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CSSI Analysis: Red Wings 3 - Flames 1

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Detroit came out of the All-Star break looking to get back on track after seeing an 8-game win streak snapped in an embarrassing loss to Montreal last Wednesday. Fortunately, they were able to shake the rust of the break and the emotion of a quite incredible ceremony in Calgary honoring Brad McCrimmon to overcome a tight-checking Flames team.

I thought referees Chris Rooney and Kyle Rehman did a good job of managing the game without taking it over with the way they called penalties. In a Red Wings game that nearly featured two fights, they did well to keep control of the situation when called for. Unfortunately, Detroit's special teams lost the battle in this one, as they failed to put the game away on any of their three power play opportunities and allowed Calgary's only goal on one of their two chances. Detroit was outshot 29-25 in this one thanks in large part to a dominant 2nd period from the Flames.

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Goalie Ratings

Jimmy Howard was a big difference-maker in this game and will win a +1 in the head-to-head rating for the big saves he made all night. I felt he struggled with the puck a couple of times, but overall had decent rebound control and enough help from his defense to make up the difference otherwise. With the Red Wings getting outplayed through the 2nd period and Howard preventing a Calgary go-ahead goal, I feel his play averages out to a +1.5 overall rating. The Calgary PP goal wasn't a soft goal, but I think he could have prevented it if he got his glove all the way on it. Still, that doesn't detract much from how many he DID stop.

Scoring and plus/minus analysis after the jump

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The Goals

1st Period 05:57 - Detroit Goal: Cory Emmerton (wrist shot) from Justin Abdelkader and Jan Mursak
Tom Kostopoulos carries the puck at center ice and dumps it into the Wings zone to go chase. Mursak uses his jets to beat Kostco to the puck easily and play it to Lidstrom on the safe side. Lidstrom holds for a bit to let the play develop before hitting Mursak in full stride coming through center ice from behind his own net. Mursak carries across the blue line and lays it off to Abdelkader on his right wing so he can go to the net and take Chris Butler with him. Abby uses the space granted by Mursak's wake to put a shot on Kiprusoff through a screen from the top of the circle. Kiprusoff stops the screened shot, but kicks the rebound directly to Cory Emmerton crashing the far side for an easy put-away. Mursak's speed is on full display here and has a lot to do with how it all develops. His backchecking and awareness coming back up ice will net Mursak a bonus plus. Lidstrom will get the third assist for the outlet pass as well.

Penalty Adjustment: Less than a minute after the goal, the Wings are again in the offensive zone trying to create chances. Datsyuk throws a puck at the middle of the ice hoping that Bertuzzi can get a stick on it through the coverage by Olli Jokinen. The puck gets knocked away, but Bertuzzi gets careless with his stick and ends up bringing down Jokinen. This is a minus for Bertuzzi.

2nd Period 01:59 - Calgary Goal (PP): Mike Cammalleri (backhand) from Alex Tanguay and Olli Jokinen
The Penalty - Todd Bertuzzi (interference): Bert kind of loses his mind early in the second period and hits Chris Butler behind the play to take this penalty. Minus for Bertuzzi
On the power play, Calgary pulls even thanks to some strong net-front play. Detroit kills the first minute and forces Calgary to chase down a cleared puck, but they get it back in when a very long pass from their own zone hits Iginla skating away from the Wings' zone. Iggy draws Ericsson up and dumps it in behind him where Olli Jokinen sweeps in to pick it up. Ericsson is actually the high man to Danny Cleary's low coverage here when Cleary steps toward Jokinen so as to cut off his angle up the boards higher in the zone and in the process gives Jokinen too much room to move from the half-boards down low to take advantage of a missing coverage in front. He skates to the low corner and dumps it to Cammalleri behind the net, who throws it immediately out front where both Ericsson and Cleary have recently vacated to chase their men trying to regain positioning. Alex Tanguay gets it here and has room to step into the slot for a blast at Jimmy Howard. Tiberius stops the shot, but can't hold onto the rebound as Cammalleri comes out from behind the net on the far side and is able to swoop in behind the defense to pick up and put in the rebound. Naturally, blame is going to fall to Cleary and Ericsson for a miscommunication which leads to the breakdown and the eventual goal. Cleary will get a half-minus on the play, as he needs to force Jokinen higher into the zone rather than lower. However, Ericsson makes a couple of goofs here which will combine to earn him a full minus. Chasing Iginla across his own blue line allows the Flames to set up and then taking too long to get back prevents them from stopping Tanguay out front.

Penalty Adjustment: 5:42 into the 2nd period, Olli Jokinen goes to the box for hooking on Nik Kronwall. Kronner is low in the zone after taking a pass and deking Kiprusoff clean out of his pants before shooting it wide. Kronner continues his one-man wrecking show by chasing his own rebound to the corner, where Jokinen is caught by surprise and gets his stick parallel to slow Kronner down. This play will earn Kronwall a plus.

3rd Period 11:29 - Detroit Goal: Jiri Hudler (backhand) from Valtteri Filppula
The game-winner comes off a little bit of luck which may or may not have been self-directed. The Flames try another long pass from deep in their own zone to a player at the offensive blue line to tip in. This time, the tip is intended to go to Iginla skating directly down the center of the ice at Ian White. Fortunately, an astute backcheck by Hudler takes the puck away and turns it back the other way. Hudler skates back to the hash marks before turning and throwing a pass to Filppula exiting the zone after having come back and in support before turning back around to start transition. Flip takes the puck off the boards just inside the neutral zone and does a very quick turn to aim at the middle of the ice. This turn forces Chris Butler to get his skates caught up while he adjusts and makes him fall down. Filppula recognizes this and steps around him to drive the outside lane. Jay Bouwmeester gets over to prevent Flip from cutting in front of the net, so instead Filppula goes just behind the net to bring Kipper out and then throws a backhand designed most likely to hit off the goaltender and go in. Instead of this, the puck hits the post and comes straight out through the crease, where a late-crashing Jiri Hudler gets a stick on it to bang it home. The backcheck by Hudler and the pass to start the rush will earn Happy a bonus plus and a self-assist. Filppula makes a clever move to force the defense here and will earn a half-plus.

3rd Period 15:58 - Detroit Goal: Drew Miller (wrist shot) from Danny Cleary and Darren Helm
Just after the end of a Red Wings power play, they're able to add the much-needed insurance marker off the rush. Mark Giordano steps out of the box and carries the puck up ice into the Detroit zone where Cleary and Helm combine to take it away and get it to Ian White. White goes cross-ice to Kronwall, who crosses the ice from his own zone again to hit Helm in the neutral zone. Helm does the quick hook-and-ladder play to lay the puck there so Cleary can pick it up in stride and bring it to the center stripe. Mike Cammalleri steps up on Cleary, but Helm has also stepped into the rush and receives the pass on the wing from Cleary. Helm brings the puck across the blue line where he's pressured by Cammalleri from behind and Chris Butler along the boards. Fortunately, Butler doesn't recognize that Drew Miller is also joining the rush and Jarome Iginla is on the wrong side of the ice. This gives Helm room to go laterally off the boards about five feet to Cleary who is still moving with speed. Cleary receives the pass and gets behind Butler, creating an in-zone 2-on-1 with Drew Miller charging the back door and Cory Sarich caught as the D-Man who has to make a play. Cleary steps around Sarich as he moves over to pressure the puck carrier and delivers a backhand pass to Drew Miller on the back door for an easy put-away. First things' first on this play is to give the pluses that are awarded to Stuart and Ericsson back to Kronwall and White, their rightful owners. The D changes behind this play, but I feel that White and Kronner each have something to do with how this one turns out. In fact, Kronwall is going to pick up a third assist and White a fourth for their calm breakout. Cleary and Helm will each pick up a bonus half-plus for their work retrieving the puck from Giordano and getting it back up ice so quickly.

Penalty Non-Adjustments
1st Period 10:26 - TJ Brodie (slashing): The Wings are in the middle of creating a chance here, which is the sole reason a penalty is called, but this is a horribly weak slash to be giving anybody credit for drawing.
1st Period 15:51 - Mike Commodore & Tim Jackman (fighting): Both men engage in some post-whistle fun near Jimmy Howard's net. It's not a stupid fight nor a momentum-changer. I like it as a concept, but it's not worth an adjustment.
2nd Period 10:33 - Brad Stuart (interference) & Alex Tanguay (slashing): Even-up penalties. I haven't seen a good replay of this, so I can't tell you what happened.
3rd Period 12:56 - Tom Kostopoulos & Justin Abdelkader (roughing): This one got a bit chippy, huh?
3rd Period 13:36 - Mark Giordano (interference) Geodude & Cleary do a bunch of interfering with one another on this play, but the Flames D-man gets himself caught pushing Cleary's stick away from him after Danny loses it.

Bonus Ratings

+1 to Justin Abdelkader & Cory Emmerton: I felt these two were Detroit's best forwards through the first period with how well they forechecked and played in their own zone. Emmerton was rewarded with a goal for his efforts, but he also did all of the little things right. Abdelkader laid the body effectively and made an heroic shot block on Iginla short handed.
+1 to Valtteri Filppula: Flip was a defensive dynamo in this one. I still want him to shoot the puck more, but considering he was on the ice for so much time against Jarome Iginla and I felt he won that battle, I'm very happy with his level of play.
+0.5 to Henrik Zetterberg: Z also played a ton of shut-down minutes against the Flames' most dangerous unit. His bonus adjustment is lowered by one particularly bad turnover in his own zone late in the 2nd period.
+0.5 to Pavel Datsyuk: Pavel ended up with zero shots on goal, but still got himself very close to earning a marker. He also basically erased a resurgent Olli Jokinen from existence at 5-on-5.
+1 to Ian White & Nicklas Lidstrom: Detroit's top pair played exactly like one would be expected to in this one. These were the only two D-Men to carry a positive Corsi rating in this game and that was despite being the crew set to handle Jarome Iginla and his 5 shots on goal. I felt they did a very good job of slowing down the Calgary rush and making transition happen the other way.
+0.5 to Brad Stuart & Niklas Kronwall: The Wings' second pair had a solid defensive outing. Kronwall was a tiny bit shakier than Stuart, but he also made up for it in flashier ways.
+0.5 to Mike Commodore: Commie played fewer than ten minutes in this one, but he registered three blocked shots and 2 hits. He threw the body around well and stayed well within his positioning.

Honorable Mentions:
Jonathan Ericsson's two giveaways canceled some otherwise smart in-zone work on the boards and will leave him with no adjustment on the night. I actually liked the fire shown by Franzen, but I think he got himself shut down just as much as he was helping to shut down the Flames. Jan Mursak had an impressive showing in his 7:32 TOI. Hopefully as he regains his full game shape, he can start earning a few more minutes.

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I worry about the playoffs when we play 20 minutes of road hockey like that…I just hope they’re executing the “save energy for June” stratagem instead of actually laying road eggs. Although, we are 3-1-0 in our last four road games, I think.

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by Scott Kenny on Feb 1, 2012 7:50 AM CST reply actions  

I still wonder about the decision to try to turn Ericsson into a defensive defenseman; he still tries to rush the puck up the ice like a forward, and his positioning continues to be suspect. I like the improvement over last season, but not enough to warrant $3.25m… for what the Wings want him to do, Commodore is much more capable in the role, and makes one-third the salary.

I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that Ericsson gets dealt at the deadline.

by MenacingLlama on Feb 1, 2012 8:09 AM CST reply actions  

Jonathan Ericsson has a modified NTC. It’s not even clear HOW he’d go about being moved and the organization simply isn’t going to do it. Jonathan Ericsson and Mike Commodore are playing different defensive roles on their pairing. He’s moving up ice because he’s the defenseman on that pairing who is tasked to do that. I’d actually like to see him go below the circles in the offensive zone slightly more often.

by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 1, 2012 8:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Derp, forgot about the modified NTC… I wonder how “modified” it actually is? Any info on that?

As far as his offensive meanderings, him playing with Commodore is one thing — but pair him with Kindl and he’s supposed to be the defensive one. I don’t mind Ericsson being used as an offensive defenseman (hell, I’d actually prefer it), but having him be the stay-at-home guy one night and then be the puck-mover the next has got to be a little confusing. Besides which, last I heard the Wings were trying to make him into a physical, stay-at-home guy (don’t ask me to back that up with evidence or anything)…

by MenacingLlama on Feb 1, 2012 9:16 AM CST up reply actions  

We believe the modified NTC creates a 10-team “safe list” where Ericsson names 10 teams prior to each season that he could be traded to. This is all completely guesswork though, since the Wings never release contract details (it’s believed that Capgeek gets all the details for contracts straight from the NHL’s central registry). Ultimately, until one of the diggers gets that info, we’ll only be able to guess what exactly his modified NTC means.

I do believe that the Wings want Ericsson to fit the Brad Stuart mold more than the Nik Kronwall one, but it’s pretty clear that he’s better at the one where he’s free to carry the puck up ice. It may be that the Wings are looking for a physical depth defenseman so that they can give Kindl more of a try as the puck-mover (since I also don’t want him turned into a stay-at-home guy either).

by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 1, 2012 9:24 AM CST up reply actions  

I would agree with this

Especially since they have Brendan Smith who is coming up and plays a hybrid role similar to Kronwall. The Wings are going to have to find defensive defensemen, and Ericsson has the size and skating ability to fill that role.

by Amerinadian on Feb 1, 2012 9:26 AM CST up reply actions  

But the question remains: Can he change his game significantly enough to fit that mold?

Again, Commodore would be, at leas tin my opinion, an ideal partner for Smith; he’s a big, gritty, stay-at-home veteran, who is more or less dependable in his role, and trying to resurrect his once-promising career. It would allow Smith to utilize his considerable offensive talents and provide him with something of a mentor.

And cheap. Let’s not forget cheap.

by MenacingLlama on Feb 1, 2012 9:34 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I was trying to say this… Thanks Graham for reading my mind!

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by holmstrom96 on Feb 1, 2012 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

His positioning isn’t as bad as it was previously, but it’s still not great. When he’s got time to think about it and set up in the zone, he’s golden — but if he’s forced to make a quick decision, it seems like most of the time he’s just a bit off; forechecking pressure seems to get him rattled a little too easily.

Now, whether or not that’s communication, I can’t say… I’m not on the ice with him. But if that is indeed the determining factor in blown coverages, it is, BY FAR, the easiest one to fix.

by MenacingLlama on Feb 1, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, he’s still not good at outlet passes, but when the other team has the puck skating in on him, he’s gotten very good at driving them to the outside and pinching them off on the boards without taking penalties (although he still takes too many of those).

He’s still not quite worth $3.25M, but I’d say he’s getting closer

by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 1, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Well that’s the thing: The Wings have pretty much allowed Kronwall to play his game… now whether or not that’s because they simply gave up trying to make him into Lidstrom v.2 is beyond me, but it’s there.

Will they give Ericsson the same benefit? Only time will tell, but I’m a little more willing to entertain the notion that his leash is shorter than some believe. .

Am I wrong? Probably, but I like to think I’m not. ;)

by MenacingLlama on Feb 1, 2012 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

I think it’s pretty obvious that the Wings value Ericsson and see him as a vital component of their defense going forward.

Would you agree that Ericsson is better this year than he was last year? And that he’s even better than he was in his rookie year? I feel very confident in saying that he’s progressing in his development, but I don’t feel that his game has truly evolved.

A good comparable is Andreas Lilja; how many years would we talk about how terrible he was, only for him to become a dependable 3-6 guy that could be put out in certain situations and succeed?

by Amerinadian on Feb 1, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

See, I agree with that assessment, but the difference is Lilja was never given a relatively large “carrot on a stick” contract like Ericsson.

That’s my one and only sticking point with Ericsson: Ii he were paid $1m less, I wouldn’t have any problem with him being the 5-6 pairing guy he is now.

by MenacingLlama on Feb 1, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Small sampling

Here is what some of the top teams are paying for their defense:
Bruins: $18M
Hawks: $20M
Canucks: $19.775M
Rangers: $13.887M
Sharks: $20M
Predators: $17M
Kings: $22M
Blues: $15M
Wings: $21M

In a cap world, it’s about distribution of funds among a certain group of players. The Wings are in line with the other contenders, especially considering that $7M of their cap space for D goes to an all-time great.

Again, I agree that Ericsson is overpaid based on what he provides to the team, but if he does continue his progression and is a solid 3-4 guy in a year or two, his deal will be a bargain considering how over-valued defensemen are.

by Amerinadian on Feb 1, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

That’s a big “If” though.

Just out of curiosity, is that a total defensive allotment, or just the top six guys?

by MenacingLlama on Feb 1, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Disregard my question… some simple math at Capgeek gave me the answer.

by MenacingLlama on Feb 1, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Haha

No problem. I included anyone on the active roster.

by Amerinadian on Feb 1, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

What about Lebda?

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by Scott Kenny on Feb 1, 2012 11:50 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I did a quick Google on the NTC, and there weren’t any real details… oh well.

As far as the Wings’ desires for Ericsson, they’re just setting him up for failure. He was a forward previously, and he obviously (at least to my armchair eyes) has offensive aspirations still, so why they’re trying to cram him into a square hole just doesn’t really compute.

by MenacingLlama on Feb 1, 2012 9:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Just as a quick thought: If the Wings were to trade for Tuomo Ruutu, Ericsson would certainly be a player Carolina could use to bolster their suspect blue line. I know you guys don’t think E will be traded, but would that be a fair swap/starting point?

by MenacingLlama on Feb 1, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions  

He gets to pick 10 teams that he doesn't want to go to with his Trade Clause.

Carolina has to be on that list. No one wants to go to that Cluster Fuck.

Ruutu is also one of the most prized trade baits. Its going to take a lot more than Ericsson to get him. Think Brenden Smith.

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by holmstrom96 on Feb 1, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I’d rather not… heh.

by MenacingLlama on Feb 1, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions  

soooooo....

unexpected injury? random hit and run that sidelines him for the rest of the year?

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by Zamboni on Feb 1, 2012 9:56 AM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Ericsson was a forward when the Wings first were interested in him

Then a scout convinced him to switch to D. If he was more like Stuart, he’d be worth it. Stuart occasionally jumps in on the rush, and is never out of position. Actually, I don’t hate Shitbox so much this season.

Anyways, I meant to get at that he’s probably going to always try and flash some offense.

by shanny14 on Feb 1, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Mule

I thought Franzen played like poo last night, I noticed a couple of bad giveaways from him and he seemed to fight the puck a lot more than he should even when not pressured. He had one good shift on the 3rd line in the 3rd period where he was involved in setting up a big chance but really in that situation he should have been the dominant player on the ice and I still felt he was more a beneficiary of Helm’s speed and puck handling than Helm was of Franzen’s talent.

by gyldenlove on Feb 1, 2012 9:06 AM CST reply actions  

I had him closer to a minus than to a plus

But he DID engage more in this game than he has been recently. That’s not saying a whole lot, all things considered, but he certainly played more like a power forward with hands last night than a finesse forward with size.

by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 1, 2012 9:25 AM CST up reply actions  

I’m afraid he’s going to become the next “Enigma.” He’s got the skill and size, but for whatever reason he just lacks the… um… je ne sais quoi to utilize it consistently.

by MenacingLlama on Feb 1, 2012 9:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Except cheaper, bigger, and without the attitude problems. I’d still take Franzen 11 out of 10 times.

by MenacingLlama on Feb 1, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Not cheaper.

Semin has been living on 1 year deals and has certainly played his way down to a cheaper contract. Franzen is here for another 8? years, good or bad.

Pierre McGuire is a blithering dimwit.

by Brion on Feb 1, 2012 11:49 AM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Well, in the immediate term, he’s cheaper. Long-term, who knows? With the sheer amount of Semin-caked trade rumors, he’d probably be hard-pressed to earn a significant wad of cash.

I half-expect to see him in Russia next season.

by MenacingLlama on Feb 1, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Zetterberg

I had a crappy view of the game since I was watching online and could rarely tell who was who, but when the image was clear I didn’t see Hank on ice very often. But when I looked at the stats he skated 18+ which is around his norm. From what I did see of him on ice, he seemed to be skated better, like as if the ASB rest helped clear up a lower body injury he was playing through.

I know everyone has dings and chips going on, but Hank isn’t a tough guy like Pav and other teams like to run at him. Is it possible he’s really been fighting something in his legs or low back that have kept him from skating 100% day in and day out? Should we be worried about his health?

Even though he “looked” better skating last night, he still didn’t seem as agressive as 2 or 3 years ago.

by styks on Feb 1, 2012 9:35 AM CST reply actions  

I notice he takes a lot of abuse on his back. How many times do we see an opposing player come up and hit, push or cross check him in the back? I know he’s had problems with back soreness and injury in the past and it seems like other teams like to try to exploit it. It really pisses me off. The next time someone comes up to him and hits him in the back, I want someone to hulk out and beat the shit out of them.. Seriously though, it really does piss me off.

by SlapshotGoal on Feb 1, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Three things

1. The Giordano interference call was for pushing Cleary’s stick away from Cleary when he was trying to retrieve it.

2. The Commodore – Jackman fight was yet another case of a player wanting retaliation for a clean hit: Commodore had hip checked Jackman hard into the boards earlier.

3. It’s really annoying when Franzen coasts through a game, like he did in this one and so many others. Johann, move your damn feet.

by Brad Hughes on Feb 1, 2012 10:04 AM CST reply actions  

Updated the post to reflect the Giordano penalty better

I had written that up immediately postgame and then just missed the edit when I re-watched it. Thank you.

I guess credit to Jackman for not immediately instigating that fight, but I continue to hate having to fight after big, clean checks.

I still don’t feel that Franzen was coasting.

by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 1, 2012 10:17 AM CST up reply actions  

The only thing in that game that frustrated me with Franzen was that stupid no look pass to the Calgary player. Otherwise he was alright tonight.

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by holmstrom96 on Feb 1, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree

I thought he was more valuable than usual

by styks on Feb 1, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Anybody watch ths Canadian feed?

They showed Jay Bouwmeester seemingly intentionally getting the stick high on Datsyuk. Anyone else see this?

by RedWingFanInNC on Feb 1, 2012 10:34 AM CST reply actions  

Yep, don’t know what J-Bouw was thinking with that, but it looked like he tried to “spear” Datsyuk in some way and ended up catching his throat.

by MenacingLlama on Feb 1, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Should Franzen be benched for a game?

Does anyone else feel that maybe Babcock needs to sit Franzen out occasionally? His lack of effort is pathetic, especially when one compares what Holmstrom has done in such limited ice time this year. I wouldn’t mind seeing Homer in for a game over Franzen once his knees get better.

by RedWingFanInNC on Feb 1, 2012 10:40 AM CST reply actions  

He’s already been dropped to the third line several times in the last couple of games, so I don’t know how else Babcock could get through that “menacing grill” than to maybe sit him for a game. However, I don’t think Datsyuk, Bertuzzi, and Holmstrom is going to cut it as a first line, and I don’t know who else would slot in up there without mangling the current, well-working lines.

(Man, I am spamming up this analysis post, sorry)

by MenacingLlama on Feb 1, 2012 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Best I could come up with would be Datsyuk-Helm-Bert. I’m not sure how much sense that would make, but I wouldn’t mind seeing if Helm’s speed could create some room to let Pavel be the shooter more often or if he (Helm) can handle playing against top-line competition.

by EthrDemon on Feb 1, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I don’t know who else would slot in up there without mangling the current, well-working lines.

[takes in deep breath]

DRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 1, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions  

[gasp]

MMMMIILLLLLLLLLLLLLEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

(sorry, I’ve been on this bandwagon for a long time)

by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 1, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions  

o_O

Don’t get me wrong, I like DM just as much as the next guy, but really?

by MenacingLlama on Feb 1, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions  

What he means....

…is that we need to trade Miller to Montreal for Travis Moen, and put him on the top line. ;)

Detroit needs a fighter like a fish needs a bicycle.

by WingsFool on Feb 1, 2012 11:03 AM CST up reply actions  

I know you're just harassing JJ

but I read a report earlier saying that Moen is hurt and may not be back soon.

Pierre McGuire is a blithering dimwit.

by Brion on Feb 1, 2012 12:52 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Based on what I've seen from him and the way Babcock builds his lines

I would love to see a five-game test run with Miller as the mucking forechecking net-front body. He’s been playing that role extremely well this year.

Drew Miller has two fewer goals than Todd Bertuzzi does all season and Miller hasn’t had the benefit of working with Pavel Datsyuk and Johan Franzen.

I am 100% serious about this. If the Wings aren’t going to get a true top-six guy via trade, I want Miller on Datsyuk’s wing for a spell.

by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 1, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions   2 recs

And

He doesn’t take as many stupid penalties as Bert. Has Miller really taken any bad penalties this year? I can’t remember any. He crashes the net more than anyone on the team, too. I agree with J.J. But I’m still driving the Travis Moen Bandwagon Bus….

Detroit needs a fighter like a fish needs a bicycle.

by WingsFool on Feb 1, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

Miller's Penalty Minus rate

He has -5.5 on the season so far, which is below the other “net crashers”, Bertuzzi, Holmstrom, and Cleary. I’m pretty sure adding to his TOI would add to that and get him slightly more penalties earned, but I don’t think he’d approach catching up to Bertuzzi in that category.

by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 1, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Bertuzzi seems to take a stupid penalty just about every game. I can’t believe his Adjusted Penalty Minuses are only at -14.5. I guess he also does get a lot of “reputation” calls that get cancelled in the CSSI.

I don’t think Miller has anywhere near the hands that Bertuzzi does though.

by NMJ on Feb 1, 2012 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I see what you did there.

on Datsyuk’s wing for a spell

by SlapshotGoal on Feb 1, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

I suppose it couldn’t hurt, but if you need a guy with slightly above-average skill up there I’d give Cleary another go. Miller is most definitely playing above his pay grade, but I don’t know if Babcock would give him that shot before a more established guy like Buckets.

Besides, Cleary’s got to get going again.

by MenacingLlama on Feb 1, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Benched?

Hell no. He’s the most dynamic goal scorer the Wings have. You don’t take him out of the lineup.

I wasn’t blown away by Franzen last night, but I wasn’t disgusted, either.

Much like Ericsson, I think it’s a case of expectations vs perception.

by Amerinadian on Feb 1, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

A few random things

First, my 4-year-old daughter came up with the best one: she heard Todd Bertuzzi’s name mentioned, and said, “I like that Number Two-zie!” I think Bert and Smith should switch numbers, so we can call him Number Tuzzi.

Second, The Mule played a little better tonight, but still looked somewhat more like his alter ego, The Jackass, to me.

Third, what do you think Kindl’s real future is with this team? I think he has the chops, but isn’t being given that great of an opportunity as of yet. I know he’s stunk up the ice a few games, and that’s why they’ve brought Commodore in more often recently.

Detroit needs a fighter like a fish needs a bicycle.

by WingsFool on Feb 1, 2012 11:00 AM CST reply actions  

Franzen

I appreciate his hustle, which seemed more evident tonight, but it was still a too-little/too-late hustle. He was out of position on a lot of plays, and would try to hustle over for a rebound. Great scorers always seem to be in the right place at the right time. We need one of those guys. Franzen needs to be that guy.

Detroit needs a fighter like a fish needs a bicycle.

by WingsFool on Feb 1, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Commy and Hudler

I think we should keep em. Commodore is cheap and uses his body. Hudler is almost back to his old form and makes funny facial expressions.

by shanny14 on Feb 1, 2012 11:48 AM CST reply actions  

Commodore

If I were directing a movie about George Washington, I’d cast him to play our first president. There’s your random, weird statement of the day.

Detroit needs a fighter like a fish needs a bicycle.

by WingsFool on Feb 1, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions  

You would cast a Commie as the father of our country?

by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 1, 2012 12:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Sure.

He can take a punch.

And I see what you did there.

Detroit needs a fighter like a fish needs a bicycle.

by WingsFool on Feb 1, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Ugh

Links no work. Mike go lunch.

Detroit needs a fighter like a fish needs a bicycle.

by WingsFool on Feb 1, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply actions  

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