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Listen to Fer Sure - Episode 28: Craig Custance and Max Bultman

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The empty space where the Winged Wheel used to be
Jay Tuohey (@TheRoar_24)

You’re in for a treat because today’s special episode of Fer Sure was recorded in the locker room of Joe Louis Arena (Peter was in Fer Sure NJ studios) with guests Craig Custance and Max Bultman from The Athletic Detroit!

Here’s what Peter and Jay have for you this time (all time locations are without the opening ad):

Guest Intro : (00:00 - 06:30) Jay and our guests set the scene for our temporary recording studio.

HHOF and Jersey Retirements: (06:30 - 24:45) The Hall of Fame class and the chances for recently former Red Wings to make it in the future. Then Jay asks about jersey retirements, but not for the players you think.

Crosschecks with Guests!: (24:45 - 38:47) Jay asks Craig and Max for their quick-fire thoughts on a few topics in the NHL, and we learn they have a different definition of “quick-fire.” Then, Peter asks each of our guests a question.

Tales From the Locker Room (38:47 - 57:43) Since we had access to an incredible temporary studio, it would have been a travesty not to talk about the locker room in general and this locker room specifically.

Mailbag: (57:43 - 1:05:05) We only had time to ask maybe two questions, and there was no following the first question, so we just asked one. But we think you’ll like it.

Production Line 3?: (1:05:05 - 1:17:41 ) We take a look back at the Production Line, decide whether or not there was a Production Line 3, and discuss if another line should be the next Production Line.

Say Goodbye (Again) to The Joe: (1:17:41 - End) We close with our memories of the arena and then close out the show. Make sure to listen to the outro for a special remix of the theme song.


If you are using a podcast app, you can find both this podcast and WIIM Radio (our podcast devoted to the Red Wings) in the same channel - Winging it in Motown. It doesn’t seem to be showing up in Google Play, but an app like Stitcher should work if you use an Android device for your podcast listening.

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