason we run the risk of Nick around when we roll out our shiny new toy.

by Wizard of Corsica on Jan 4, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions

that should be

we run the risk of Nick not being around. . .

by Wizard of Corsica on Jan 4, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions

Why not include Smith in the deal?

Weber is young as hell and is a proven commodity. Smith is only a couple years younger. The only positive on Smith is the cost control. If weber agrees to an extension at a fair price I would include Smith in a heart beat.

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by Eric @ PRBU on Jan 4, 2012 12:18 PM CST reply actions

Ok.

But given their desire to add scoring would you agree to a deal of Smith/Nyquist and a 1st and 3rd, or Smith/Tatar/Jarnkrok and a 1st and 4th (give or take on the picks).

I am nearly positive that they will ask for Nyquist in any deal since scoring is what they lack and they have solid depth in terms of defense prospects. Weber would be amazing in a winged wheel, but at what cost. And of course this assumes that other teams are not bidding thus increasing the price.

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by AirmanSD on Jan 4, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions

Oh I have no idea what it will take

nor have any suggestion as to what to give up. I am just saying that to hold Smith as an untouchable in this scenario is pointless because the wings would be getting someone back to play the position that smith plays as well as someone who is better and slightly older.

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by Eric @ PRBU on Jan 4, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions