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Trade Deadline Craziness: Why Rick Nash Makes No Sense, Parise Does, and Why a Depth Forward Is the Best Option

Can you smell the euphoria in the air?

Rosterbators everywhere are losing their collective minds over the fact that Rick Nash (RICK NASH!) has been added to the trading block, right next to disgruntled (and far less sexy) Jeff Carter. It's making even the most sane and reasoned fans hold out just a little bit of hope that maybe, just maybe, when the dust settles on February 27th, Nash will be adorning your favourite team's jersey, and your team will be suddenly as overpowered as Superman.

And while Red Wings fans have become considerably less expectant for a HUGE deadline acquisition in years past thanks to Holland's inactivity over the last three trade deadlines, the prospect of a big bodied forward with A-List recognition like Rick Nash has is definitely causing swooning of epic proportions in small pockets of Hockeytown: No Limits.

But does Rick Nash make sense? Would he be a valuable addition? Let's take a closer look and see just how crazy it would be to acquire him.

Chapter 1: Rick Nash, the Overpaid

Rick Nash has been regarded as one of, if not THE premium power forward in the NHL. He's got great hands, he can plow through opposition like a wrecking ball through a wall of Lego, and has, on many occasions, angered Nationwide Arena staff because they've had to collect too many opposition jock straps from the rafters.

If the question here were: is Rick Nash a good player? Well then the answer would, undoubtedly, be yes.

But does he make sense to acquire, specifically for the Red Wings? Let's take a look.

Over Rick Nash's 9 year career, he has amassed 527 points, or roughly 59 points per season. He has had a 40 goal season exactly two times, and two seasons higher than 35. He had a career high 79 points in 2009, but has seen that total decline in each of the last three seasons (including this one) and he's currently on track for a 55 point campaign.

Has he had elite seasons? Yes. But now let's pair those numbers with his salary cap hit.

In 2009, Rick Nash signed a hefty 8 year contract extension that was backloaded rather than front-loaded (more proof that in Columbus, up is down). It pays Nash over $7 million a season, and sets his cap hit at $7.8 million a season. That cap hit alone is higher than any single cap hit currently on the Red Wings roster, and is higher than Lidstrom's was two years ago.

The headaches that $7.8 million would cause the Red Wings capologist Ryan Martin would be astounding. It immediately puts the Wings right up against the cap. It causes massive issues for calling up players to replace injured players. It doesn't allow the Red Wings to go out and find a true number 1 defenseman to replace Lidstrom when he retires. And, most importantly, it sees Rick Nash make over $1 million more than Pavel Datsyuk, and have a cap hit nearly $2 million over Henrik Zetterberg's.

Both those players have put up more points in a season than Nash, and in Datsyuk's case, it's been multiple times.

Plus, add in the asking price that Howson would be demanding (which most likely definitely starts with Tatar/Nyquist/Jarnrok/Mrazek and only goes up from there) and the Red Wings would essentially be crippling themselves in the future for one year of a decreasing-in-value Rick Nash.

Count me out on Nash, but count me in on...

Chapter 2: Zach Parise

Where Rick Nash makes no sense, Parise just makes too much sense. Only problem is the Devils have thrown a wrench into everything by, you know, being pretty decent and being in the thick of the playoff race.

Parise, who's contract expires this year, is an absolute beast of a goal scorer. He's averaged around 30 goals each year (not including last year's injury shortened season) and has put up over 80 points twice already.

While he's not a power forward like Rick Nash, he is a shoot-first, three zone player who would fit like a glove into Babcock's system.

But, he's not going to be dealt at the deadline. For reasons above, and because the Devils are hopeful they can get something done. If they can't though, expect old Kenny Holland to be aggressive in trading for Parise's rights.

Adding a young gaol scorer to this team would be downright lethal. Make it so, at least in June.

Chapter 3: The Reality

While visions of Rick Nashes dance in everyone's heads, the reality is, the Red Wings will probably acquire a gritty veteran in the Solid Snake mould to fill out the bottom lines. Emmerton fills the spot OK, but slotting in a Paul Gaustad or a Travis Moen would really upgrade this team.

And bringing in a solid veteran defenseman, on the cheap, would really give the Red Wings the depth they need should these playoffs become another war of attrition.

So for now, we watch and we wait and we read endless rumours. But one thing we've all got to remember:

With Mike Illitch as the owner, anything could happen. Just ask those Tigers fans over on BYB.

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If Parise makes it to free agency

he is going to make some serious money. He would have to be the premiere forward out there. I guess if Lidstrom retires Holland may be able to get him and a stud defenseman but, man, I have to think Parise may price himself out of a red wings jersey.

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by Eric @ PRBU on Feb 17, 2012 12:20 PM CST reply actions  

The reason he makes sense (and now I realize I forgot to write it)

Is because he’s young enough to get a super long, cap-circumventing deal. So that may, just may, help the Wings out.

by eight_legged_freaks on Feb 17, 2012 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

If the Wings didn't have to give up a Fillpula/Smith/Jurco/Nyquist/etc

to get Nash. If they could get him without destroying their depth and farm system, I’d do it in a heartbeat. A 7.8M cap hit is huge…but he put up some real good numbers on a crap team. Give him a real play making center like Datsyuk and Nash wins the Hart. I’d bet Smith’s career on it.

Brendan Smith fan

by JeffHancock41 on Feb 17, 2012 12:53 PM CST reply actions  

im not pushing for a Nash trade, but...

I don’t think it’s fair to compare Nash’s numbers with Parise’s. They’re coming from pretty different situations.

Also, I don’t see that acquiring a big name forward(whoever it ends up being) will effect our ability to chase Weber/Suter. When TPH rides off into the sunset, a sizable chunk of Cap space opens. Combine that with the other guys we might lose or resign under similar terms(Stuart, Homer, Bert, Happy), and I think we could be looking at a VERY interesting summer. Dare I say, it will remind us of the Summer of Ken?

Goalies are enforcers too.
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by AppState on Feb 17, 2012 1:25 PM CST reply actions  

I just took a look at the standings

And man, there’s a really good chance that this is the worst trade deadline ever. Really, only Columbus and Edmonton (barely) are truly out of the playoff race. Every other team is like, 10 points back or less of eighth.

When there’s still that chance to make the playoffs, who the hell is going to sell off assets.

by eight_legged_freaks on Feb 17, 2012 1:51 PM CST reply actions  

Tampa, Dallas and Montreal so far

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by traylor1 on Feb 17, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions  

in reality, what about brad boyes

4mil cap hit only for this year, had a pretty good year last year but hasnt been the same this year, has some grit, was a 40 goal score at one point in his career, only 29, probably wouldnt take a lot to get him.

would look really good on the third line with helm and miller

by jonathan.onne on Feb 17, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

buckets is injured, when he comes back miller to the fourth line...

think adding boyes to third and miller to fourth line is a better improvement than adding gaustad or moen to fourth line

by jonathan.onne on Feb 17, 2012 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

It took me a second, but....

BOOOOOO

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by AppState on Feb 17, 2012 5:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Banned.

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by SonicSpeed on Feb 17, 2012 11:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Definitely a no from me on that one

Boyes is pretty much done being a significant goal scorer in this league. I believe its been nearly 6 years since he’s even had 30 goals, much less 40.

If we’re looking to get a secondary scorer from Buffalo, I’d go for Stafford (assuming he’s available). Still a right-hand shot and only one season removed from a 30-goal campaign. He might cost a bit more to get, but it would pay off much better than Boyes.

That being said, I still think that Gaustad will be the only Sabre the Wings go for, unless Regier goes insane and gives us Roy for a pittance.

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by Chozo on Feb 17, 2012 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Paul Gaustad

would be a great addition to the 4th line. I love what Emmerton has done this season. I think he has a future with the Red Wings, but I want a face off winner on that fourth line with more toughness than finesse.

Travis Moen doesn’t fit that mold because he’s not a C. He plays the wing and we already have 4th line grinders for W. We need the strength up the middle. He’s a veteran, controls the puck, blocks shots, plays defense, and is relatively inexpensive.

I just don’t see the point in chasing Ruutu, Boyes, or Drew Stafford. Even Derek Roy is a stretch because he’s not someone who you’d place on the 4th line. If for some strange reason we picked up Roy, would you move Helm to the 4th? No. He’s playing great on the 3rd and really developing his skill game. Gaustad is the perfect fit. Kills penalties, has size. No reason to look elsewhere.

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by styks on Feb 17, 2012 10:19 PM CST reply actions  

gaustad is really tough and great on the draw. would be a great pickup

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by GOLDIGGAH on Feb 19, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

If Nash was on a team with any talent at all, he'd have better stats.

Also, his point totals are lower because he never really gets many assists. No one worth passing to.

by dewman8810 on Feb 18, 2012 12:10 PM CST reply actions  

“a young gaol scorer”

Is this a British fellow who gets a lot of action in prison?

by voline on Feb 18, 2012 11:27 PM CST reply actions  

I Like Parise.

I also like acquiring him through unrestricted free agency. No need to give up prospects or take a bad contract negotiated by some bonehead GM (see Nash, Rick).

by voline on Feb 18, 2012 11:40 PM CST reply actions  

Over at Kukla's, they are saying the BJs want a no. 1 goalie plus two NHLers, with one being a good D man

If that’s the hard line on what they want, it pretty much rules us out. He’ll probably end up in NY, BOS, or VAN, if I had to guess with my limited knowledge of other teams.

Goalies are enforcers too.
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by AppState on Feb 19, 2012 8:26 AM CST reply actions  

Do you think

A. - The Blues give up Jaroslav Halak on the gamble that Brian Elliott really is the real deal?

OR

B. - The Blue Jackets accept Elliott because they’re fooled into thinking he can play as well behind their shit team.

No idea who else the Blues would send (Ian Cole and Chris Stewart, plus a 1st-round pick is my guess), but Nash in St. Louis is kind of scary.

by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 19, 2012 9:26 AM CST up reply actions  

I thought briefly about St. Louis

But I wrote them off only because they’re in the Central.

Someone I just thought of though. What about Anaheim? Tons of movable pieces.

Goalies are enforcers too.
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by AppState on Feb 19, 2012 9:50 AM CST up reply actions  

They don’t really have a moveable goalie though.

I think I’d hate Nash anywhere in the West.

by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 19, 2012 9:55 AM CST up reply actions  

Also, I suppose it's silly or blashpemous to say

but Mac can’t play his stock up that high, can he?

Goalies are enforcers too.
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by AppState on Feb 19, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think he can

but who knows? The guy has been amazing for us lately.

by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 19, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong; I love me some Joey Mac, but...

He’s 32 years old, and even including this year, he’s 29-45 with a .904 save% and 3.05 goals against average. Number one goalie he is not, and will never be. Not on a Stanley Cup winning team, at least.

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by Scott Kenny on Feb 20, 2012 2:00 AM CST up reply actions  

No one has ever assumed he would be. He went undrafted and the only reason he has lasted this long in the league is Holland’s patience. He’s a career backup at best, but that’s not a bad thing. Just look at Conklin or Legace who have carved out decent careers as backups.

We could always have a backup on a massive 15 year contract who is more fragile than Gaborik, if you prefer

by Apocalyptic0n3 on Feb 20, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions  

I’m not putting down what he’s done; he’s been great in his role and like I said I love him, but trying to liken his value to Halak is a bit of a reach.

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by Scott Kenny on Feb 20, 2012 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Buffalo could also swing a deal centered around Enroth

by Apocalyptic0n3 on Feb 19, 2012 10:35 AM CST up reply actions  

True

I wonder what else they’d include in that deal? I think they’d have to drop about $3.8M additional dollars. Roy and Enroth with a pick?

by J.J. from Kansas on Feb 19, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions  

I talked to a friend of mine who's a BUF fan about them trading Roy to DET

He had no problem with it at all, they’re down on Roy in BUF. I wonder if GMs are looking at him the same way

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by AppState on Feb 19, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Definitely. I’m pretty sure I remember an article from at least a month or two ago about the trade prospects for Buffalo and their players, and Roy just isn’t generating much interest around the league.

One of the few guys I am looking at on Buffalo is Andrej Sekera, if he’s available.

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by Scott Kenny on Feb 20, 2012 2:01 AM CST up reply actions  

I’m sure they’d offer Leino (and his lounge) too

by Apocalyptic0n3 on Feb 19, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't count out LA

Bernier, along with Columbus’ choice of a forward and defenseman (can’t really decide which forward they would want, since almost all of LA’s guys are having terrible years) plus most likely a pick or two could get it done. They direly need some scoring in LA and I won’t at all be surprised if they end up getting Nash.

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by Scott Kenny on Feb 20, 2012 2:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Jack Johnson has reportedly fallen out of favor with the coaching staff. Johnson and Bernier may be the best Columbus can do for Nash unless Vancouver offers Schneider and Malhotra or Raymond or something

by Apocalyptic0n3 on Feb 20, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

nash would give the wings the size they need to win the cup and giveing up 3youg player s in the wings fram team would be ok of adeal to macke for acup win this year .as longas the wings keep thier young deffensivemen that our on the roster this year in the nhl .also the wings could lose 2top defsivemen next year so cap space will not be a proleam .

by kwfords on Feb 20, 2012 1:00 PM CST reply actions  

I can't remember
expect old Kenny Holland to be aggressive in trading for Parise’s rights

Has Holland ever traded for the rights to negotiate with a player? That doesn’t really seem like his style…

by Big Z in Orlando on Feb 20, 2012 3:37 PM CST reply actions  

There's a first time for everything.

I think it used to happen before, but for very little. Now, because of how aggressive the CBA forces teams to be, rights are being traded for more than usual (Dan Hamuis (for good reason), Christian Erhoff and James Wisniewski (embarassingly)) so if Holland really wants Parise, it would be smart business to trade for the rights.

Just grants you a little extra time to invite him to the facilities, and really sell the team.

by eight_legged_freaks on Feb 20, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I don’t think it was possible pre-lockout and we haven’t had money to spend on free agents post-lockout until now

by Apocalyptic0n3 on Feb 20, 2012 5:33 PM CST up reply actions  

It was possible it just rarely happened.

In 2002, Ed Belfour’s rights were traded to the Nashville Predators for David Gosselin and a 5th Round Pick. Of course, he ended up in Toronto.

Same year, Curtis Joseph’s rights were traded to the Calgary Flames for an 8th round selection. Of course, he became a Red Wing soon after.

by eight_legged_freaks on Feb 20, 2012 6:04 PM CST up reply actions  

What kind of cap hit is expected for Parise ballpark?

If it’s going to be retarded high, and we are expecting to sign Suter, isn’t there a chance it just wouldn’t be worth trading for his rights?*

Granted, if TPH retires, it immediately becomes a non issue, IMO.

Goalies are enforcers too.
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by AppState on Feb 20, 2012 6:24 PM CST reply actions  

A 10 year, $52 million

That puts him at the exact same level as Marian Hossa, who I would say is pretty comparable.

by eight_legged_freaks on Feb 20, 2012 7:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Not so sure if he wants a deal that long

I’d say 6 years, $39 million.

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by Scott Kenny on Feb 20, 2012 9:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I'll sign that.

Less than Datsyuk, not going to eat our cap. Should Lidstrom come back next year, and then retire the year after, we’ll still have at least 6 in cap space to possibly sign Weber.

I’d do it.

by eight_legged_freaks on Feb 20, 2012 10:43 PM CST up reply actions  

It also depends on what Stuart does

It could well be that Stuart chooses to leave, but Lidstrom stays. If that happens, it’d be possible to sign both Suter and Parise, but we’d have to part ways with some players. Hudler would definitely be gone, as Parise would basically be an upgrade for his spot on the roster, and we’d need to part ways with a couple other guys, either through trade or simply not re-signing them. Fortunately, with Smith and Nyquist waiting in the wings, we can replace spots cheaply. And we’d want to limit at least one of their cap hits with a long term deal.

by Seth9 on Feb 21, 2012 2:20 AM CST up reply actions  

How would everyone feel about Chad LaRose from Carolina?

Not a real big guy, but he’s good on the PK, has enough of a scoring touch, and lots of playoff experience.(pretty sure he was on the Cup team for the Canes)

Only a 1.7m cap hit, and his contract goes through next year. Shoots righty, though I don’t think it’d matter, since I don’t see him as a PP guy.

Might not fit the mold of what we’re looking for, but it was a thought.

Goalies are enforcers too.
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by AppState on Feb 21, 2012 9:45 AM CST reply actions  

We've already got our "Chad LaRose"

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by Scott Kenny on Feb 21, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Teemu Selanne?

Add depth at wing.

Detroit native deep in the heart of Texas.

by Joe Bagazinski on Feb 21, 2012 1:29 PM CST reply actions  

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